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Nearly 4000 complain to Ofcom over Dannii remark!
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Green Goddess
14-10-2009
Originally Posted by Alexos:
“In my opinion the bigger problem is that people think sexuality needs to be hidden from younger people or that they will be unable to understand. A huge number of songs listened to by minors are sung by a man about a woman or visa versa, which I'm sure they can understand, and I think the earlier children are introduced to issues such as homosexuality, the sooner they will stop being such taboos.”

I am not sure at what age you think children should be taught about that type of thing, maybe you would like to say how old, you said the younger the better? and did I say it was taboo, I just said imagine having to explain it, not that I would not... there is a difference. My kids have all know about all types of sexuality and from an age I considered appropriate.. not one fiested on me by some TV show!
marianner
14-10-2009
Originally Posted by wolfpaw:
“That's got nothing to do with it. The fact is that Minogue's comment sounded like a personal attack, whether it was meant to be so or not.”

in what way did she attack him?
grimtales1
14-10-2009
At the time, maybe it did. But she has since explained and cleared the air and it was anything but an attack.
wolfpaw
14-10-2009
Originally Posted by marianner:
“in what way did she attack him?”

It sounded sneaky and sly and a lame attempt to hobble one of the favourites.
Viridiana
14-10-2009
Originally Posted by wolfpaw:
“I said it was irrevelant, inappropriate, ill-mannered and said in a tone that implied it was some sort of slur.”

And...? Just because of that? Fair enough at least you are saying what you are feeling.I just think it's quite interesting that someone complains to ofcom about something that is common everywhere on TV and in everyday life. But what exactly did she said that you felt it was implying some sort of slur?
In my view I actually thought she was defending gays against Simon's need of hiding his sexuality.
jojo2008
14-10-2009
People will still be going on about this next year lol
researchshirley
14-10-2009
Originally Posted by Green Goddess:
“And your alluding to half OUT is not homophobic then!

I had no idea about Danyl as I have repeated at least twice, I only knew I like the guys first interview, hoped he got through which he did, loved his 1st live performance, his sexuality matters not a jot to me, it is his voice I am interested in, she did not refer to him as GAY did she? if she had said well we all know you are gay why not leave the words as they were orginally maybe people would have been shocked but not half as shocked as half cocked inuendos that people do not understand at all as it was some "in joke" so for me she was insinuating he was gay... now do you get the point... as for me I knew nothing so he could have been straight for all I knew, and GAY is not what has been said anyway according to what I have read, he is bi-sexual, so he could have sung it to a male or female then in my book!! so why make the comment!”

I had to read that a couple of times to understand what you were saying but anybody with a modicum of intelligence would have known what she was referring to. And my point remains, that viewing what she said as an insult is short-sighted at best and homophobic at worst.
Viridiana
14-10-2009
Originally Posted by Green Goddess:
“I am not sure at what age you think children should be taught about that type of thing, maybe you would like to say how old, you said the younger the better? and did I say it was taboo, I just said imagine having to explain it, not that I would not... there is a difference. My kids have all know about all types of sexuality and from an age I considered appropriate.. not one fiested on me by some TV show!”

You have got to be kidding, I would report you to Ofcom for that. What about children that are born in this families? Are they too young to know about stuff? Would would forbid your young kids to visit his friends if their parents were gay. I have a lot of gay friends, i grew up knowing a lot of gay people. There is nothing to explain, my parents never explained, they were just another couple. And my children since they were babies know that that those people love each other the same way mom and dad. It's normal. They can kiss, hold hands exactly like mother and father. there is no appropriate age to know, people show grow knowing this things...
Cake_Nibbler
14-10-2009
And honestly a lot of the people aren't even actually offended. Some people ''complain'' not of outrage but out of spite. I have seen people doing this just because they dislike Dannii. In fact I suspect that many people who complained couldn't care less about the actual comment.
researchshirley
14-10-2009
Originally Posted by Viridiana:
“You have got to be kidding, I would report you to Ofcom for that. What about children that are born in this families? Are they too young to know about stuff? Would would forbid your young kids to visit his friends if their parents were gay. I have a lot of gay friends, i grew up knowing a lot of gay people. There is nothing to explain, my parents never explained, they were just another couple. And my children since they were babies know that that those people love each other the same way mom and dad. It's normal. They can kiss, hold hands exactly like mother and father. there is no appropriate age to know, people show grow knowing this things...”

I completely agree. Anyone who considers there to be an "inappropriate" age for children to know that gay people exist is homophobic, plain and simple. It's the worst kind of reactionary, bigoted attitude that holds this society back and causes untold misery for young people growing up gay. Not to mention the fact that it perpetuates a belief that gay people are not equal or valid.
carolineglasgow
14-10-2009
Originally Posted by Agent F:
“Oh for goodness sake...



http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/home/c...006830.article

I hope it doesn't. That's pathetic. These people need to get a grip and stop crying to Ofcom at every flamin' opportunity. It might seem like a good idea at the time but it just ends up giving people an unnecessarily hard time and Dannii Mingoue is the last person who deserves that.

I really hope the shit doesn't hit the fan after this.”

Couldn't agree more! And all this completely misplaced finger-pointing does is detract from the damage caused by the real homophobes and other assorted fascists spouting their stuff.
xenosys
14-10-2009
I suspect the vast majority of these complaints have been made because they haven't or choose not to research why the remark was made in the first place.

Sure, it was unnecessary and judges should remain focused on the performance, but I'm pretty a lot of people thought that Dannii had just outed the guy on national TV. Initially, I thought she had been questioning the guy's sexuality with nothing but conjecture and rumour to back up the comment, but it seems a lot more was known about Danyl's sexuality long before Danyl-Gate.
urt31
14-10-2009
Great, so all this proves is that there are 4,000 people around who have no idea as to the role of OFCOM.
Alexos
14-10-2009
Originally Posted by wolfpaw:
“That's got nothing to do with it. The fact is that Minogue's comment sounded like a personal attack, whether it was meant to be so or not.”

To you, it sounded like a personal attack. To many others, including myself, it did not. Besides, it has got something to do with it because there are various reasons why people were offended by the comment.

Originally Posted by Green Goddess:
“I am not sure at what age you think children should be taught about that type of thing, maybe you would like to say how old, you said the younger the better? and did I say it was taboo, I just said imagine having to explain it, not that I would not... there is a difference. My kids have all know about all types of sexuality and from an age I considered appropriate.. not one fiested on me by some TV show!”

I think people imagine it would be difficult to explain to children, but I think a large proportion of seven to eight year olds would be able to understand what homosexuality is without involving details about sex. If Danni's comment does spark discussion between parents and children then I can only see that as being a good thing. I think this is the only way that homosexuality will stop being seen as a post-watershed issue. Of course parents should be able to teach their children about these issues when they consider appropriate, but in my opinion non-discussion does so much more harm.
Green Goddess
14-10-2009
Originally Posted by Viridiana:
“You have got to be kidding, I would report you to Ofcom for that. What about children that are born in this families? Are they too young to know about stuff? Would would forbid your young kids to visit his friends if their parents were gay. I have a lot of gay friends, i grew up knowing a lot of gay people. There is nothing to explain, my parents never explained, they were just another couple. And my children since they were babies know that that those people love each other the same way mom and dad. It's normal. They can kiss, hold hands exactly like mother and father. there is no appropriate age to know, people show grow knowing this things...”

I get what you are saying, and you have slightly mis read me, my kids have always known, my best friend is gay and lives just down the road, so all three have known and it never had to be explained

Sadly you know there are parents out there that know no such people, and have kids they have to explain these things to, I simply asked the poster what he considered a suitable age, and for me it should come from parents if possible, not school, where sniggering goes on in such lessons.. and I know that first hand! and certainly not from TV show judge making some "mucky" comment which is what it seemed at the time, enough to make people complain.

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“I had to read that a couple of times to understand what you were saying but anybody with a modicum of intelligence would have known what she was referring to. And my point remains, that viewing what she said as an insult is short-sighted at best and homophobic at worst”

It would also be a dreadful slur would it not if the guy was not bi-sexual or gay, as much as it is an insult I would think to call a gay person straight! You miss my point again, I had no idea that Danyl had "half come out" as you put it, which I find a bit of a slur and homophobic, why only HALF whats the other half doing??? or are you insinuating he is saying he is bi-sexual and lying about it...

I like a few others thought Dannii was saying things that were nasty, untrue and to get him out the show.... thats the final line of it, maybe that clears up my thinking for you. I thought the guy was straight the fact he is not makes no difference to me as he will still be getting my vote each week.
Snozzcumber
14-10-2009
Originally Posted by D4nth3m4n:
“"Im not ashamed"

Are people complaining because they think Danni insulted/outed Danyl or because she said he should be able to sing the song without changing the gender reference..?”

Thanks (and to everyone else who replied).

Personally, I think if Simon's reaction hadn't been so hostile with the "What?? What did you say?" questions it wouldn't have felt so awkward. If he'd laughed and scoffed, this wouldn't have been an issue.
Agent F
14-10-2009
Originally Posted by Snozzcumber:
“Thanks (and to everyone else who replied).

Personally, I think if Simon's reaction hadn't been so hostile with the "What?? What did you say?" questions it wouldn't have felt so awkward. If he'd laughed and scoffed, this wouldn't have been an issue.”

I agree. If people had laughed it off it wouldn't even be an issue.
wolfpaw
14-10-2009
Originally Posted by Agent F:
“I agree. If people had laughed it off it wouldn't even be an issue.”

No-one did laugh though, as it wasn't funny...
Pop_Art
14-10-2009
These people need a life of some sort.
Green Goddess
14-10-2009
Originally Posted by Snozzcumber:
“Thanks (and to everyone else who replied).

Personally, I think if Simon's reaction hadn't been so hostile with the "What?? What did you say?" questions it wouldn't have felt so awkward. If he'd laughed and scoffed, this wouldn't have been an issue.”


No I do not agree with you, it was already an issue, the audience reacted and Simon knew it, so he reacted, wisely or unwisely. You go and listen to what she says and how the audience react. And I reacted long before Simon did, and so did my son, he was like what did she just say, like me he thought she was being nasty and trying to make accusations, and not all of the GBP are gonna google it and see what it is all about... they just log on and google up ofcom instead.
jagged_death
14-10-2009
It's amazing isn't it that all those homophobes are complaining about homophobia. No wonder God chastised hetros more, they clearly need more attention paid to them.
marianner
14-10-2009
"I can say on Dannii's behalf that she is the last person in the world who would do anything offensive," he said. "I spoke to Danyl afterwards and he took it in the spirit... it was fun.
No offence was intended so I think we should get back to the show. It's over."

That's what Simon said on the result show.
cheekychopz
14-10-2009
Originally Posted by researchshirley:
“4000 idiots with no brains and nothing better to do.”

I agree. Seems far to easy to complain these days. I wonder if having to put pen to paper rather than text to emails they would bother with the extra time and effort it would involve. Thank God there isn't one of the coloured buttons on your remote you can press and it registers a complain each time something offends, they'd be nothing left to broadcast.
Release Me
14-10-2009
They have every time to complain because it was a disgusting comment to make, no need for her to make remarks regarding someone's sexuality. The British public have spoken so Simon do the honorable thing and replace her.
Margo Channing
14-10-2009
4000 sad morons with nothing better to do.
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