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bruce -craig -brendon - fiasco
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Seymour
20-10-2009
I don't know what the famed two are trying to dance this week, but I am expecting them to score 7's across the board, and very little... but well thought out critique. The judges will not want Brendan having another strop and yet another chance to save him from the dance off .
sammyvine
20-10-2009
I agree that Bruce was wrong but remember when Craig said to Jo ''The best part was when you were standing still'' which was incredibly rude. Maybe Bruce has that on his mind at the time.
tonydancer
20-10-2009
Assuming that "the famed two" are Jo and Brendan, they've got samba this week. I for one don't expect four 7s, unless Jo suddenly discovers a mojo she never knew existed.

If it isn't a disarsedher, perhaps 25. If they're very lucky, 26. And if we're very lucky, they won't complain and beg enough to avoid the bottom two.
soulmate61
20-10-2009
Originally Posted by sammyvine:
“I agree that Bruce was wrong but remember when Craig said to Jo ''The best part was when you were standing still'' which was incredibly rude. Maybe Bruce has that on his mind at the time.”

Agreed. Craig had past form. Kangaroo was not the worst, but the acid tongue kept coming and coming. Brendan made a stand - so far and no further.

Craig calls his behaviour "being honest". His admirers could try imagine themselves dancing with an esteemed partner, trying their lifetime best, then personally walking towards Craig, who will oblige and cut them to ribbons for a laugh.
stevosowl
20-10-2009
Brendan did it for the publicity to keep his inferior dance partner in for another week
Tissy
20-10-2009
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“Agreed. Craig had past form. Kangaroo was not the worst, but the acid tongue kept coming and coming. Brendan made a stand - so far and no further.

Craig calls his behaviour "being honest". His admirers could try imagine themselves dancing with an esteemed partner, trying their lifetime best, then personally walking towards Craig, who will oblige and cut them to ribbons for a laugh. ”

Craig has been like this since he started - celebs going on SCD should know what to expect from him by now.

I`d put up with his comments for the fee Easy money for three months work and think of some of the opportunities some get after SCD has finished
MorganleFay
20-10-2009
Originally Posted by stevosowl:
“Brendan did it for the publicity to keep his inferior dance partner in for another week”


Yes, I think you're absolutely right and it seems to have worked. What's he going to do this Saturday? Flounce off straight away and not wait for anyone to 'upset' his partner.:yawn:
IvanIV
20-10-2009
Craig has a support of the Duchess of Cornwall now

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...l-Horwood.html
School of rock
20-10-2009
Brendan behaved impeccably on saturday. He could've had a shouting match with craig and possibly Bruno, but he didn't.
He walked off the dnacefloor, with his dignity intact. I respect him for that.
And... I'm on Brendan's side in this.
He has said that the judges are there to give constructive criticism and feedback, aswell as stuff they can work on for the following week. They are not there to make rude comments and belittle people. I believe Kristina has also complained about the judges. I see her point entirely. The judges have their faves (Ricky W, Natalie, Ali) and despise others (Jo, Joe C).
The judges need to be shaken up. Len, as head judge, should do better. Alesha, is getting better, but Craig and Bruno are dreadful. They need someone like Karen who has compassion and can reassure.
As for Bruce, yes his response looked 'staged', but he was right in sticking up for Brendan and Jo. Brendan has said he is protecting Jo, and he will walk again if he gets any more comments.

Brendan, I applaud you. At last, someone with sense. Brendan needs to be respected, not belittled.
millie3
20-10-2009
Originally Posted by School of rock:
“Brendan behaved impeccably on saturday. He could've had a shouting match with craig and possibly Bruno, but he didn't.
He walked off the dnacefloor, with his dignity intact. I respect him for that.
And... I'm on Brendan's side in this.
He has said that the judges are there to give constructive criticism and feedback, aswell as stuff they can work on for the following week. They are not there to make rude comments and belittle people. I believe Kristina has also complained about the judges. I see her point entirely. The judges have their faves (Ricky W, Natalie, Ali) and despise others (Jo, Joe C).
The judges need to be shaken up. Len, as head judge, should do better. Alesha, is getting better, but Craig and Bruno are dreadful. They need someone like Karen who has compassion and can reassure.
As for Bruce, yes his response looked 'staged', but he was right in sticking up for Brendan and Jo. Brendan has said he is protecting Jo, and he will walk again if he gets any more comments.

Brendan, I applaud you. At last, someone with sense. Brendan needs to be respected, not belittled.”

Lets hope so, right out of the studio and off our screens.
Justamo
20-10-2009
Originally Posted by stevosowl:
“Brendan did it for the publicity to keep his inferior dance partner in for another week”


I totally agree with you.

This year Brendan has found his "caring & supportive" role to be a winner. Expect more!!

So contrived, almost choreographed.
School of rock
20-10-2009
That isn't what I meant!! What I meant was... Brendan will walk again. Noone should have to stand there and recieve belittling comments just cause people who call themselves 'professionals' can't think of anything constructive!
I know what it's like to have people stand there and make belittling comments to you. It hurts. It makes you feel terrible.
Now you have two options:
1. You retaliate, knowing it could backfire and risk everything. In the end it gets you nowhere, and the other person (in this case Craig) gets what he wants. He's deliberately trying to wind up Brendan, knowing that he could get a reaction.
2. You walk away, thus not giving the other person he reaction he wanted. You leave with your dignity, and with respect. You take the grown up option. Act like an adult, and let the other person stew for a while. You know you've done the right thing.

Brendan opted to walk. He didn't give Craig the reaction he wanted, even though Craig was pressing all the wrong buttons.

In this situation, I'll defend Brendan forever and a day. He did the right thing, and he knows it. Craig's milking the incident for all it's worth.

Craig's acting like a little child. He needs to seriously grow up and learn just what it means to be called a bush kangaroo after giving everything in a dance which is known to be difficult.

I'm with Brendan all the way. And seriously.. I don't care. I don't care that you all think he's in the wrong. He took the sensible option. And yes. I will stick up for him.
millie3
20-10-2009
Originally Posted by School of rock:
“That isn't what I meant!! What I meant was... Brendan will walk again. Noone should have to stand there and recieve belittling comments just cause people who call themselves 'professionals' can't think of anything constructive!
I know what it's like to have people stand there and make belittling comments to you. It hurts. It makes you feel terrible.
Now you have two options:
1. You retaliate, knowing it could backfire and risk everything. In the end it gets you nowhere, and the other person (in this case Craig) gets what he wants. He's deliberately trying to wind up Brendan, knowing that he could get a reaction.
2. You walk away, thus not giving the other person he reaction he wanted. You leave with your dignity, and with respect. You take the grown up option. Act like an adult, and let the other person stew for a while. You know you've done the right thing.

Brendan opted to walk. He didn't give Craig the reaction he wanted, even though Craig was pressing all the wrong buttons.

In this situation, I'll defend Brendan forever and a day. He did the right thing, and he knows it. Craig's milking the incident for all it's worth.

Craig's acting like a little child. He needs to seriously grow up and learn just what it means to be called a bush kangaroo after giving everything in a dance which is known to be difficult.

I'm with Brendan all the way. And seriously.. I don't care. I don't care that you all think he's in the wrong. He took the sensible option. And yes. I will stick up for him.”

Unless you've led a very sheltered life I would imagine most people have been called worse than that! Brendan doesn't need anyone to belittle him - he does that all by himself. If he doesn't like the comments he can always leave the show. However, others are right when they say it's an act he puts on to gain more votes.
Paace
20-10-2009
Originally Posted by millie3:
“Unless you've led a very sheltered life I would imagine most people have been called worse than that! Brendan doesn't need anyone to belittle him - he does that all by himself. If he doesn't like the comments he can always leave the show. However, others are right when they say it's an act he puts on to gain more votes.”

I agree 100% millie. Brendan is just a trouble making hot head, who year after year has to have one of his major tantrums. He can never behave with decorum and dignity like the great pros of the show, Darren, Matthew, Ian, Lilia etc.

He made a mountain out of nothing aided and abetted by hypocrite Bruce. Saying someone danced like a grasshopper or kangeroo is a perfectly acceptable way to describe a fault in Jo's dancing. ITT made this point tonight .
MorganleFay
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by Paace:
“I agree 100% millie. Brendan is just a trouble making hot head, who year after year has to have one of his major tantrums. He can never behave with decorum and dignity like the great pros of the show, Darren, Matthew, Ian, Lilia etc.

He made a mountain out of nothing aided and abetted by hypocrite Bruce. Saying someone danced like a grasshopper or kangeroo is a perfectly acceptable way to describe a fault in Jo's dancing. ITT made this point tonight .”


I find his OTT defence of his partner irritating and it has put me off Jo. If she can't take criticism or banter she shouldn't be on the show. Her little girl act and the macho Brendan to the rescue act is becoming very boring. Bye Bye Brendan and Jo .... next to go, hopefully
Beximus
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by MorganleFay:
“I find his OTT defence of his partner irritating and it has put me off Jo. If she can't take criticism or banter she shouldn't be on the show. Her little girl act and the macho Brendan to the rescue act is becoming very boring. Bye Bye Brendan and Jo .... next to go, hopefully ”

Trouble with that, is that she didn't get a chance to take the criticism and banter - Brendon had whisked her off!

I like Jo, I think she's very sweet, and I generally like Brendon, but I think it was just a bit too far this time.
MorganleFay
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by Beximus:
“Trouble with that, is that she didn't get a chance to take the criticism and banter - Brendon had whisked her off!

I like Jo, I think she's very sweet, and I generally like Brendon, but I think it was just a bit too far this time.”

Fair point but I really hope he doesn't do it again on Saturday. Imagine if all the pro dancers got as 'protective' of their celebs and walked off before listening to the judges, it would be anarchy! Heavens to Murgatroyd we can't have that at the BBC
AlyssaArcher
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by MorganleFay:
“I find his OTT defence of his partner irritating and it has put me off Jo. If she can't take criticism or banter she shouldn't be on the show. Her little girl act and the macho Brendan to the rescue act is becoming very boring. Bye Bye Brendan and Jo .... next to go, hopefully ”

Jo shows no sign of being phased by the judge's comments and seems to take it all it good part. I'm sure in her time as a model, entrepreneur and rock chick she has had to cope with far worse.

Brendan has seen the "protective" role be a bit of a vote winner (so far), but I think it's about to backfire given the results of the poll on this forum for least liked couple.
Liz G-S
21-10-2009
The votes from a relatively small number of forum members isn't really significant. Brendan has always been pretty much a hate figure here. If they go out it will be because their dance is not liked or viewers feel it is time for a weak couple to leave.

I don't really understand why he is so disliked here. Amongst the other pros and many of the celebrities he is very well-liked and is one of the nicest in terms of thinking of others.
InigoMontoya
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by School of rock:
“He walked off the dnacefloor, with his dignity intact.”

What dignity is there is abjuring one's responsibilities? If Brendan had been accosted in a public place by some fan who reckons he or she knows more about dancing, I'd agree that it would be dignified to walk away. However, Brendan was the professional dancer in a partnership in competition whose job was to listen to the judgement of the judges.

I think the greatest offense that I take to Brendan's action is the way he sets the women's movement back a hundred years. Jo is presented, by him, as a weak, fragile flower who hasn't the brain or will to decide upon and fight, in her own way, her battles.

Originally Posted by School of rock:
“He has said that the judges are there to give constructive criticism and feedback, aswell as stuff they can work on for the following week.”

Since when does Brendan define the role of the judges? I suspect, somewhere private and between the various parties involved, there are guidelines about the role of the judges which incorporates their expertise about dance and the need to be entertaining. I'm quite sure that it does not include that they must only give. or give at all, "constructive criticism..." etc.

What it certainly should not include is any responsibility on their part to be supportive of or encourage the competitors. That job belongs to the professional dancers.

Originally Posted by School of rock:
“I believe Kristina has also complained about the judges. I see her point entirely.”

Unfortunately, when Kristina complained that Craig had said Joe showed improvement and yet gave him the same score, she was dead wrong. Craig had given a point less the week before, not the same score.

Kristina also implied that the dancers who forgot their routines (by which I assume she means Laila and Chris) got much higher scores. Again, the facts do not bear her out.

I'd rather hope that we in the audience would pay rather more attention to facts than someone having an emotional and unprofessional outburst of barely-concealed bitterness.

Originally Posted by School of rock:
“Brendan needs to be respected, not belittled.”

I have respected Brendan in the past and no doubt will do so in the future, when he does something worthy of respect. This was not it. Nor was his attitude on Monday where he implied that only those who disliked him already disapproved of his drama queen routine on Saturday night. His own actions belittle Brendan, not comments criticising his behaviour.
musicangel
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by School of rock:
“Brendan behaved impeccably on saturday. He could've had a shouting match with craig and possibly Bruno, but he didn't.
He walked off the dnacefloor, with his dignity intact. I respect him for that.
And... I'm on Brendan's side in this.
He has said that the judges are there to give constructive criticism and feedback, aswell as stuff they can work on for the following week. They are not there to make rude comments and belittle people. I believe Kristina has also complained about the judges. I see her point entirely. The judges have their faves (Ricky W, Natalie, Ali) and despise others (Jo, Joe C).
The judges need to be shaken up. Len, as head judge, should do better. Alesha, is getting better, but Craig and Bruno are dreadful. They need someone like Karen who has compassion and can reassure.
As for Bruce, yes his response looked 'staged', but he was right in sticking up for Brendan and Jo. Brendan has said he is protecting Jo, and he will walk again if he gets any more comments.

Brendan, I applaud you. At last, someone with sense. Brendan needs to be respected, not belittled.”

Brilliantly Put!!
School of rock
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by millie3:
“Unless you've led a very sheltered life I would imagine most people have been called worse than that! Brendan doesn't need anyone to belittle him - he does that all by himself. If he doesn't like the comments he can always leave the show. However, others are right when they say it's an act he puts on to gain more votes.”

Sheltered?? You think I live a sheltered life? hm... lets see. Most of you seem to be so dead against Brendan.

From what I've read, I've come to my own conclusion.

I'm living in the real world. I know how cruel people can be, even if they didn't mean too.
Brendan may have found Craig's comment hurtful. He's tried in the past to retaliate, and has got him nowhere.

Honestly. Some people need to live in the real world. SCD is something these celebs are doing for experience.

A lot of you seem to have forgotten that.

Jo signed up for a dancing competition. Not to be insulted, put down and belittled by two grown men who should know better.
Jo and Brendan are doing this for experience, and fun. A lot of you have posted belittling comments on here. Unless you actually speak to Brendan, or have had belittling comments made towards you, now matter what was said, I suggest you seriously think about what you say in future posts.
InigoMontoya
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by School of rock:
“Most of you seem to be so dead against Brendan.”

Can you accept that a person does not have to be "dead against" Brendan to think that he was in the wrong on Saturday night or must we all be fervant Brendan-haters without any free will to form opinions?
MorganleFay
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by School of rock:
“Sheltered?? You think I live a sheltered life? hm... lets see. Most of you seem to be so dead against Brendan.

From what I've read, I've come to my own conclusion.

I'm living in the real world. I know how cruel people can be, even if they didn't mean too.
Brendan may have found Craig's comment hurtful. He's tried in the past to retaliate, and has got him nowhere.

Honestly. Some people need to live in the real world. SCD is something these celebs are doing for experience.

A lot of you seem to have forgotten that.

Jo signed up for a dancing competition. Not to be insulted, put down and belittled by two grown men who should know better.
Jo and Brendan are doing this for experience, and fun. A lot of you have posted belittling comments on here. Unless you actually speak to Brendan, or have had belittling comments made towards you, now matter what was said, I suggest you seriously think about what you say in future posts.”

Poor 'ickle,vulnerable Brendan.

Jo is doing it to raise her profile as are all the celebs and Brendan is doing it for money and because its his job and also to raise his profile as are all the pro dancers. I think the phrase I'm looking for here is 'laughing all the way to the bank'. If Brendan decides that its all getting too hurtful then I'm sure there is another pro-dancer just waiting in the wings...... probably a long queue of them.

An even more cynical view would, of course, be that the whole thing has been stage-managed by the Beeb to get people talking about the show and tuning in to boost their ratings.
CaroUK
23-10-2009
I have been in many competitions in various field for most of my life, and been judged by many judges during that time.

I can honestly say that in all those competitions NOT ONE judge has ever made any personal, rude or really nasty comments when giving feedback on my work/ performance/ whatever.

Their comments have not always been nice or kind, but they were always given in a constructive way, designed to point out where I had gone wrong and suggestions for what I could do to improve for the next time.

Craig has always been the King of the put downs on SCD. He genuinely seems to enjoy saying something scathing which is nearly always unnecessary. Yes he does quite often make good suggestions at the end of his critiques, but only after he has ripped the contestant apart and spat out the pieces for the pro to rebuild before they can get any real work done for the next week.

He might have the hide of a rhinoceros (to use his beloved animal allegory) and be happy to stand there and take the sort of comment he dishes out - but not everybody can. Let's face it - he has shown in his reactions to criticisms made about himself over the series that he doesn't like it when people answer back or stand up to him.

I can't stand Brendan, but I actually admired him for walking away and depriving Craig of the opportunity to make any more acid comments about Jo. I just wish more of the pro dancers would do the same, and maybe he would think more about the WAY he makes his comments.

Didn't Matthew Cutler answer back in defence of Carol Smillie one week?? And Anton with Kate??
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