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Old 27-10-2009, 23:13
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If G&S start on Nov 26th, like QI, then Xmas Eve would be epiosde 5 and the final episode would then go out on New Year's Eve which is not a good idea as everybody's partying that night. This assumes a weekly slot.

It might work like this:
The New Tricks repeats finish on Nov 12th.
Crimewatch on the 19th.
Comedies start on the 26th.

Unless G&S starts on the 19th and the reason QI doesn't start till the 26th is because G&S initially partnered with the Armstrong & Miller finale, displaced from Friday 20th by Children In Need. Alternatively, if G&S starts on the 26th, there would be spare slots on Fridays all through December alongside HIGNFY, so G&S could take one of these, possibly on the 18th, ready for a plum Christmas slot for the conclusion.

As you final question - the BBC Trust need to get their finger out and tell Jay Hunt to making finding new pre-watershed comedy her TOP, NUMBER ONE priority. All we seem to have coming up is Big Top with Amanda Holden and nobody's holding their breath for that one.
I didn't realise that was the case with Crimewatch airing on 19th November - kinda throws a spanner in the works. They may run the final two episodes of Gavin and Stacey back-to-back on Christmas Eve then.

And let's hope Amanda Holden does hold her breath or her face might finally disintegrate

Seriously though, pre-watershed comedy really is a problem. BBC One seem to have this obsession with centring sitcoms around families, despite the fact there's so many other possible scenarios.

It's also an issue of scheduling - where's it going to go with all the soaps in the schedules of both channels? We're going to be seeing Jon Culshaw's new show going out at about 9:30pm on Saturday night's from the start of November as there's no room for it anywhere else. Personally, I think the best slot for it would be Wednesday @ 7:30pm, or possibly 8:30pm, with Waterloo Road starting @ 7:30pm.

I wonder when we're going to see the three comedy pilots that were announced eariler in the year?

EDIT: Just found this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pre...11/three.shtml

Nationwide comedies or just for BBC Scotland I wonder?
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Old 27-10-2009, 23:17
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I'm talking about QI here, guys, not Gavin and Stacey.

(EDIT: See post 227)
The reason QI won't be on on Friday until the New Year is that HIGNFY and QI running back-to-back would be 2 consecutive comedy panel shows, which the BBC probably thinks is overdoing it, even though they're quite happy to put 3 consecutive programmes on about buying bloody houses in their morning schedule. (Not at the moment - it's only 2 consecutive programmes filling 90 minutes of airtime just now - but they have done sometimes.)
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Old 27-10-2009, 23:22
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Seriously though, pre-watershed comedy really is a problem. BBC One seem to have this obsession with centring sitcoms around families, despite the fact there's so many other possible scenarios.

It's also an issue of scheduling - where's it going to go with all the soaps in the schedules of both channels? We're going to be seeing Jon Culshaw's new show going out at about 9:30pm on Saturday night's from the start of November as there's no room for it anywhere else. Personally, I think the best slot for it would be Wednesday @ 7:30pm, or possibly 8:30pm, with Waterloo Road starting @ 7:30pm.
Family comedies are a tried and tested format, not to mention very successful, I would like to see more non family sitcoms, the Americans do it quite well with the likes of The Big Bang Theory, How I Met Your Mother. There are non family related comedies but most are post watershed
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Old 27-10-2009, 23:30
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I didn't realise that was the case with Crimewatch airing on 19th November - kinda throws a spanner in the works. They may run the final two episodes of Gavin and Stacey back-to-back on Christmas Eve then.


I wonder when we're going to see the three comedy pilots that were announced eariler in the year?

EDIT: Just found this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pre...11/three.shtml

Nationwide comedies or just for BBC Scotland I wonder?
I don't know that about Crimewatch. It's pure speculation on my part based on known "facts" - New Tricks repeats finishing on the 12th and QI starting on the 26th. But Crimewatch has to go somewhere. The only other option is Tuesday. ATWI 80 Days finishes on Nov 17th. Crimewatch on the 24th. Five-part Paradox starting on December 1st and ending on the 29th. If there's a December Crimewatch that would have to be Monday 21st after Life finishes, I reckon.



Does look from the article, and the rubbishy programme titles, that these new comedies are for Scotland only.
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Old 27-10-2009, 23:32
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We've got Outnumbered coming up again soon, presumably? I guess that will be the New Year now once TXF is out of the way?

And when's The Old Guys back? Wasn't that on last winter, or does it just feel that long ago?

Clearly BBC1 does need to discover some compelling new comedy and entertainment formats. It's the one obvious weakness the network has right now. ITV has discovered some success with revived old formats - I sense that those in charge at BBC1 just aren't interested in that sort of thing.
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Old 27-10-2009, 23:38
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It was the beginning of this year for the first series of The Old Guys, did it deffinatly get picked up for a second series? I know we do have series 2 of Life Of Riley to come next year! Although i actually can't wait for series 3 of outnumbered! I think the best thing the BBC could do would be to have the Outnumbered xmas special on xmas day, that way it could introduce the fantastic show to such a bigger audience, and hopfully boost its ratings when it comes back
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Old 28-10-2009, 00:40
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I think BBC One's comedy output for next year is looking like this so far (I think):

Big Top - Series 1
Life of Reily - Series 2
My Family - Series 10
The Old Guys - Series 2
Reggie Perrin - Series 2
Outnumbered - Series 3
Armstrong and Miller - Series 3
Sex, Drugs & Rock ‘n’ Chips - Pilot

Not Going Out has been axed; Gavin and Stacey will be finished; Harry and Paul are moving to BBC2.

Not that inspiring a line up really. I think two things need to happen to reverse this current situation.

First of all, comedy needs a new slot. Although Friday may seem like a good slot, for many it's their going out/DVD night so most new comedy (good or bad) is being missed. They need to move it to Wednesday or Thursday nights, where it's going to have a bigger chance of grabbing an audience. Jonathan Ross could take the Friday 9pm slot.

Secondly, they need to be taking risks in what they're doing, and most likely, move away from the stuido based sitcom. If you look at recent comedy hits - Outnumbered, The Thick of It, Peep Show, Benidorm, Lead Balloon - they're all located outwith the studio. They need to get something like this on BBC One, as they'll most likely appeal to a wider audience that The Old Guys (yawn).
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Old 28-10-2009, 01:03
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Some interesting ramifications with that QI news. They clearly need something to partner Gavin and Stacey, so hiving the first few episodes off QI seems like the most sensible solution given that it does have a massive 16 episodes to this series. I don't think the day change will really hurt it because it essentially stops for Christmas and restarts in the new year (especially if G&S concludes with a double bill on Xmas Eve which I think would do good numbers).

In the other news - I'm begging the BBC to see sense with Doctor Who and put it on Sunday at 7 rather than levering it into a schedule with Merlin and Strictly. Don't think I'll see those prayers answered though... They've always seemed stubborn as anything that its a Saturday night show. Of course, as ITV's recent exploits have taught us - Sunday is the new Saturday!
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Old 28-10-2009, 01:44
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Phillip Schofield was asked about this on Twitter a while ago. Obviously he wouldn't be involved in it now but he said he got the impression the Beeb felt it had run its course. Which it probably had, I suppose.
Philip Schofield left the show to sign an exclusive deal with ITV.

It continued for a little bit with Danny Wallace, but it wasn't as good.
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Old 28-10-2009, 07:46
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ITV has discovered some success with revived old formats - I sense that those in charge at BBC1 just aren't interested in that sort of thing.
So what are Strictly Come Dancing & Doctor Who then? And isn't the BBC constantly trying to revive The Generation Game?
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Old 28-10-2009, 08:01
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Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but looks like John Sergeant on the Tourist Trail starts on Tuesday 10th November, 20:00.
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Old 28-10-2009, 08:51
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Secondly, they need to be taking risks in what they're doing, and most likely, move away from the stuido based sitcom. If you look at recent comedy hits - Outnumbered, The Thick of It, Peep Show, Benidorm, Lead Balloon - they're all located outwith the studio. They need to get something like this on BBC One, as they'll most likely appeal to a wider audience that The Old Guys (yawn).
Ironic, of course, that two of the comedy hits mentioned there have the same writers as The Old Guys. There was nothing wrong with that, anyway, it wasn't a classic but there were some good moments, the cast was great and it was a generally amusing half hour.

The idea of the studio-based sitcom being outdated is a curious one, there are plenty of bad single camera shows, and BBC1 have done more than their fair share - Parents of the Band? Blessed? If they're funny, they'll work. And something like The Thick Of It, fantastic though it is, would be a complete flop on BBC1.
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Old 28-10-2009, 09:28
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This may or may not settle the argument on this but I just spotted that Dannii Minogue told someone on Twitter yesterday that the X-Factor final is December 13th - which is a Sunday.

She may have the date wrong, of course, and plans could still change but that seems like a pretty strong indicator that the final will be on both nights.
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Old 28-10-2009, 09:43
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Terry Wogan just complained on his Radio 2 show that the powers that be don't tell anybody anything, but apparantly the star-studded Children In Need concert due to be recorded on Nov 12th won't go out on Sunday 15th as first stated but goes out the day before CIN on Thursday 19th.

This would explain QI not starting till the 26th. I imagine the concerts will go out between 8pm and 10pm against Emmerdale, Corrie and IAC.



As for TXF final on Dec 13th.... Ah, but will there be a programme on Sat 12th or is it all moving to the Sunday (to avoid Strictly. Makes chicken noises at Cowell.)?Incidentally Sports Personality is on on Dec 13th. Oh dear for it.
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Old 28-10-2009, 09:51
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Terry Wogan just complained on his Radio 2 show that the powers that be don't tell anybody anything, but apparantly the star-studded Children In Need concert due to be recorded on Nov 12th won't go out on Sunday 15th as first stated but goes out the day before CIN on Thursday 19th.

This would explain QI not starting till the 26th. I imagine the concerts will go out between 8pm and 10pm against Emmerdale, Corrie and IAC.
Wow - that'll be one hell of a clash!

Last year CIN was on November 14th, thus never had any clash against IAC. If I was ITV, I'd deliberately (if possible) do:

19:00 - Emmerdale
19:30 - Coronation Street
20:30 - I'm a Celebrity
22:00 - News at Ten

Get rid of Tonight for a week.

For the Thursday, I can imagine Countryfile being removed, with another 1 1/2 hours of IAC.

EDIT: What are the chances of BBC1 on the Thursday doing:

19:00 - EastEnders
20:00 - CIN Special

I guess all will be revealed soon!
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Old 28-10-2009, 10:12
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More BS courtesy of Broadcast: http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/b...007368.article

While that is slightly true, Broadcast appears to have a short memory and thus has forgotten the fact that QI will be clashing with I'm a Celebrity... for 3 weeks. In effect, The Bill is taking a 5 week break.

Tuesday 27th October 2009
BBC One
20:00 - Holby City: 5.87m (24.3%)
21:00 - Around The World In 80 Days: 4.18m (17.9%)

BBC Two
20:00 - James May's Toy Stories: 3.54m (14.6%)
21:00 - Horizon: 1.6m (6.8%)

ITV1
20:00 - Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?: 3.22m (13.3%)
21:00 - 7 Days On The Breadline: 3.5m (15%)

Channel 4
20:00 - How To Look Good Naked: 2.18m (9%)
21:00 - The Force: 1.32m (5.6%)

Five
20:00 - Nature Shock: 1.18m (4.9%)
21:00 - CSI: Miami: 2.7m (11.5%)

Sky1
20:00 - Stargate Universe: 677,000 (3%)

SciFi
22:00 - Dollhouse: 155,000 (1%)

Source: DS
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Old 28-10-2009, 10:30
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I thought Millionaire would have increased and been nearer the 4m mark after Masterchef finished, but it appears it just keeps getting lower and lower in the Tuesday slot and nearly at 'Tuesday Flop Zone' levels. The only show that seems to have been boosted from Masterchef finishing is HTLGN.

Surprised that SDOTB kept most of its audience and CSI:Miami is now back up to the level it was at before The Fixer.
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Old 28-10-2009, 10:32
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I thought Millionaire would have increased and been nearer the 4m mark after Masterchef finished, but it appears it just keeps getting lower and lower in the Tuesday slot and nearly at 'Tuesday Flop Zone' levels. The only show that seems to have been boosted from Masterchef finishing is HTLGN.

Surprised that SDOTB kept most of its audience and CSI:Miami is now back up to the level it was at before The Fixer.
The lead in is the problem. The downside of losing the hour long Emmerdale on Tuesdays. I think we will see changes to the Tuesday schedule in the new year.
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Old 28-10-2009, 10:34
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http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.co...news-networks/
CNN is in the unusual position of getting beaten by itself (Headline News) as it falls to number 4 in the ratings amongst US cable news networks

meanwhile
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...820,full.story

Jay Leno's low ratings at 10pm are causing affiliates unease as the 11pm local news shows are suffering double digit declines versus last year, although NBC is throwing them some additional station time to sell ads in the 10pm hour to partly compensate them.

Plan B if Leno is axed is to give the 10pm hour back to the affiliates to run syndicated repeats which is unlikely to deliver much better ratings. Ultimately I think Leno will be axed and NBC will go to local news at 10pm followed by the Tonight Show at 10.35 although that might upset affiliates in the central time zone who would presumably need to add an hour of syndiated shows somewhere in the evening line up to keep their current 10pm news slots.
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Old 28-10-2009, 10:38
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The lead in is the problem. The downside of losing the hour long Emmerdale on Tuesdays. I think we will see changes to the Tuesday schedule in the new year.
So if we look at the positives/negatives that have resulted from ITV's new schedule we have:

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-Much needed boost for Emmerdale.
-More freedom for Wednesday night.
-Better all hours share on Thursday.

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-The Bill considerably down.
-Millionaire suffering from no Emmerdale lead in.
-Corrie managing less on a Thursday than it did in its Wednesday slot.

Taking this into account, I agree, there will be some changes in the New Year, especially with the revamped Tonight being scheduled somewhere. I'd say The Bill definetely needs moving and something needs to be done about Tuesdays.
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Old 28-10-2009, 10:44
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So if we look at the positives/negatives that have resulted from ITV's new schedule we have:

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-Much needed boost for Emmerdale.
-More freedom for Wednesday night.
-Better all hours share on Thursday.

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-The Bill considerably down.
-Millionaire suffering from no Emmerdale lead in.
-Corrie managing less on a Thursday than it did in its Wednesday slot.

Taking this into account, I agree, there will be some changes in the New Year, especially with the revamped Tonight being scheduled somewhere. I'd say The Bill definetely needs moving and something needs to be done about Tuesdays.
I would do the following:

Tuesday
7pm Emmerdale
7.30pm Tonight
8pm Emmerdale
8.30pm The Bill
9.30pm ?????

but what would work at 9.30pm - ITV dont really have many late evening 30 minute shows (panel, comedy or factual) that would deliver a decent audience
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Old 28-10-2009, 11:15
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So, Babs is leaving EE next year.

From a ratings perspective this is very interesting news. If they get the exit right, it could be one of the highest rating episodes of EastEnders for many years.

15m+ seems perfectly possible for such a high profile departure.
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Old 28-10-2009, 11:18
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So, Babs is leaving EE next year.

From a ratings perspective this is very interesting news. If they get the exit right, it could be one of the highest rating episodes of EastEnders for many years.

15m+ seems likely for such a high profile departure.
Especially if they wait for the Christmas Day episode 2010!! EastEnders always brings in more viewers on Christmas Day.

Back to last night ratings, really good ratings for James May!.

Who Wants To Be A Millionaire really should be axed now IMO, It's so sad knowing the ratings it used to get and looking at it's current ratings.
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Old 28-10-2009, 11:23
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So, Babs is leaving EE next year.

From a ratings perspective this is very interesting news. If they get the exit right, it could be one of the highest rating episodes of EastEnders for many years.

15m+ seems perfectly possible for such a high profile departure.
The last big exit in EastEnders, Pauline's exit, had 10.7m on Xmas Day 2006. (official rating was 11.56m)

Vera's Corrie exit in January 2008 had 11.6m. (official rating was 13.02m for 19:30 episode; 12.65m for 20:30 episode)

Not so sure if Peggy's exit would get 15m. I guess it depends on how the soap ratings over Xmas do as to whether her exit would get that much!
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Old 28-10-2009, 11:31
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Great start to James Mays Toy Stories, beating Millionaire.
Very enjoyable show.
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