I'm going to repost this because it was lost in all the Christmas talk.

I think I've found a decent solution to ITV1's soap woes...

Monday
7.00pm Emmerdale 1 hour (1,2/6)
8.00pm EastEnders
8.30pm Coronation Street (1/5)

Tuesday
7.00pm Emmerdale (3/6)
7.30pm EastEnders
8.00pm Coronation Street (2/5)
8.30pm Free slot

Wednesday
No soaps

Thursday
7.00pm Emmerdale (4/6)
7.30pm EastEnders
8.00pm Coronation Street 1 hour (3,4/5)
9.00pm The Bill

Friday
7.00pm Emmerdale 1 hour (5,6/6)
8.00pm EastEnders
8.30pm Coronation Street (5/5)

Pros:
-Consistency: Corrie always follows EastEnders, Emmerdale always comes before it.
-Even spread: Mon/Tue/Thu/Fri is evenly spaced over the week
-Completely free Wednesdays: breaks up the week and gives an opportunity for more variety/mid-week entertainment
-(for ITV) same amount of airtime but (for viewers) only 4 episodes per soap a week compared to 6 and 5 at the mo
-No more viewer-hated double episodes - better storylining
-(for ITV) always reclaiming much of the EastEnders audience for Corrie which can then be used for programming later in the evening

Cons:
-1 clash: Corrie clashes with Holby City on Tuesday. Solution... the BBC should move Holby to Wednesday.
-A gap at 8.30pm on Tuesday night. What would ITV1 air there...? Perhaps comedy and sitcom pilots or a 90 minute drama.

Any thoughts?

I've reorganised ITV1's primetime schedule for next week with this new system and IMO it works really well:

Monday 7th
6.30pm ITV Evening News
7.00pm Emmerdale
8.00pm Tonight
8.30pm Coronation Street
9.00pm I'm a Celebrity… Coming Out
10.00pm ITV News at Ten

Tuesday 8th
6.30pm ITV Evening News
7.00pm Emmerdale
7.30pm Coastline Cops
8.00pm Coronation Street
8.30pm Grimefighters
9.00pm Robson Green's Wild Swimming Adventure
10.00pm ITV News at Ten

Wednesday 9th
6.30pm ITV Evening News
7.00pm River Monsters
7.30pm UEFA Champions League
10.00pm ITV News at Ten

Thursday 10th
6.30pm ITV Evening News
7.00pm Emmerdale
7.30pm Coastline Cops
8.00pm Coronation Street
9.00pm The Bill
10.00pm ITV News at Ten

Friday 11th
6.30pm ITV Evening News
7.00pm Emmerdale
8.00pm Tonight
8.30pm Coronation Street
9.00pm Mister Eleven
10.00pm ITV News at Ten

* permanent fixtures in bold

It's basically not too radical - just a reordering of what's on when. It should boost soap figures because Emmerdale retains its usual 7pm slot and viewers will always switch back over after EastEnders.

If ITV is reading this they could easily implement this right away as it does not involve any new programming or episode cuts, just putting a few episodes of Corrie and Emmerdale back-to-back to make hour-episodes.

Obviously eventually the soaps would be specially written for their slots/new days, but this schedule brings immediate cognition and consistency to the schedule that would bring benefits all round.

Her experience as Controller of Daytime does show with some of the commissions and some decisions like moving Masterchef to BBC One, they need someone who can make the schedules work without too much problem. Peter Fincham has done an okay job and some decisions like X Factor and Family Fortunes to Sundays was a masterstroke as was establishing Monday Night Thrillers.

I don't think we could ever call a night with Tennant's last-ever Doctor Who and the Gavin and Stacey finale particularly "uninspiring".

Doctor Who was clearly always going to be the main focus of the NYD line-up. Adding the comedy of Gavin and Stacey balances out the drama-heavy schedule. Something like Triffids could have aired there but two apocolyptic sci-fi's in one night was perhaps, and quite rightly, considered one too many. Better off to let it beef up the Xmas to New Year period.

Masterchef is moving to BBC one because of the tripling of Shines fee for an episode[like who do you think you are, the apprentice and gavin and stacey before it] BBC one has money two doesnt.

The general rule is 3 years for dreamworks and 4 for pixar.
The incredibles[2004] could have been aired last year but they kept it for this year due to the fact that no main pixar movie was created in 2005.[Wallace and gromit was an co production between Aardman and dreamworks and not officially an true dreamworks movie]

So last year they showed shark tale, madagascar[ both dreamworks] and wallace and gromit ''the curse of the were rabbit'and aired no pixar due to having an pretty strong bench with Dreamworks/AArdman. They kept the incredibles for this year when theu no new pixar would be available

next year shrek the third, bee movie[both dreamworks]and cars[pixar] will be available.

In 2011 it should be kung fu panda[dreamworks],Ratatouille
[pixar]

It's QI and Mastermind which makes it 'uninspiring' IMO.

I'd have got rid of/moved them and shunted everything else back. Screw Corrie and Emmerdale and this self-imposed 'a family drama must never end as late as 9pm' rule:

6.45pm Celebrity Mastermind
7.15pm EastEnders
7.45pm Doctor Who
9.00pm EastEnders
9.30pm Gavin and Stacey
10.00pm Live at the Apollo

I actually thought he was an poor controller of bbc one, the biggest shows and ratings bankers the channel has now are all inherited from Lorraine Heggessy.[new tricks,dr who[an very brave commission back then],my family, strictly come dancing.Or inherited from bbc 2 in the case of the apprentice and who do you think you are.

I seriously question his judgement in relation to commissioning,Broadcast had an article an few months ago saying that it was rumoured if he left itv or got an promotion he wanted Elaine Beddel to replace him. When they worked together at the bbc they commissioned an huge amount of crap together[ last choir standing, dance x , an stars in their eyes rip off, when will i be famous, Davina, hes having an baby, the kids are all right]

Collission was only officially commissioned by him it was cast and well in pre production before he even joined.
After the sucess of DOI on sundays, it was hardly an new idea[ or his] when X factor was moved to sunday for the results [after Simons demands were meet, there was already rumours of the move way back in march'08].

It would be intersting to see the cubes ratings without an simon cowell show after or before it. I would imagine it would nosedive like Mr and MRS 7.6 million after it one week and 3.9 million without it the following week

Neither was he an scheduling God either i can remember when he had series two of life of mars against the latter stages of the champions league to the disgust of John Simm.I can also the costume drama overload of 07/08 when cranford, lark rise and sense and sensibility were all aired after each other. FFS lark rise and s & s even aired after each other.
He also randomnly recommissioned Castaway and put it at 8pm.

I think BBC one has an good few problems coming doen the line and it aint Jay Hunts fault.
Imo HIGNFY, spooks, who do you think you are, casualty, my family,hustle are beginning to get stale. Silent witness is nearly 14 years old and ashes to ashes is finishing.Fincham failed to find any new bankers in these genres.

I think the one big SCD was an mistake on jays part but i think the monday night comedy at 10.35 has worked.I really dont mind if 7to 8 is all factual on weekdays because i think she needs to concentrate time and money on the 9 o clock shows[sundays ,mondays and tuesdays in particular]

IMO Peter Finchams legacy to the channel is the one show and those bloody Andrew lloyd Webber shows.



In relation to the xmas schedule i think the only think thats slightly odd is the outnumbered xmas special which in fairness couldnt really be aired on xmas eve due to it being set on boxing day and all the dramas for the rest of the week dont finish till 10.30.

Secondly i think people complained on the other thread about the incredibles being on too early at 3,10 on christmas day. An few years ago an repeat of shrek at 3,10 beat the premiere of toy story 2 at 4,40 on christmas day.

Also with with the 30 minute gap in the schedules being filled by the shrek the halls special, i dont really see any alternative other than wallace and gromit.[which would also have been criticised]
last year against corrie on xmas eve shrek the halls got 6.33m vs 8m.

On boxing day flushed away airs before the repeat of the wallace and gromit WHY? Because it was an flop and barely broke even at the box office and ended aardmans partnership with dreamworks.

[QUOTE=RobbieSykes123;37037910].
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- - PoTC3 doesn't deserve a 8pm, whole-night-hogging slot on Boxing Day. It got 6m last year for PoTC2 and ITV won the night. It will do so again - that's ITV1's strongest Boxing Day in years, and aside from EastEnders, it's going to be slim pickings for BBC1 if this line-up is confirmed (I don't see a problem with a PoTC3 premiere on Boxing Day and a PoTC2 repeat on NYE)


wrong
last year

THE CHRONICLES OF NARNIA: THE LION (FRI 1749 6.55
eastenders 10.1 million
potc 7 million



itv1

emmerdale 5m
Harry hill 6.44m
corrie 8m
corrie 8m
caught in a trap 4,7 million


Itv were only ahead when corrie was on and didnt win the night and actually the BBC did better last boxing day than than in 2007

bbc 1

7.00 my family 6m
8.00 eastenders 9.5m
8,30 ballet shoes 5.3m

itv1

7.00-7.30emmerdale 7million
7.30-8.30 thats ehat i call tv 4 million
8.30 corrie 9,9million
9pm the old curiosity shop 5 million

2008 schedule for comparasion
Saturday 20th
5.40 Hole in the Wall
6.10 Outtake TV
6.40 Strictly Come Dancing
7.55 The National Lottery Draws
8.10 Casualty
9.00 Strictly Come Dancing
9.45 Outnumbered

Sunday 21st
6.05 After You've Gone
6.45 Antiques Roadshow
7.45 Lark Rise to Candelford
9.00 Casualty

Monday 22nd
7.00 Dom's on the Case
7.30 Watchdog
8.00 EastEnders
8.30 Panorama
9.00 QI Christmas Special
9.30 Gavin and Stacey

Tuesday 23rd
7.00 Wild About Your Garden
7.30 EastEnders
8.00 Holby City
9.00 Survivors

Christmas Eve
6.05 Toy Story 2
7.30 Shrek the Halls
7.55 EastEnders
8.30 My Family
9.30 Have I Got News for You
10.00 Gavin and Stacey Christmas Special

Christmas Day
As above somewhere!

Boxing Day
5.50 The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe
8.00 EastEnders
8.30 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
10.50 BBC News
11.00 The National Lottery Euromillions Draw
11.05 Match of the Day

Saturday 27th
6.30 BBC News
6.50 Weakest Link Special
7.50 The National Lottery: In It to Win It
8.40 Casualty
9.30 Outnumbered
10.00 A Question of Sport: Extra Time

Sunday 28th
6.30 Celebrity Mastermind
7.00 Antiques Roadshow
8.00 The 39 Steps
9.30 Have I Got News for You

Monday 29th
6.30 Celebrity Mastermind
7.00 Christmas on the Frontline
8.00 EastEnders
8.30 Superman Returns
10.55 BBC News

Tuesday 30th
6.30 Dom's on the Case
7.00 Celebrity Mastermind
7.30 EastEnders
8.00 Holby City
9.00 Around the World in 20 Years
10.00 QI

New Year's Eve
5.35 Top of the Pops New Year's Eve Special
6.40 BBC News
7.00 Celebrity Mastermind
7.30 Last of the Summer Wine
8.00 Weakest Link Special
9.00 Meet the Fockers
10.50 New Year Live

New year's Day
5.15 Shrek 2
6.40 BBC News
7.00 Wallace and Gromit: A Matter of Loaf and Death
7.30 EastEnders
8.00 Celebrity Mastermind
8.30 EastEnders
9.00 Jonathan Creek


on last years schedule look at all the fillers on bbc one compared to this year apart from mastermind,Also the beeb have cut Casualty from 3 to two episodes over this xmas it seems.

HIGNFY repeat
QI repeat
Weakest link special x 2
an question of sport - extra time
outake tv
hole in the wall compiliation
wild about your garden
lottery quiz

Tuesday 30th
6.30 Dom's on the Case

The Snowman has been on C4 every Christmas since the channel began.


Well, make your blooming mind up.

In the first paragraph you criticise the BBC for working around ITV and then in the second paragraph you have a go at the one day in the fortnight when they have had faith in their own line-up (as you wanted) by scheduling Dr Who against both ITV soaps.

I meant Peter Kay!!!!!

I meant Peter Kay!!!!

I can't believe I made the error (I think I've made it before in the past).

No, I agree Vernon Kay is rubbish, but I meant Peter Kay...sh1t!

Shockingly poor ratings for Paradox last night

This thread has become a TOTAL mess, and needs sorting out by a mod.

There are plenty of Christmas TV threads to discuss what's on during that period.

+1 on that. Its become infested with endless fantasy schedules and speculation.

2.94m 11.5%

Accordingto DS 7.89m is respectable!

+2

And I'm a Celebrity's performance is only respectable, given it had a Corrie lead-in and that it has been hitting heights of 10 million before. Reality shows are expected to build and build, and that's been the case with IAC before, especially in its final week.

So it is only 'respectable', if not 'quite modest considering its lead-in'

Well to be honest one poster in particular posts fantasy schedules all year round while the thread becomes an X Factor zone at weekends so I don't think you can complain about discussion of xmas dominating the thread. It is after all one of the most important days in terms of ratings given how high some shows on BBC1 can go. To put it into perspective it's a bit like having the X Factor final in every slot with high shares all day. Of course all ratings on BBC1 Xmas Day will be lower than the XF final but I still say a full day of high ratings is more to crow about than one programme getting massive ratings.

Ouch ! Flop alert.

Yeah but its got to the point where you struggle to find actual ratings figures here now.

Normally mods split threads when a topic becomes large enough to warrant a separate thread of its own. I dont know where the line is but can someone tell me which posts in the last 7 days actually have ratings figures and then I will just look at those!

I agree, let's get back to the point of this thread... so who do you think will leave The X Factor on Sunday?

LOL at George trying to get the christmas scheduling discussions yellow carded because no-one's talking about the X Factor any more!

We've been subjected to discussions and speculation about TXF scheduling all year, but he doesn't bat an eyelid at that.

Oh wow- I watched it again last night, thought it was tosh, but surprised it rated so badly. Tamsin is an awful actress in this.IMHO

Tuesday 1st December Overnights
BBC One
13:45- Doctors: 1.58m (22.7%)
19:00- The One Show: 5.2m (24%)
19:30- EastEnders: 8.26m (36.6%)
20:00- Holby City: 4.45m (18.4%)
21:00- Paradox: 2.94m (11.5%)
22:00- BBC News at Ten: 4.0m (19%)
22:35- Imagine: 1.2m (9%)

BBC Two
20:00- A History Of Scotland: 1.89m (7.8%)
21:00- Delia's Classic Christmas: 3.04m (11.9%)
22:00- Grumpy Old Women: 1.7m (9%)

ITV1
19:00- Emmerdale: 6.6m (30%)
* 19:00-19:25: 6.89m (32.1%)
19:30- Grimefighters: 3.5m (16%)
20:00- Coronation Street: 7.5m (31%)
* 20:00-20:25: 7.75m (32.4%)
20:30- I'm A Celebrity...: 7.89m (31.2%)
22:00- News at Ten: 3.5m (17%)
22:35- Real Crime: 1.5m (13%)

Channel 4
18:00- The Simpsons: 2.23m [inc. +1]
18:30- Hollyoaks: 1.52m (7.3%) , +1: 107k (0.5%)
20:00- Country Home Rescue: 1.27m (5.2%) , +1: 77,000
21:00- The Queen: 1.75m (6.8%) , +1: 156,000
22:00- The F Word: 1.45m [inc. +1]

Five
17:30- Neighbours: 1.44m (8.9%)
18:00- Home and Away: 1.11m (5.7%)
20:00- Sea Patrol UK: 1.09m (4.5%)
21:00- CSI: Miami: 1.67m (6.5%)
22:00- CSI: NY: 1.2m (7%)

BBC Three
22:00- EastEnders: 853k (4.5%)

E4
19:00- Hollyoaks: 653k (3.2%), +1: 130k (0.6%)
21:00- Ugly Betty: 470k [inc. +1]
22:00- Supersize vs. Superskinny: 260k [inc. +1]

Film4 [inc. +1]
19:15- The Perfect Score: 120k
21:00- Flags of Our Feathers: 270k

More 4 [inc. +1]
21:00- Ruth Watson's Hotel Rescue: 140k

Fiver
18:30- Home and Away: 509k (2.6%)
19:00- Neighbours: 195k (1%)

ITV2
22:00- I'm A Celebrity...: 600k (3.6%)

Primetime Shares
ITV1: 26%
BBC One: 19%
BBC Two: 8.7%
Channel 4: 5.7% (+1: 0.5%)
Five: 4.8%

All Day Shares
ITV1: 21.2%
BBC One: 19.0%
BBC Two: 8.0%
Channel 4 [inc. +1]: 7.6%
Five: 5.0%
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Poor for Paradox. I expected it to fall, but not by 30%! I'm a Celebrity's about level on last week's figure, and Delia's Classic Christmas did well. Unusual to see CSI Miami come bottom of the terrestrials at 9pm.

The One Show did well to post 5.2m for the second day in a row. Emmerdale's share is a bit on the low side. Grimefighters seems to have been boosted by the soap sandwich, nearly a million up from what it usually gets. Could explain why EE is a bit lower than usual.

I'd happily start an separate X Factor scheduling thread too Robbie! And one for multi- quote replies as well!

I have to agree with sallyk about Peter Fincham, I don't think he's as brilliant as people think he is. His moves at ITV1 have not been good enough - he is lucky The X Factor and Britain's Got Talent have exploded this year, and that Collision and Whitechapel did well.

He is yet to show signs of being able to continually commission decent programmes, or to regulate the schedule properly and keep it consistently strong and varied.

His reaction to the soap schedule move was poor ... Thursday nights are awful and the schedule is littered with two episodes a night of the same soap (3 instances in the week now).

Whether or not he is planning to reorganise and streamline the schedule remains to be seen, but the idea of Emmerdale on Mon 7pm (1hr), Tue 7pm, Thu 7pm, Fri 7pm (1hr) and Corrie Mon 8.30pm, Tue 8pm, Thu 8pm (1hr) and Fri 8.30pm is a perfect solution IMO.

He also needs to think long and hard about new things going forward - where are the new drama commissions, where are the new comedy pilots and sitcoms like we see on BBC One?

At BBC One Fincham ordered the demise of the "Dancers" idents before the programmes, ushering in the current circle-themed identity (which is very good). I think he would do well to change the visual identity of ITV1, which is abysmally bad at the moment.

He would also have done well to make a smidgen more effort on Christmas Day this year, rather than continue with the usual "we don't give a sh*t about Christmas because we don't need to" crap.

Primarily, he needs to reorder and nail down the core, weekly bank of soaps and Tonight into a well distributed bank across the week (as shown above), then needs to start being a bit braver with commissioning and showing signs of wanting to turn the public's perception of ITV around.