Hear Hear..Im sure Flavia would like to stay in SCD as long as possible.Its the biggest dance show on TV and the exposure she gets from it must be huge

I agree, the quoted poster was also clearly blind to the hug Flavia gave Craig after their scores came in, the hug she gave Craig after the dance, the pat on the back and smile she gave him after the dance. Yeah, so unencouraging

The woman is absolutely trying to help the guy and make him better. But many seem to not consider that its possible he may not have it in him to be as good as the others (and bless him for that as he tries). And if she looks shocked that they are kept in with low scores then it doesn't mean she doesn't want to stay in, it means she's surprised, I'd rather that than a professional expect it!

Depends how you interpret what you see though. I don't think any of the examples you gave show that she does want to stay in...

I also saw the fact that there doesn't seem to be much of a rapport between them, both in VTs and on ITT. She might hug him but she doesn't say much. The only time I really hear her say anything is in training. I know we only get to see edits but to me it just seems like he isn't getting the steps and she doesn't know what else to do with him.

What I see is a nervous smile that falters a little from time to time and doesn't quite extend to her eyes. Especially noticeable was in the dance-off with Lynda and Darren - she smiled when she thought her and Craig were eliminated, but the smile disappeared when Len unexpectedly saved them.

Why she looked shocked when they made it through to next week is open to interpretation as well, it doesn't necessarily mean she wants to stay in the competition.

I really rate Flavia as a dancer, and as I've said on other threads, it must be frustrating to have a partner with no dance ability at all, who is not improving as the weeks go on.

The pros all state in their opening VTs that they want to win Strictly, reflecting on missed opportunities in the past, hope for the next series etc. Part of their professionalism is to put their heart and soul into supporting their partner regardless of ability.

Some of the partnerships will be genuine friendships, but do you really think that all the pros are equally invested in their partners? That none of them think 'oh crap I've got the duffer again this year'? It's just a little too convenient that everyone is 'the best of friends' and 'have a great relationship'.

Maybe I'm being cynical though... maybe the strictly producers can play match-maker for us all seeing as they have this 100% hit rate for pairing people together

I don't think they're the best of friends. I do think they get on fine though, and I can't understand how anyone can interpret their interviews together as them not getting on tbh.

I think its just as possible you are being too cynical as its just as possible I am being too optimistic. Lets be honest, unless you're with them, you cant really know can you?

Yes I have watched all these things and my opinion is based on what I have seen. If you don't see her laughing at him, the way she cringes when he makes comments on his dancing and the negative body language then that is fine and you are entitled to your opinion. My comments in your opinion my seem nasty, I believe they are based on fact. It amazes me that people who have an opposing view are unable to accept that someone sees things differently to them and assume it is solely based on watching the Saturday night show, and are condescending in this approach making out that they are an authority because they have seen all their interviews.

Please don't project your negativity towards my comments to me.

Btw the way I think Flavia is a fab dancer and Craig is trying really hard. I just don't think she wants him as her partner and it shows.

I guess if all the pro dancers were being honest all the females would have wanted Ricky W and all the males would have liked Ali.

This is the thing with SC D they don't all get great dancers.They all work and try there best with what they have got and I really find it insulting for you to say that any pro dancer on hear wants to go out of SCD earlier just because there dancer has not got a chance of winning this thing and they cant be bothered carryin on

They are all professional,completive and above all enjoy dancing and I'm sure also being in the spotlight in front of millions of viewers on a Saturday night is something they thrive on

From a personal point of view I have in the past spoken to Flavia about what she likes about a partner for a show like Strictly. At the time when we spoke I was commenting about what happened last year with Phil Daniels.

[She said that Phil had not wanted to do the show, his family didnt really want him to do it, and thus he was never enthusiastic or really wanted to find the time to do it. I think probably his agent said he might as well do the show as there was nothing much else on the horizon.]

She actually said to me that if she had a celeb who wanted to learn, even if they were pretty hopeless, and was enthusiastic to listen and really tried to improve it was better than having someone who really didnt want to learn or was just doing the show for career reasons etc. She said to me if she could impart the joy of dance to someone who took something away with them she would feel like she had done her job.

With the case of Craig, Im sure she may have realised pretty early on that Craig didnt have a natural ability for dance but the fact that he still wanted to and learn will have been music to her ears and while he is still happy to try, Im sure she is happy to teach and would like to stay in. While he is up for the challenge, Im sure she will try to help him to be better. Unfortunately she really cant do much about his nerves.

What people have to understand is that Flavia is very shy and thus often comes over as perhaps aloof. But Im sure she does get on with Craig in the way that she might not have got on with someone like Phil Tuffnel (they are so different characters). We have never seen before now the way Flavia gets on with a middling celebrity - and the way we saw her animated with Matt is never going to happen again for obvious reasons. I think they get on quite well but both are fairly quiet.

I didn't say Flavia wanted to go out early, I just think she is disappointed to have Craig as a partner and is finding it hard to muster up any enthusiasm for him.

Try not to be insulted you can choose not to be insulted.

Do you know her personally.Have you asked her

No do you?

They are funny on It Takes Two from last Tuesday, 20th of October, at about 17:00 minutes in...and Claudia and Craig have this classic exchange:

Craig: "I just hope I can stay in long enough to actually give the judges a dance they like-"

Claudia: "I don't know if that's possible. Honestly..."

Craig: "But they haven't said I can't dance!"

Claudia: (making an uncertain face) "Yet. They've *alluded* to it, frankly..."

Oi! That's my favourite you are insulting there!

I blow hot and cold with Ricky G tbh. Zoe I have all but given up on.


Classic!

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While I don't doubt this, it must be remembered it was said in the context of having just partnered Phil Daniels.

It may not be exactly what she is feeling, but like others here when I see Flavia's reactions to being saved, to watching Craig move in the studio, to listening to Craig tell Claudia he thought they did a good job etc. I can see her visibly squirming with embarassment. Aloof and shy she may be, but her body language is quite the opposite

No surprise some of her fans even appeal for people not to vote so she can be "rescued" from her ordeal

Edit: because I dont want to sound like I was being harsh on Flavia, I just wish she would embrace the "ordeal" of getting a bit of a duffer as others have in the past - e.g. Kristina with John, Ola with Kenny.

Totally agree.

Well I think if Flavia doesn't want to dance with Craig then she should just make an effort to be more professional and hide it. Otherwise they should get rid of her next year and get in someone who can. She's not been part of SCD for as long as some, and she's already had one really good dancer - some professionals haven't.

Craig clearly can't dance, and doesn't even seem to understand that. Maybe people with no sense of rhythm don't even recognize rhythm so don't know when they haven't got it? Still, as he wants to go to Blackpool so badly I'd like him to go. He wouldn't be putting out a good dancer, only a slightly better dancer but one who still has no chance of winning. There are still a few of those left.

Nope but I ain't coming on this forum and trying to read Flavia thoughts like you and many others seem to be

Craig clearly can't dance,and dosn't even seem to understand that.

This is an interesting point....Why does he not know what he is doing wrong,and how bad he is and why is Flavia not telling him.I just think Flavia seems to be showing up,learning him the steps and thats where it ends.I think Flavia is an amazing dancer no question,but I really dont think she is cut out for Strictly.The professionals have a lot more to do with the celebs than teaching them to dance....they need to be shown how to express the correct personality for each dance,how to cope with nerves,how to work the audience and if you are a crap dancer pull out all the stops to entertain the audience at home and in the studio.Fact is the pros will only get a great dancer every other year if they are lucky,and therefore need to bring out the best in the celebs with personality ect.This means that anyone like Flavia who is very shy and withdrawn will never do well in the competition unless she has a great dancer.....she just dosn't have the personality for a show like strictly.

no offfence but.......rubbish

How do you know that she isn't? You honestly think she's sitting on her ass not trying to help him improve? Did you not see the belt he was wearing in training this week to improve his posture?

As for Flavia not being cut out for Strictly, well most Strictly viewers I know (non forumers) really enjoy her presence in the show, and a couple are voting for her and Craig because they have enjoyed his dances (the ones Flavia choreographed for him) the last couple of weeks. Just because they aren't appealing to you doesn't mean they aren't appealing to others.

Except they are still in the show, beating out all the other poor dancers and their pros so, they must be doing something right.

I was going on how I perceive her actions and body language. I never said I was reading her mind. As no one on her is able to read her mind, my point of view is as valid as theirs.

Offence not taken, as I choose not to be offended.

I believe it is not rubbish.

Well for one ,I have never heard her giving him any advice on how to get further in the comp on the VT,she never speaks full stop.We havn't heard what she thinks of him or how well he is doing....maybe that is down to editing but I dont think so,even in Tess's room she says nothing.Flavia is most definetely helping him dance,but like I said it takes a lot more from the pro than just learning them the steps.I enjoy her presence also on the show,like I said she is an amazing dancer,but im talking about her never getting far in the comp with a crap dancer or non personality....they were in the bottom 2 twice so the public obviously wern't enjoying them that much......I think hes still there because he is begging to get to Blackpool and is getting the sympathy vote.Im not the first person to notice Flavia would looked dissapointed to be saved.