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Clock Change - Next Weekend
richard_g_uk
19-10-2009
Clocks go back 1 hour next Sunday so if you look at your planned schedules they are are an hour out for Sunday and Monday.

I assume it will sort itself out when the hour does go on but if you set a manual timer I'd keep an eye on it. Don't remember noticing anything odd with the planned schedules when the clocks went forward (in March).
Tern
20-10-2009
Well, it worked without incident the other way.
SkipTracer
20-10-2009
If a programme is scheduled for say 9.00pm Sunday, its still going to be recorded at 9.00pm Sunday and the clock in the HDR will go back 1 hour at about 2.00am Sunday .

Don’t know what happens if you record something that starts at 1.55am BST though.

Just as well there is not a lot on at that time.
Tern
20-10-2009
Originally Posted by SkipTracer:
“If a programme is scheduled for say 9.00pm Sunday, its still going to be recorded at 9.00pm Sunday and the clock in the HDR will go back 1 hour at about 2.00am Sunday .

Don’t know what happens if you record something that starts at 1.55am BST though.

Just as well there is not a lot on at that time.”

The simplest way for any EPG broadcaster/PVR software to handle the issue is to handle everything in GMT and just add an hour to displayed time values where appropriate.

That way there is no possibility of any error with EPG timers.

With manual timers it would, of course, have to subtract an hour from user entered times where appropriate.
fat-tony
20-10-2009
Raw EPG data is usually in UTC with an indicator for the local time offset and also contains the date and time for switching to/from daylight savings time.
Tern
20-10-2009
Originally Posted by fat-tony:
“Raw EPG data is usually in UTC with an indicator for the local time offset and also contains the date and time for switching to/from daylight savings time.”

Using GMT is the only sensible way to do it. You'd just tie yourself in knots if you started trying to send the data in local time.
richard_g_uk
20-10-2009
Originally Posted by Tern:
“With manual timers it would, of course, have to subtract an hour from user entered times where appropriate.”

Might be worth someone testing this scenario. Before the clock change set a manual recording for Sunday afternoon lets say 3 PM till 4 PM and then check to see when it adjusts itself whether it remains correctly scheduled or (incorrectly) moves an hour.

Back in March when they changed I don't remember the planned schedule showing an hour offset at all Could be just me and my forgetfulness
KDH
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by richard_g_uk:
“Back in March when they changed I don't remember the planned schedule showing an hour offset at all Could be just me and my forgetfulness ”

It worked fine ..........see

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s....php?t=1006756
richard_g_uk
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by KDH:
“It worked fine ..........see

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s....php?t=1006756”

I see I started that thread as well. Obviously paranoid about these things - also slightly worried that I don't really remember anything about it
richard_g_uk
21-10-2009
Originally Posted by Tern:
“Using GMT is the only sensible way to do it. You'd just tie yourself in knots if you started trying to send the data in local time.”

May have mis-understood what you are getting at but GMT and UTC are the same. Also GMT is the same all year around (currently we are in BST which is GMT+1).

http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com
Tern
22-10-2009
Originally Posted by richard_g_uk:
“May have mis-understood what you are getting at but GMT and UTC are the same.”

Yes, you did misunderstand.

As they are the same I was simply agreeing with Fat Tony and pointing out that GMT (or UTC) is the obvious way to handle the EPG data at program level.
Lasertek
26-10-2009
I noticed after the clock change that Scheduled 'Watch' reminders, did not move with the programme it was set to. They stayed at their origional time, thus scheduling the next programme as a reminder.
tv-Addict
28-10-2009
I was surprised no-one else has had problems.
The only recoding I had scheduled on Sunday was Emma at 9pm (accurate record).
HDR was still asleep at 8:58, but luckily I was there to switch on & watch live.

My recordings on five (manually added padding) all jumped an hour... so 19:58-21:00 became 20:58-22:00.
All fixed now, but I am surprised there were any problems....
SkipTracer
28-10-2009
Originally Posted by tv-Addict:
“I was surprised no-one else has had problems.
The only recoding I had scheduled on Sunday was Emma at 9pm (accurate record).
HDR was still asleep at 8:58, but luckily I was there to switch on & watch live.

My recordings on five (manually added padding) all jumped an hour... so 19:58-21:00 became 20:58-22:00.
All fixed now, but I am surprised there were any problems....”

I did not even give it a thought until reading your thread today, but all my HDRs schedule recording’s have been successful since Sundays clock change.

Can’t say the same for yesterdays / today 8 channel change update having to re-schedule all ITV HD programmes.
richard_g_uk
28-10-2009
Originally Posted by tv-Addict:
“I was surprised no-one else has had problems.
The only recoding I had scheduled on Sunday was Emma at 9pm (accurate record).
HDR was still asleep at 8:58, but luckily I was there to switch on & watch live.

My recordings on five (manually added padding) all jumped an hour... so 19:58-21:00 became 20:58-22:00.
All fixed now, but I am surprised there were any problems....”

I must admit I switched mine on as soon as I woke up and all my series linked schedules were correct.

Definitely looks as though there are some bugs in the system though with manual recordings not adjusting correctly although the recording of "Emma" seems very odd. If the HDR clock had not adjusted itself it should have switched on and tried to record it at 8PM. Are you sure it didn't switch on at 8PM and get itself confused because it thought it was 9PM or something
Tern
29-10-2009
Originally Posted by richard_g_uk:
“... although the recording of "Emma" seems very odd.”

Has anyone actually reported Emma failing?

I think there is a consensus here that the only sane way to handle BST switching is to keep all the EPG data and the internal clock in GMT and then adjust the display (EPG and any clock displays on screen and front panel) to reflect the perceived difference when BST is in force.

Any other way would be a nightmare to implement and if it is implemented as above it is impossible for the box to get it wrong.
tv-Addict
29-10-2009
I was watching the TV all afternoon (via a media player), so I was in front of the TV when the time came for Emma, and it was not a problem.
I must admit that I was very surprised that the box did not power on at T-15 for Emma...
I guess we could have had a power cut, but all my clocks were OK, and they normally die when we have one.

The manually adjusted recordings (which you have to use on five, or you usually miss the beginning) were more of a concern though.
Maybe I had adjusted them last week, because they looked like they were going wrong!
My memory is not what it was.. I apologise!
theShadowman
29-10-2009
Originally Posted by Tern:
“Has anyone actually reported Emma failing?
”

I didn't give it a second thought until reading this thread, but I had scheduled Emma to record in HD on the Monday night. It wasn't until the very last moment that I checked to find that the reservation had disappeared. I thought that it must have been my mistake, I'm not sure now though.
richard_g_uk
29-10-2009
I think the way the HDR displayed the guide and scheduled programs an hour out was really quite confusing.

Conversly Virgin's V+ box handled it superbly. The TV guide for Saturday and Sunday had the addition of BST/GMT next to the time so bringing up the EPG for late Saturday night and Sunday morning had the time running across the top of the EPG time line as:-

23:00 BST 23:30 BST 0:00 BST 0:30 BST 1:00 BST 1:30 BST 1:00 GMT 1:30 GMT 2:00 GMT 2:30 GMT

My Freeview PVR also did something similar but without the BST and GMT notification.

It would be interesting to know how other non Humax Freesat boxes displayed the guide around the clock change?
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