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Old 19-10-2009, 17:38
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The audience is lukewarm to her, the judges hardly talk about her and Simon does not seem too enthused. Do you think she will make the final 5. i dont think so.

More than her singing, it appears her character and personality is dull and uninteresting. she has the good looks and initially looked vulnerable and interesting with a youthful face full of freckles. The makeup to cover her freckles, whiten her teeth and the frumpy dress do her no favours.

the twins at this rate will outlast her.
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Old 19-10-2009, 17:40
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The audience is lukewarm to her, the judges hardly talk about her and Simon does not seem too enthused. Do you think she will make the final 5. i dont think so.

More than her singing, it appears her character and personality is dull and uninteresting. she has the good looks and initially looked vulnerable and interesting with a youthful face full of freckles. The makeup to cover her freckles, whiten her teeth and the frumpy dress do her no favours.

the twins at this rate will outlast her.
To be fair, there isn't much chance for them to show personality in the 10 seconds after they have sung. She is actually pretty lively. Check out vids of her on the official X Factor site. Same goes for the rest of them.
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Old 19-10-2009, 17:42
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The audience is lukewarm to her, the judges hardly talk about her and Simon does not seem too enthused. Do you think she will make the final 5. i dont think so.

More than her singing, it appears her character and personality is dull and uninteresting. she has the good looks and initially looked vulnerable and interesting with a youthful face full of freckles. The makeup to cover her freckles, whiten her teeth and the frumpy dress do her no favours.

the twins at this rate will outlast her.
I have to agree.

Watching Lucie always leaves me totally underwhelmed. She can sing but there is definitely something lacking in her performance. She has a pleasant personality but she is a bit too bland

She might have done better to have waited a year or two before auditioning for the show as, in my opinion anyway, she has a long way to go to become the finished article.
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Old 19-10-2009, 17:50
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She's looking pretty hot, but she's not a diva and her first 2 performances have been along that line. Worryingly, Dannii seems to think she is a diva and she quite clearly lacks the power or range to compete at that level. She needs something a bit more simple that can show off the tone and clarity in her voice. Diana Vickers did pretty well last year (until the laryngitis fiasco) without having to go down the diva route and I don't think anyone wants another big belting diva this year. So it doesn't make sense to push her down that road.
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Old 19-10-2009, 17:52
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Her live performances so far have not been of the highest quality

She has no real power at the top of her voice, in fact most of the voice is rather underpowered. This could be a question of sound balance - but I think she is still developing and hasn't yet mastered her entire range

Her lyrics have been somewhat unclear and her stage energy is not consistent

She is not a winner
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Old 19-10-2009, 17:52
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My sister saw her last night and said "She's not going to shoot to stardom anyday soon." I agree.
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Old 19-10-2009, 17:52
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I think the public quite like her though, well a lot of people I know do anyway.
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Old 19-10-2009, 17:55
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I think the public quite like her though, well a lot of people I know do anyway.
The public may indeed like her. But if she is in the bottom 2 then Simon and Luis will conspire to get rid of her over any other act. So her days are truly numbered and the first time she is in the bottom 2, she will be gone. mark my words.
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Old 19-10-2009, 18:04
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Maybe I'm being biased but I still believe she can go far, yes, that includes the final, as she hasn't peaked yet. Ok, so she hasn't been wonderful so far but with the right song, hopefully this week, she can blow everyone away and show herself to be a serious contender.
Saying her days are numbered cause of two performances is a bit much imo. But as I said I could be biased as she's my favourite. Btw I don't think her dresses have been frumpy at all and she's looked stunning.
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Old 19-10-2009, 18:06
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I think she's brilliant but it's not as though she's being pushed by Simon at all. For a start they had her on first this week, then they don't give her something that suits her voice again. It's a lot more about they boys this year, which I suppose is OK after last year's being mainly about the girls (Alexandra, Diana, Ruth, Laura etc.).
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Old 19-10-2009, 18:23
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She needs something a bit more simple that can show off the tone and clarity in her voice. Diana Vickers did pretty well last year (until the laryngitis fiasco) without having to go down the diva route and I don't think anyone wants another big belting diva this year. So it doesn't make sense to push her down that road.
Dannii really doesn't seem to have a clue how to present her either vocally or as a performer in general and Simon is talking out his backside...

It just shows how limited the imagination is on this show - if they are female and anything other than a carbon copy of Leona they are basically stuffed. We saw exactly the same thing with Ruth last year

She could be brilliant with the right song choices but it probably doesn't fit this years master plan!
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Old 19-10-2009, 18:41
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This really comes down to Dannii and the songs she's giving to Lucie. She's giving a teenager songs that were famous in the 80's when she should be making her "current". Just look back at boot camp when she sang Hurt by Christina Aguilera, that was hands down her best performance to date. It's simple, she'll go far if Dannii gets the finger out and starts to give the girl modern songs.
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Old 19-10-2009, 18:46
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I have to say that she is not as good as I originally thought she was.

But I quite enjoy her songs, just not in a "WOW" way.

I doubt she will get to the final, but I also think it is way to early to be sure.
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Old 19-10-2009, 19:02
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Simon said in an intrerview that he thought she would do well in the comp
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Old 19-10-2009, 19:07
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She has a good voice but her performances are always lacking something, a bit of attitude I think. She's very sweet, but looks nervous on stage, and her Whitney performance was a bit amateur, with very little style or real 'performance'. She looked scared to be up there.
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Old 19-10-2009, 19:18
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The audience is lukewarm to her, the judges hardly talk about her and Simon does not seem too enthused. Do you think she will make the final 5. i dont think so.

More than her singing, it appears her character and personality is dull and uninteresting. she has the good looks and initially looked vulnerable and interesting with a youthful face full of freckles. The makeup to cover her freckles, whiten her teeth and the frumpy dress do her no favours.
the twins at this rate will outlast her.
I think that is one of her problems. The makeover did her no favours, her USP was the "girl next door" look.. shy, vulnerable young girl from a little Welsh village etc.
She is still attractive, but in the same way as tens of thousands of others. The audience will be less forgiving of another wannabe in lots of make-up and a short skirt.
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Old 19-10-2009, 19:23
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I like Lucie, the tone of her voice is beautiful, the vocal range to take the hat off, the last performance was lively, she was sexy, great figure there, she could sing while dancing, she's got the remarkable beautiful recording voice.
From the girls I like her the most, than Rachel and the last Stacey, who is really a bit weird and dull while performing.
I can't understand why Rachel has been twice in the bottom two? She is a very good emotive singer, interesting, good looking.
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Old 19-10-2009, 19:27
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I've been underwhelmed by Lucie so far while i agree she's a good singer there's just something laccking in her performance for me ,and unless Danni starts giving her much younger songs and dressing her in clothes more suited to her age i fear she won't last much longer
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Old 19-10-2009, 19:31
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In her auditions, I was definately thinking that Lucie's voice had a kind of 60s vibe to it. I dont know if her voice reminded me of someone else or not, but I could definately see her pulling off some songs from around that time and making them credible and now.
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Old 19-10-2009, 19:42
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This really comes down to Dannii and the songs she's giving to Lucie. She's giving a teenager songs that were famous in the 80's when she should be making her "current". Just look back at boot camp when she sang Hurt by Christina Aguilera, that was hands down her best performance to date. It's simple, she'll go far if Dannii gets the finger out and starts to give the girl modern songs.
Totally agree, Dannii is being "bullied" by Simon and Cheryl into giving her songs that don't suit her because they keep going on about her versatlity.

She should do like Simon did with Leona and just stick to belting out ballads in the main. As for her not having the range I wish people would use their own original thoughts rather than repeating what Simon says, God knows what it is that enables that man to dupe people into believing everything he says.

When Lucy sang I will always love you at her first audition it was outstanding and she belted out all of the big notes. At dannii's house she gave a flawless performance of Anything for you by Gloria Estafan. That type of song really suits her and she has been given two bad song choices by Danny.

Even next week they are now going to try to change a song for her to give her some "orinality" as Simon would say but if it doesnt work it could be a recipe for disaster.

Once more Simon bugs me with his incosistency on this, he now calls people hkaraoke if they sing the original version yet Leona did that right through the competition.

Joe also sang the original version on saturday and was given all the plaudits by Simon yet others were slated for doing the same.

If Lucie goes out then Dannii will only have herself to blame.
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Old 19-10-2009, 19:44
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I agree - give her some Bacharach & David - a great tune that will bring out her lovely tone. This modern obsession with caterwauling up and down the octaves isn't the be all and end all of singing.
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Old 19-10-2009, 19:51
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Lucie is sweet, an adequate singer, but seems quite dull so far.
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Old 19-10-2009, 19:53
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I think the public quite like her though, well a lot of people I know do anyway.
That is the crux of the matter.

The public will vote to keep her in.

Rachel is the one that is in trouble as the voters just don't seem to like her at all.
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Old 19-10-2009, 20:34
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Totally agree, Dannii is being "bullied" by Simon and Cheryl into giving her songs that don't suit her because they keep going on about her versatlity.
True to an extent, I think it was mentioned at bootcamp?

But even when she had freedom to pick whatever she wanted, she got it wrong (first week, FITS).

She should do like Simon did with Leona and just stick to belting out ballads in the main. As for her not having the range I wish people would use their own original thoughts rather than repeating what Simon says, God knows what it is that enables that man to dupe people into believing everything he says.

When Lucy sang I will always love you at her first audition it was outstanding and she belted out all of the big notes. At dannii's house she gave a flawless performance of Anything for you by Gloria Estafan. That type of song really suits her and she has been given two bad song choices by Danny.
I loved her performance of IWALY at the auditions. However, I really don't see that it showed her as having a particularly powerful voice or wide range. The key change usually packs far more punch than it did with her. You can maybe get away with that at the auditions with a simple backing track but on the live show when the choir appears in full voice and the lighting goes all dramatic, it would have been a bit anti climatic.

Even next week they are now going to try to change a song for her to give her some "orinality" as Simon would say but if it doesnt work it could be a recipe for disaster.

Once more Simon bugs me with his incosistency on this, he now calls people hkaraoke if they sing the original version yet Leona did that right through the competition.

Joe also sang the original version on saturday and was given all the plaudits by Simon yet others were slated for doing the same.

If Lucie goes out then Dannii will only have herself to blame.
The problem here is that there are no set criteria for finding a star. Despite the best efforts of record labels, you can't just take X and add Y and get a popstar. Where cheese may be brilliant for Same Difference, it doesn't help Jamie Archer. What is right or wrong for one isn't always the same for someone else. Cowell (among others) would appear to function on 2 instinctive levels... "that worked" or "that didn't work". Then work backwards figuring out why it did or did not work.

Some judge translations:

"That was as good as the original"
- You just sang a "karaoke" version of a song by an amazing singer and nailed it. You could make me lots of money.

"It was a bit karaoke for me"
- You just sang a "karaoke" version of a fairly average song and it was pretty dull. We can't praise your vocals or your originality.

"You should have made it more original, put your own stamp on it"
- You just sang a "karaoke" version of a big song and it didn't come close. You should do something different to disguise your vocal shortcomings or discomfort with this weeks theme.

"Some songs just shouldn't be messed with"
- You did an original take on a classic and totally messed it up. You sound crap and you made a great song sound crap.

"I didn't think that would work but it was brilliant"
- You just did an original take on a classic and it worked. You could make me lots of money.
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Old 19-10-2009, 21:05
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I agree with the OP, i think her days are numbered. Unless she really pulls an amazing performance out of the hat she is in trouble soon, not next week but the following week. She shouldnt be singing th ebig diva songs are performance wise she doesnt have that aspect that is intriguing to watch, shes just boring.
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