why on earth was zoe in the dance off!?
do people not like her? i thought she was super!
[and how on earth did craig go through?]
do people not like her? i thought she was super!
[and how on earth did craig go through?]
the dance off
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Laila and Craig should have been in the dance off. Craig should have gone. Mind you, the way Laila and Anton danced tonight, they hardly deserved to go through themselves.
I reckon lots of votes went to Laila and Zoe was assumed to be safe .
I actaully felt a bit sorry for Joe ; he had improved and was better than Craig certainly and also Jo.And at least he didn't forget steps or make it up .
I actaully felt a bit sorry for Joe ; he had improved and was better than Craig certainly and also Jo.And at least he didn't forget steps or make it up .
I really like Zoe and James, but I do think that Zoe's jive wasn't up to par tonight. That said, I don't think they deserved to be in the dance off, so she must be missing out on either the popularity factor, or the sympathy vote...
It could have been worse though - for an awful moment I thought it was going to be Zoe versus Laila in the dance off
It could have been worse though - for an awful moment I thought it was going to be Zoe versus Laila in the dance off
The British public have shown year in year out that they are totally unappreciative of those who dance well by voting in their droves for the worst performers. Why should we expect this year to be any different?
I was also mortified that Zoe and Laila could have been in dance off but luckily not...loved the colour of Zoe's outfit as well!!
People tend to vote for who they see as undermarked and shun those they consider overmarked to even out the leaderboard in their eyes. Zoe was one of the better dancers tonight, but a lot of people (myself included) thought that she was overmarked, which is going to put people off voting for her. People probably saw Craig at the bottom and thought that he was bad, but not the worst, so he got plenty of votes.
Originally Posted by Dr. Jan Itor:
“People tend to vote for who they see as undermarked and shun those they consider overmarked to even out the leaderboard in their eyes. Zoe was one of the better dancers tonight, but a lot of people (myself included) thought that she was overmarked, which is going to put people off voting for her. People probably saw Craig at the bottom and thought that he was bad, but not the worst, so he got plenty of votes.”
“People tend to vote for who they see as undermarked and shun those they consider overmarked to even out the leaderboard in their eyes. Zoe was one of the better dancers tonight, but a lot of people (myself included) thought that she was overmarked, which is going to put people off voting for her. People probably saw Craig at the bottom and thought that he was bad, but not the worst, so he got plenty of votes.”
Well, if you are going to shun those who are overmarked lets start with Craig and Joe on 19 and 20 I think it was - their performances were dreadful so they should have been getting more like 10 or 11. Unfortunately, some judges are so soft that they dish out 7's like smarties to all and sundry meaning that they only way they can distinguish the better dancers is to give them 8's and 9's and then everyone gets upset because there is a misconception that 9 means practically perfect!
Originally Posted by ianswaiting:
“Well, if you are going to shun those who are overmarked lets start with Craig and Joe on 19 and 20 I think it was - their performances were dreadful so they should have been getting more like 10 or 11. Unfortunately, some judges are so soft that they dish out 7's like smarties to all and sundry meaning that they only way they can distinguish the better dancers is to give them 8's and 9's and then everyone gets upset because there is a misconception that 9 means practically perfect!”
“Well, if you are going to shun those who are overmarked lets start with Craig and Joe on 19 and 20 I think it was - their performances were dreadful so they should have been getting more like 10 or 11. Unfortunately, some judges are so soft that they dish out 7's like smarties to all and sundry meaning that they only way they can distinguish the better dancers is to give them 8's and 9's and then everyone gets upset because there is a misconception that 9 means practically perfect!”
I agree that there should be a bigger range of marking, particularly at the lower end. However, I don't think that the public is voting on whether the actual number of marks given is wrong, but the order of the judge's leaderboard.
If we stick with Zoe and Craig as an example. Zoe was third with the judges but maybe people think she should have been around sixth, while Craig was bottom but maybe people thought he wasn't quite the worst and should have been around tenth. They thought that Zoe was better, but that she has already had more than she deserved and Craig less than he deserved, so they would rather vote for Craig as a vote for justice.
There are other reasons people vote for those at the bottom of the leaderboard, such as sympathy and annoying the judges, but I think perceived overmarking is a big factor in people's votes. Just look at how many people in this forum were put off Lisa last year, and to a lesser extent Rachel, because they thought they were being overmarked. Zoe seems to be following in their footsteps.
I don't think James is that popular either which doesn't help. I feel sorry for Zoe as she almost has to be doubly popular to make up for it! I've tried so hard to like him but I just can't.
Originally Posted by Dr. Jan Itor:
“I agree that there should be a bigger range of marking, particularly at the lower end. However, I don't think that the public is voting on whether the actual number of marks given is wrong, but the order of the judge's leaderboard.
If we stick with Zoe and Craig as an example. Zoe was third with the judges but maybe people think she should have been around sixth, while Craig was bottom but maybe people thought he wasn't quite the worst and should have been around tenth. They thought that Zoe was better, but that she has already had more than she deserved and Craig less than he deserved, so they would rather vote for Craig as a vote for justice.
There are other reasons people vote for those at the bottom of the leaderboard, such as sympathy and annoying the judges, but I think perceived overmarking is a big factor in people's votes. Just look at how many people in this forum were put off Lisa last year, and to a lesser extent Rachel, because they thought they were being overmarked. Zoe seems to be following in their footsteps.”
“I agree that there should be a bigger range of marking, particularly at the lower end. However, I don't think that the public is voting on whether the actual number of marks given is wrong, but the order of the judge's leaderboard.
If we stick with Zoe and Craig as an example. Zoe was third with the judges but maybe people think she should have been around sixth, while Craig was bottom but maybe people thought he wasn't quite the worst and should have been around tenth. They thought that Zoe was better, but that she has already had more than she deserved and Craig less than he deserved, so they would rather vote for Craig as a vote for justice.
There are other reasons people vote for those at the bottom of the leaderboard, such as sympathy and annoying the judges, but I think perceived overmarking is a big factor in people's votes. Just look at how many people in this forum were put off Lisa last year, and to a lesser extent Rachel, because they thought they were being overmarked. Zoe seems to be following in their footsteps.”
The trouble is that people tend to judge who is being 'overmarked' based on their own prejudices of who they want to win which is quite often for reasons that have nothing to do with dancing ability. The judges score the couples on dance performance so if their score is at odds with personal preference what they do will always be seen as overmarking. As a dancer myself it is blindingly obvious to me that Zoe's performance was the 3rd best of the night so I can say with confidence that she wasn't overmarked but I am in the same position as the judges in that it will be impossible to convince anyone who disagrees otherwise.
Originally Posted by arddunol:
“I reckon lots of votes went to Laila and Zoe was assumed to be safe .
I actually felt a bit sorry for Joe ; he had improved and was better than Craig certainly and also Jo.And at least he didn't forget steps or make it up .”
“I reckon lots of votes went to Laila and Zoe was assumed to be safe .
I actually felt a bit sorry for Joe ; he had improved and was better than Craig certainly and also Jo.And at least he didn't forget steps or make it up .”
oops
Unfortunately in my opinion,I think that Brendan and Jo got the sympathy vote for Craig's comment and Craig wanting to stay till Blackpool also got the sympathy vote.I don't think Zoe should have been there though laila should have been.Only plus point was that Joe was in the dance-off so 1 of the weaker dancer has gone 
Originally Posted by ianswaiting:
“The trouble is that people tend to judge who is being 'overmarked' based on their own prejudices of who they want to win which is quite often for reasons that have nothing to do with dancing ability. The judges score the couples on dance performance so if their score is at odds with personal preference what they do will always be seen as overmarking. As a dancer myself it is blindingly obvious to me that Zoe's performance was the 3rd best of the night so I can say with confidence that she wasn't overmarked but I am in the same position as the judges in that it will be impossible to convince anyone who disagrees otherwise.”
“The trouble is that people tend to judge who is being 'overmarked' based on their own prejudices of who they want to win which is quite often for reasons that have nothing to do with dancing ability. The judges score the couples on dance performance so if their score is at odds with personal preference what they do will always be seen as overmarking. As a dancer myself it is blindingly obvious to me that Zoe's performance was the 3rd best of the night so I can say with confidence that she wasn't overmarked but I am in the same position as the judges in that it will be impossible to convince anyone who disagrees otherwise.”
There's definitely some truth in what you say about people's prejudices colouring their view of who is overmarked, but not always, since dance is of course is very subjective. You can see this just in how often the judge's disagree with each other. I felt she was overmarked as I thought some of her kicks were quite poor, and I am certainly not anti-Zoe as two weeks ago I was on here arguing with those who said her Paso was overmarked. Don't worry though, my thinking she was overmarked didn't affect the way I vote because I never vote!
James is an unlikeable character and personally I dont warm much to Zoe either and perhaps a lot of the public feel the same.
Originally Posted by tumblesangel:
“Only plus point was that Joe was in the dance-off so 1 of the weaker dancer has gone”
“Only plus point was that Joe was in the dance-off so 1 of the weaker dancer has gone
”
I agree in that the end result, i.e. the elimination was the correct one.
Another plus point however, is that it will have hit home to the couples for sure that no one is safe so forget any complacency, guys
I like Zoe and James, but quite frankly I thought their jive was boring - too slow and lacked energy. The transitions were awful, with Zoe literally standing still waiting for the next move to start. I doubt if Zoe brought much of a fan base to SCD and that's why she ended up in the dance off so soon.
You have to remember - it's not about the dancing.
Once you discard that fallacious notion it's all quite clear.
Repeat - it's NOT about the dancing.
Once you discard that fallacious notion it's all quite clear.
Repeat - it's NOT about the dancing.
I haven't warmed to Zoe and James but I was very shocked that they were in the dance off. James scared me a bit, he looked furious.
Originally Posted by ESPIONdansant:
“You have to remember - it's not about the dancing.
Once you discard that fallacious notion it's all quite clear.
Repeat - it's NOT about the dancing.”
“You have to remember - it's not about the dancing.
Once you discard that fallacious notion it's all quite clear.
Repeat - it's NOT about the dancing.”
*slaps my head*
i forget!
Originally Posted by Weeping Angel:
“I haven't warmed to Zoe and James but I was very shocked that they were in the dance off. James scared me a bit, he looked furious.”
“I haven't warmed to Zoe and James but I was very shocked that they were in the dance off. James scared me a bit, he looked furious.
”
It worries me for Zoe's sake that James might say something stupid on It Takes Two this week about how they shouldn't have been in the dance off. It's not that he wouldn't be right, but it would just put more people off.
Originally Posted by Dr. Jan Itor:
“It worries me for Zoe's sake that James might say something stupid on It Takes Two this week about how they shouldn't have been in the dance off. It's not that he wouldn't be right, but it would just put more people off.”
“It worries me for Zoe's sake that James might say something stupid on It Takes Two this week about how they shouldn't have been in the dance off. It's not that he wouldn't be right, but it would just put more people off.”
I agree, especially when they are still in the competition. At least Darren had been voted out when he said he disagreed with being voted out. I like James and I hope he calms down before he goes on ITT.
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