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NBC needs new leadership and someone with a vision who can pull them out of this mess, they managed it before in 1985 when The Cosby Show started to beat Dynasty and no doubt it can happen again but it needs to happen soon.
The networks that fall from grace and then rise again is like a cycle, CBS struggled in the 90s and then slowly became Number 1 again thanks to Survivor and CSI and later on NCIS, ABC struggled in the early 2000s although they had a hit with Millionaire which they managed to kill off due to overexposure then they had hits with Lost, Desperate Housewives, Grey's Anatomy and DWTS and FOX struggled too before striking gold with American Idol followed by House and Bones. CBS is proof that if you give people decent shows, they will watch. They don't have a megahit like Idol or Dancing with the Stars but the majority of their shows average 10m or so although they aren't immune to struggle as their Sunday lineup languishes in fourth every week. |
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Provisional schedules out:
Saturday 14th November BBC1 14:00 - Rugby Union 16:30 - TBA 17:10 - BBC News 17:30 - Hole in the Wall 18:00 - Merlin 18:45 - Strictly Come Dancing 20:25 - Lottery Draws 20:35 - Casualty 21:25 - The Impressions Show 21:55 - BBC News 22:15 - TBA 23:00 - The Football League Show ITV1 16:15 - TBA (England v Brazil) 19:00 - New You've Been Framed 19:30 - Harry Hill's TV Burp 20:00 - The X Factor 21:30 - Piers Morgan's Life Stories 22:30 - ITV News Sunday 15th November BBC1 19:00 - Countryfile 20:00 - Antiques Roadshow 21:00 - Garrow's Law ITV1 18:45 Harry Hill's TV Burp 19:15 Family Fortunes 20:00 X Factor 21:00 TBA (I'm a Celebrity) I think BBC1's schedule for the Saturday will end up like this, which may be seen as far from ideal, and puts Merlin in a horrible slot: 14:00 - Rugby Union 16:40 - BBC News 17:00 - Hole in the Wall 17:30 - Merlin 18:15 - Doctor Who: Waters of Mars 19:15 - Strictly Come Dancing 20:55 - Lottery Draws 21:05 - Casualty 21:55 - The Impressions Show 22:25 - BBC News 22:45 - The Football League Show |
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How the once-mighty have fallen - 9 years ago it played to audiences up to 19m. Now it gets thrashed every week by Holby, and loses to BBC2 now too.
A lesson in how making a programme so over-exposed and watered-down can kill it off. Simon Cowell take note... |
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Provisional schedules out:
Saturday 14th November BBC1 14:00 - Rugby Union 16:30 - TBA 17:10 - BBC News 17:30 - Hole in the Wall 18:00 - Merlin 18:45 - Strictly Come Dancing 20:25 - Lottery Draws 20:35 - Casualty 21:25 - The Impressions Show 21:55 - BBC News 22:15 - TBA 23:00 - The Football League Show ITV1 16:15 - TBA (England v Brazil) 19:00 - New You've Been Framed 19:30 - Harry Hill's TV Burp 20:00 - The X Factor 21:30 - Piers Morgan's Life Stories 22:30 - ITV News Sunday 15th November BBC1 19:00 - Countryfile 20:00 - Antiques Roadshow 21:00 - Garrow's Law ITV1 18:45 Harry Hill's TV Burp 19:15 Family Fortunes 20:00 X Factor 21:00 TBA (I'm a Celebrity) I think BBC1's schedule for the Saturday will end up like this, which may be seen as far from ideal, and puts Merlin in a horrible slot: 14:00 - Rugby Union 16:40 - BBC News 17:00 - Hole in the Wall 17:30 - Merlin 18:15 - Doctor Who: Waters of Mars 19:15 - Strictly Come Dancing 20:55 - Lottery Draws 21:05 - Casualty 21:55 - The Impressions Show 22:25 - BBC News 22:45 - The Football League Show |
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I think BBC1's schedule for the Saturday will end up like this, which may be seen as far from ideal, and puts Merlin in a horrible slot:
14:00 - Rugby Union 16:40 - BBC News 17:00 - Hole in the Wall 17:30 - Merlin 18:15 - Doctor Who: Waters of Mars 19:15 - Strictly Come Dancing 20:55 - Lottery Draws 21:05 - Casualty 21:55 - The Impressions Show 22:25 - BBC News 22:45 - The Football League Show And The Football League Show seems highly unlikely to air as early as 10.45pm. If they don't want to have a Super Saturday on 19th December (and get blockbuster ratings), then it has to be Sunday 15th November at 7pm. There's no suitable slot on the Saturday. Quote:
Actually I think it's Jay Hunt who needs to take note....although looking at the ratings for SCD, it could be too late
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Won't the 16.30 TBA be Final Score on BBC1 Saturday? There's the international matches and Football League matches to go through there. Then everything else will fit into slot.
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Can't see them having a Final Score for League 1 and League 2 games to be honest. The International matches will be kicking off at different times as well - England for instance kicks off @ 5pm on ITV1.
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Humiliation. That must be Millionaire's lowest ever audience? And third place behind BBC1 and BBC2.
How the once-mighty have fallen - 9 years ago it played to audiences up to 19m. Now it gets thrashed every week by Holby, and loses to BBC2 now too. A lesson in how making a programme so over-exposed and watered-down can kill it off. Simon Cowell take note... Quote:
It would make a nice change to see BBC1 give over 2 hours of its prime time Thursday night schedule to a pop concert with some big names (Cheryl Cole - whoever she is, etc) doing their bit for charity. It may provide a distinctive and alternative offering Doubt you'd be saying the same if it was ITV handing over two-hours of primetime to such an event.
to ITV1's diet of soaps, celebrity tits and worm-eating.
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Bit of a contradiction there isn't it. And lame accusation at Mr Cowell, one of the few producers around at the minute seeing his shows grow, and significantly too, year on year.
Now it gets thrashed week in, week out by Holby City in a Tuesday night ratings backwater. I think it's perfectly pertinent to compare BGT-TXF, a show that is out of control with regards to its hype and over-exposure, with the Millionaire scenario. |
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The last time there was no premier league or championship football on a Saturday (10th October), Final Score was replaced with Bruce Goes Dancing (repeat).
14:00 - Rugby Union 16:40 - BBC News 17:00 - Total Wipeout 17:45 - Hole in the Wall 18:15 - Merlin 19:00 - Strictly Come Dancing 20:40 - Doctor Who: Waters of Mars 21:40 - Lottery Draws 21:50 - Casualty 22:40 - BBC News 23:00 - The Football League Show They'll never do it because they'd argue that Doctor Who and Casualty are on too late. Also, Doctor Who might be hurt by starting after The X Factor. EDIT: With this one they could swap Strictly and Doctor Who around so it: 18:15 - Merlin 19:00 - Doctor Who 20:00 - Strictly Come Dancing What'd people say about the clash then. Could really hurt Strictly, though.A more likely possibility is just ditching Merlin (again): 14:00 - Rugby Union 16:40 - BBC News 17:00 - Total Wipeout 17:45 - Hole in the Wall 18:15 - Doctor Who 19:15 - Strictly Come Dancing 20:55 - Lottery Draws 21:05 - Casualty 21:55 - The Impressions Show 22:25 - BBC News 22:45 - The Football League Show Another alternative...I think 5.30pm would be too early, even for a family drama. Might just get away with six o'clock...depends how brave BBC1 are in regards to Strictly: 14:00 - Rugby Union 16:40 - Question of Sport (R) 17:10 - BBC News 17:30 - Hole in the Wall 18:00 - Merlin 18:45 - Doctor Who 19:45 - Strictly Come Dancing 21:25 - Lottery Draws 21:35 - Casaulty 22:25 - The Impressions Show 22:55 - BBC News 23:15 - The Football League Show A bit late for Casualty/The Impressions Show? And a major clash between Strictly/The X Factor. Of course they could just move Doctor Who to a Sunday: 18:00 - Countryfile 19:00 - Doctor Who 20:00 - Antiques Roadshow 21:00 - Garrow's Law Saying that it doesn't exactly fit it in with the feel of the night. Merlin might fit in a bit better with Doctor Who taking the Saturday slot...18:15 - Merlin 19:00 - Countrywise 20:00 - Antiques Roadshow 21:00 - Garrow's Law The BBC certainly haven't made it easy on themselves! |
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BGT is only on for a couple of months each year. Apart from the one week where it's stripped there is absolutely no comparison to be made.
You may have a fair point if we were to throw in The X Factor as well but even then as a weekly show it's no more overexposed than a lot of shows out there. And I don't think it takes a prophet to predict that Britain's Got Talent won't last forever. But then not many hits of their time did. |
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The ratings that are on average the same as last year's series?
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Just pointing out that Millionaire was the biggest thing on TV, growing its ratings substantially, getting 14-19m several nights a week for several weeks of the year, demolishing all in its wake, causing a scheduling crisis for the Beeb, and being sold all round the world to great acclaim. But ITV's desire to milk its golden goose resulted in people getting fed up of it, it becoming over-exposed, and padded out so much it became less a quiz show and more a chat show.
Now it gets thrashed week in, week out by Holby City in a Tuesday night ratings backwater. I think it's perfectly pertinent to compare BGT-TXF, a show that is out of control with regards to its hype and over-exposure, with the Millionaire scenario. What exactly is your point with the Millionaire comparisons? Every time one of these series is on you wheel out the comparison yet every series the numbers go up. Now, eventually, you will be right. Formats come and go. The X Factor will almost certainly not be on TV in 10 years. But that's not likely to be do to with any of the issues you point out. Because as sure as X Factor won't be on TV in 10 years, neither will Strictly. The show started a week later this year and aired the same number of hours before the live shows this year as it did last year (and the year before that). There's now an extra 15 minutes on the results shows. It's hardly a huge increase and when you're "padding" with Robbie Williams and Whitney Houston, it's not too big a problem. Showing a 45 minute result show on Sundays isn't going to prolong the format in the long run. It's just going to lose money in the short run. |
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I wouldn't say over-exposure is Millionaire's only problem (although it's certainly a big part of its downfall). Another big contributing factor to its decline is actually something which has had the opposite effect on X-Factor.
When a contestant on Millionaire achieved the show's highest prize (Judith Keppel winning the million), it robbed the show of its momentum and much of the excitement. It suddenly stopped being a big deal because we'd already seen the biggest moment the show could offer. The anticipation was gone and can't be regained. That makes it just a regular quiz show now so there's no reason for it to feel like an event. When an X-Factor contestant hit the show's jackpot (Leona Lewis being successful internationally), it had the reverse effect by making the show more exciting. Now that we know X-Factor can actually deliver on its promise of stardom, the stakes are higher and the show is stronger as a result. |
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I wouldn't say over-exposure is Millionaire's only problem (although it's certainly a big part of its downfall). Another big contributing factor to its decline is actually something which has had the opposite effect on X-Factor.
When a contestant on Millionaire achieved the show's highest prize (Judith Keppel winning the million), it robbed the show of its momentum and much of the excitement. It suddenly stopped being a big deal because we'd already seen the biggest moment the show could offer. The anticipation was gone and can't be regained. That makes it just a regular quiz show now so there's no reason for it to feel like an event. When an X-Factor contestant hit the show's jackpot (Leona Lewis being successful internationally), it had the reverse effect by making the show more exciting. Now that we know X-Factor can actually deliver on its promise of stardom, the stakes are higher and the show is stronger as a result. I completely agree about Judith's win - once that had happened the show's biggest hook was gone. |
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Brilliant analysis.
I completely agree about Judith's win - once that had happened the show's biggest hook was gone. |
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NBC needs new leadership and someone with a vision who can pull them out of this mess, they managed it before in 1985 when The Cosby Show started to beat Dynasty and no doubt it can happen again but it needs to happen soon.
The networks that fall from grace and then rise again is like a cycle, CBS struggled in the 90s and then slowly became Number 1 again thanks to Survivor and CSI and later on NCIS, ABC struggled in the early 2000s although they had a hit with Millionaire which they managed to kill off due to overexposure then they had hits with Lost, Desperate Housewives, Grey's Anatomy and DWTS and FOX struggled too before striking gold with American Idol followed by House and Bones. CBS is proof that if you give people decent shows, they will watch. They don't have a megahit like Idol or Dancing with the Stars but the majority of their shows average 10m or so although they aren't immune to struggle as their Sunday lineup languishes in fourth every week. |
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True, but both TXF and BGT have enjoyed growth this year. Why hasn't Strictly?
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Avalanche is bang on the money. It's the same with Deal or No Deal; in it's heyday it was getting 3-4m viewers for each episode. Now a few years on and 2 x £250k winners later, it's rare that it has even 2m. The drop in viewership has been stark, particularly over the past year.
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NBC haven't had anybody with vision since Brandon Tartikoff or Warren Littlefield.
They need a few noisy shows to get things running again. Big name stars and producers or sci-fi/cult shows which always generate buzz. Reality can be a great platform to turn a network around but it's very hit and miss. Maybe adapting a hit film for TV or even a video game (an area which seems under-developed, IMHO). |
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They need a few noisy shows to get things running again. Big name stars and producers or sci-fi/cult shows which always generate buzz. Reality can be a great platform to turn a network around but it's very hit and miss. Maybe adapting a hit film for TV or even a video game (an area which seems under-developed, IMHO). I think NBC needs to develop more multicamera comedies, it's clear that the single camera shows get the praise but not viewers. Or keep single camera comedies but make them more accessible to audiences, maybe remake something like Outnumbered, Gavin and Stacey or even Benidorm although what the US equivalent of Benidorm? Surprised that no one has ever attempted to remake the two UK hit dramas, Doc Martin and New Tricks. New Tricks would be a hard sell due to the older cast but Doc Martin would fairly easy to adapt with just change of location. |
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I wouldn't say over-exposure is Millionaire's only problem (although it's certainly a big part of its downfall). Another big contributing factor to its decline is actually something which has had the opposite effect on X-Factor.
When a contestant on Millionaire achieved the show's highest prize (Judith Keppel winning the million), it robbed the show of its momentum and much of the excitement. It suddenly stopped being a big deal because we'd already seen the biggest moment the show could offer. The anticipation was gone and can't be regained. That makes it just a regular quiz show now so there's no reason for it to feel like an event. When an X-Factor contestant hit the show's jackpot (Leona Lewis being successful internationally), it had the reverse effect by making the show more exciting. Now that we know X-Factor can actually deliver on its promise of stardom, the stakes are higher and the show is stronger as a result. I think ITV should have been crafty, and waited until someone had won the jackpot (probably peaking its audience), then sell the show worldwide, and pull it off air for a year or even a few. Then, it bring it back when the public appetite is restored. It did feel overexposed, but it was very serious unlike most gameshows. It had a very unique format. And I can't believe people have mentioned the revamp, with the dancy titles and the new money amounts. That has weakened the show, if anything. Makes it look real cheap. It should never have been changed. I don't like the celebrity specials either. The whole thing about Millionaire was building up momentum, with the viewer seeing who can get closest, or who can win a million. It's a more successful day-in, day-out gameshow than the BBC have ever created, and obviously the BBC could be blamed more than ITV for unnecessary padding. - Strictly Come Dancing - very long shows with no breaks - Countryfile - 50 weeks - Watchdog - an hour of dumbed down rubbish - The One Show - ALL THE TIME, plus an hours episode on a Friday. I know it deals with current events, but its a bit much isn't it? Robbie can talk about padding ![]() Silly man. |
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When an X-Factor contestant hit the show's jackpot (Leona Lewis being successful internationally), it had the reverse effect by making the show more exciting. Now that we know X-Factor can actually deliver on its promise of stardom, the stakes are higher and the show is stronger as a result.
Which begs the question, if John and Edward win this year does the programme lose that credibility abd, subsequently, all the extra viewers it's won this year? ![]() No wonder Simon's storming around in a filthy mood. But he ought to be careful. Look what happened with Strictly last year. The more obviously angry the judges got at the public continually voting for John Sergeant, the more public support John got. And if John hadn't decided the joke had worn thin, and so quit, who's to say he wouldn't have won it. Like Jodie Preger winning I'd Do Anything when Cameron Mackintosh so didn't want her to win. I can't imagine John and Edward doing a John Sergeant and saying "We only entered this for a laugh. We don't deserve to win, we're not the best act. Let's quit the contest." And I bet they get loads of kids voting for them. And the Irish. And anyone who likes to see Simon Cowell annoyed. Come on, John and Edward!!!!
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Wednesday 28th October 2009
BBC One 18:00 - BBC News at Six: 4.7m (24.6%) 18:30 - Regional News and Weather: 5.5m (26.9%) 19:00 - The One Show: 4.4m (21.3%) 19:30 - Jimmy's Food Factory: 4.1m (18.3%) 20:00 - Waterloo Road: 5m (21.3%) 21:00 - Crimewatch: 4.2m (17.6%) 22:00 - BBC News at Ten: 4.6m (23.2%) 22:25 - Regional News and Weather: 4.6m (25.3%) 22:35 - The National Lottery Draws: 3.5m (21.5%) 22:45 - Crimewatch Update: 2.3m (15.8%) 22:55 - The League Cup Show: 1.5m (14.9%) BBC Two 18:00 - Eggheads: 2.3m (11.9%) 18:30 - Strictly Come Dancing - It Takes Two: 2.5m (12.2%) 19:00 - Coast: 1.7m (7.9%) 20:00 - Natural World: 2.4m (10%) 21:00 - Andrew Marr's The Making of Modern Britain: 2.2m (9.2%) 22:00 - Never Mind the Buzzcocks: 1.9m (9.9%) ITV1 18:30 - ITV Evening News and Weather: 3.8m (18.6%) 19:00 - Emmerdale: 6.8m (33.1%) 19:30 - Coronation Street: 8.4m (37.5%) 20:00 - Midsomer Murders: 5.9m (24.9%) 22:00 - News at Ten and Weather: 2.5m (12.7%) 22:35 - Cops with Cameras: 1.8m (14%) Channel 4 18:00 - The Simpsons: 2.2m (11.4%) 18:30 - Hollyoaks: 1.6m (7.9%) 19:00 - Channel 4 News: 700,000 (3.2%) 19:55 - 3 Minute Wonder: The Wall: 600,000 (2.8%) 20:00 - Ruth Watson's Hotel Rescue: 1.4m (5.9%) 21:00 - Did Heston Change Little Chef?: 2.2m (9.1%) 22:00 - True Blood: 1.1m (6.6%) Five 17:00 - Five News with Natasha Kaplinsky: 800,000 (6.3%) 17:30 - Neighbours: 1.4m (9.1%) 18:00 - Home and Away: 1.1m (5.9%) 18:25 - Live From Studio Five: 200,000 (1.2%) 19:30 - Highland Emergency: 400,000 (1.8%) 20:00 - Britain's Best Brain: 700,000 (3%) 21:00 - FILM: Collateral Damage: 900,000 (4.7%) 23:10 - Vice Squad: 300,000 (3.9%) Good night for ITV, Midsomer around the 5.9m like previous new episodes. In fact, good night for all terrestrials, excluding Five who appeared to have an appauling night. Waterloo Road got off to a very good start. |
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Fantastic start for Waterloo Road. Not one episode in the previous series managed 5m and considering BBC1 have comissioned 40 new episodes of the show it needs to be getting decent ratings. Hopefully it can build on the 5m and become a solid hit on Wednesdays, like Holby is on Tuesdays.
Buzzcocks slotted in nicely to its new slot on BBC2, but it does seem like it's being messed around a lot this series. Good night for ITV1, but Midsomer would be around the 6.5m mark I reckon if it had a consistent slot. Also surprising Corrie keeps managing over 8m when out of its normal slot. Also strangely when Collision airs Corrie is back in the Wednesday 7.30pm slot. What's the point in this now both of the 2 Friday episodes have been used up?? Surely this is just going to confuse and anger Corrie viewers?? Tonights episode should get a boost with the big Tony storyline and no Masterchef competition. Extremely poor night for FIVE. Their first try at an entertainment show in ages and it flops big style. Not a good start. FIVE's Wednesdays are like ITV1's Tuesdays. They have no big hitters. Every other day of the week on FIVE has at least one big hitter which runs for at least half the year, but Wednesdays have nothing as far as I can recall. |
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to ITV1's diet of soaps, celebrity tits and worm-eating.
Could really hurt Strictly, though.