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Old 25-10-2009, 23:42
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Are the guests the main pull for the results show though - I think for many they're just the warm up act until the results themselves are announced.

Everything though is now pointing towards a new high for next Saturdays show, both with less crossover with Strictly and the inevitable fall out from tonight's result which as always will lead to a complete over reaction and reports of hundreds if not thousands of idiots complaining to OFCOM.
Probably would have been even better for the show if Danyl had gone tonight (although it's only a matter of time anyway) as the publicity would have been immense. He was never going to win anyway so it would be no great loss.
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Old 25-10-2009, 23:42
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I agree. Though it's obviously being done for the press attention. They wouldn't have announced it on The Xtra Factor otherwise.
You have got to hand it to the background staff in the last couple of years-to have elevated the brand to this level of hype is a mastery of manipulation.

Also I wonder if a bandwaggon effect may start to roll for John and Edward even as a kind of backlash against the hype-given that the pair are supposedly the least talented at Karaoke.
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Old 25-10-2009, 23:44
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Probably would have been even better for the show if Danyl had gone tonight (although it's only a matter of time anyway) as the publicity would have been immense. He was never going to win anyway so it would be no great loss.
I'd have preferred it if he'd gone too!
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Old 25-10-2009, 23:49
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You have got to hand it to the background staff in the last couple of years-to have elevated the brand to this level of hype is a mastery of manipulation.

Also I wonder if a bandwaggon effect may start to roll for John and Edward even as a kind of backlash against the hype-given that the pair are supposedly the least talented at Karaoke.
I'd be amazed if they didn't reach the final. There they'll bow out third, the public tend to come to their senses come final time.
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Old 25-10-2009, 23:51
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There is also an 'emergency' meeting being held about the show, they announced it on The Xtra Factor. The press are going to go into spasms over that.

Great ratings for the two big shows last night. Less of a clash will help Strictly as well as X Factor.
Otherwise known as Simon throwing his toys out of his pram. It's his own fault though - he's over hyped Danyl from the moment he met him at the auditions and tonight was just the culmination of the backlash.
I agree. Though it's obviously being done for the press attention. They wouldn't have announced it on The Xtra Factor otherwise.
Well, if Simon wants Danyl to win, he can abandon the money-spinning phone vote and the rest of the series and just announce him as the winner next Saturday.

What's the point of the programme if you're going to tell the public how they have to vote? The GBP don't take kindly to that, anyway. That's why that Preger female won I'd Do Anything - because Cameron Mackintosh made it so obvious he wanted the other woman to be his Nancy. And look at the John Sergeant fiasco in last year's Strictly.

As you say though, this is all contrived because Cowell and his team are experts in manipulating the cretins in the national press who are like salvinating wolves, desperate to pick up whatever crumbs they can of X Factor's huge success.

(Scornful tone) An emergency meeting. FFS!
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Old 25-10-2009, 23:58
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Next up...Joe apparently threw a tambourine in Lucie's face. It's certainly story after story at the moment.

EDOT: I don't know if that's a hoax thread or not in the X Factor forum.

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BTW, question about another reality TV show, and I feel a bit sick asking this considering the situation - but do you think Andrew Lloyd Weber's search for Dorothy will have to be put back due to his illness?
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Old 25-10-2009, 23:59
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Oh good grief!

At least try to make a tenuous link between your riveting TXF eviction discussions and ratings. If not, take it to the TXF specific forums so we don't all have to scroll through it... :yawn:
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Old 26-10-2009, 00:03
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Oh good grief!

At least try to make a tenuous link between your riveting TXF eviction discussions and ratings. If not, take it to the TXF specific forums so we don't all have to scroll through it... :yawn:
The publicity means bigger ratings. There.
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Old 26-10-2009, 00:04
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John Sergeants Tourist Trail is getting a lot of promotion, but where is this likely to be scheduled given that Collision week and then I'm A Celeb is coming up ?
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Old 26-10-2009, 00:28
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Oh good grief!

At least try to make a tenuous link between your riveting TXF eviction discussions and ratings. If not, take it to the TXF specific forums so we don't all have to scroll through it... :yawn:


The X Factor was good tonight. I liked the live performances and I think it's a travesty J&E were not in the bottom. What did everyone else think?

Is everyone enjoying the series? Who's your favourite act and why? Who do you want to win?

I like the new set. Does anyone else like the new set?

And I think Dermot's good. He's very agreeable as a host isn't he?

What about the judges, who likes them? I like Louis the best, he doesn't take things too seriously and can stand up for himself.

...
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Old 26-10-2009, 01:16
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Oh good grief!

At least try to make a tenuous link between your riveting TXF eviction discussions and ratings. If not, take it to the TXF specific forums so we don't all have to scroll through it... :yawn:
Just reflects the popularity of the show, something the BBC cannot and probably never will achieve.

The BBC can never get a country talking. The closest they've ever come is EastEnders, followed by Doctor Who.

Jay Hunt will mark the end of your beloved BBC as you know it...
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Old 26-10-2009, 01:37
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I thought that the X-Factor was dire tonight and the only thing worth watching on it was Danyl.

I think that from now on all I'll be tuning into on the results show is the last 10 minutes, if I bother to watch at all.

Westlife had tuning issues and Michael Bublé was not only blander than Westlife, a major achievement, but sounded a bit like a dad at a wedding who'd had a few.

It might get people talking but for the wrong reasons, i.e. why was the only decent singing performance done by a competitor who was in the bottom two?
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Old 26-10-2009, 01:59
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I thought that the X-Factor was dire tonight and the only thing worth watching on it was Danyl.

I think that from now on all I'll be tuning into on the results show is the last 10 minutes, if I bother to watch at all.

Westlife had tuning issues and Michael Bublé was not only blander than Westlife, a major achievement, but sounded a bit like a dad at a wedding who'd had a few.

It might get people talking but for the wrong reasons, i.e. why was the only decent singing performance done by a competitor who was in the bottom two?
I don't think I've ever disagreed with a post more. Yikes.
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Old 26-10-2009, 02:40
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Just reflects the popularity of the show, something the BBC cannot and probably never will achieve.

The BBC can never get a country talking. The closest they've ever come is EastEnders, followed by Doctor Who.
Erm, come again?!

I grant you, XF and BGT are the biggest shows on TV, and they capture the attention of media outlets and subsequently, the public at large better than any other show. Though I have to say that I credit Cowell himself with this much more than I would ITV. Their best decision is simply to throw money at him and do as he says.

But don't you think your being a tad overdramatic? By that definition, no programme other than the Cowell shows ever captures the publics attention - which I think would slightly undersell Strictly, EastEnders, Doctor Who, Top Gear, The Apprentice, Wallace and Gromit et al.

And of course, they could always rely on Jonathan Ross to whip up a few column inches.

I do have to agree to a point with Robbie on the XF discussions though. I'm as guilty as anyone for straying off topic, but the weekends on this thread are increasingly spent discussing the relevant merits of XF contestants or shows - of which there are many other places on this forum dedicated too. Of course, we recognise when media attention could push ratings through the roof - but I think its perhaps heading a little far of late.

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Old 26-10-2009, 04:21
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Erm, come again?!

I grant you, XF and BGT are the biggest shows on TV, and they capture the attention of media outlets and subsequently, the public at large better than any other show. Though I have to say that I credit Cowell himself with this much more than I would ITV. Their best decision is simply to throw money at him and do as he says.

But don't you think your being a tad overdramatic? By that definition, no programme other than the Cowell shows ever captures the publics attention - which I think would slightly undersell Strictly, EastEnders, Doctor Who, Top Gear, The Apprentice, Wallace and Gromit et al.
And of course, they could always rely on Jonathan Ross to whip up a few column inches.

I do have to agree to a point with Robbie on the XF discussions though. I'm as guilty as anyone for straying off topic, but the weekends on this thread are increasingly spent discussing the relevant merits of XF contestants or shows - of which there are many other places on this forum dedicated too. Of course, we recognise when media attention could push ratings through the roof - but I think its perhaps heading a little far of late.

See, I disagree...

Wallace & Gromit might've been watched by as many million viewers as BGT, but I don't think it got the country talking. This thread didn't start discussing what was going to happen in Wallace & Gromit, nor did any other.

There were many factors that determined its phenomenal ratings.

Another thing, BBC1 tend to have this obsession with revivals. Even revivals within shows now. In EastEnders, since Sharon came back a few years ago, we've had so many returns. I think it's some kind of tactic.

Also, there's Emma, Doctor Who, Upstairs, Downstairs (not even an BBC show ), Anne Robinson back at Watchdog, Jonathan Creek, The Royle Family, Wallace and Gromit, Only Fools & Horses spin-offs, etc.

And with Strictly on its last legs, what have BBC1 got to rely on? More really trashy daytime shows in primetime. 10 Ways to Lose Weight in the 9pm slot, anyone? .

ITV might make mistakes, but on a much smaller budget remember, offer a lot more to the British public. Jeremy Kyle is one big mistake, although noone's seen it yet to judge.

ITV are making more exciting drama, more exciting comedy, more exciting entertainment and even gaining a fair reputation in factual programming with its authored journeys.

This year we've had Whitechapel, Benidorm, Doc Martin, The X Factor, Piers Morgan, Britain's Got Talent, Above Suspicion, The Cube, Journey to the Edge of the World (in my opinion, one of the best made factual programmes apart from Attenborough I've ever seen) and the brilliant Murderland, which returns tonight for its second episode. Don't forget TV Burp either.

They lead the way in original comedy, drama and entertainment at the moment, with the highest ratings.

All original formats that have come about this century that are capable between 5 and 20 million viewers.

ITV are starting to be fresh & innovative. They are still making mistakes, but anything is better than BBC1's haphazard efforts at present.

And yeah, ITV aren't perfect, but I think they've had a better year to BBC1. They're starting to re-generate. The loss of Sunday evening dramas still have hurt a lot of viewers I think, but look at how Sunday nights are this year.

ITV entertains better than any other channel in Britain, period. No arguments. It doesn't inform or educate half as much (although I've found News at Ten to be much more superior to its BBC inferior)
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Old 26-10-2009, 08:46
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Sorry, but how can you discuss what's going to happen in Wallace and Gromit, EastEnders and Doctor Who when you have a good knowledge base beforehand of what is going to happen?
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Old 26-10-2009, 09:08
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Sorry, but how can you discuss what's going to happen in Wallace and Gromit, EastEnders and Doctor Who when you have a good knowledge base beforehand of what is going to happen?
Well, there are lots of cliffhangers in EastEnders, such as Heather's baby. Was this discussed on Ratings Thread? No, the country isn't talking about it, unlike X Factor.
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Old 26-10-2009, 09:10
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Well, there are lots of cliffhangers in EastEnders, such as Heather's baby. Was this discussed on Ratings Thread? No, the country isn't talking about it, unlike X Factor.
You can't say "the country isn't talking about it" based on a relatively small sample in one thread.

We don't represent the country.
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Old 26-10-2009, 09:13
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You can't say "the country isn't talking about it" based on a relatively small sample in one thread.

We don't represent the country.
Yes we do.
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Old 26-10-2009, 09:35
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Well, there are lots of cliffhangers in EastEnders, such as Heather's baby. Was this discussed on Ratings Thread? No, the country isn't talking about it, unlike X Factor.
Uhm, the SOAP forum exploded with Heather talk, the episode thread was one of the biggest. "Heather" "Darren "EastEnders" were trending topics on Twitter. The ratings thread discusses ratings, nothing else, well apart from banal fantasy schedules that is.
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Old 26-10-2009, 09:37
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Uhm, the SOAP forum exploded with Heather talk, the episode thread was one of the biggest. "Heather" "Darren "EastEnders" were trending topics on Twitter. The ratings thread discusses ratings, nothing else, well apart from banal fantasy schedules that is.
And X Factor gossip, that's how this topic started in the first place, if you had been reading, which you haven't
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Old 26-10-2009, 09:38
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25.10.09

(15 min averages)

Harry Hill rpt 5.3m / 24%
Family Fortunes 7.4m / 30%
XF 13.4m / 48% - peak will be over 14m.
Doc Martin 8.7m / 34%

Xtra Factor 2m (includes +1)

Countryfile 5.8m / 23% - biggest show of the day for BBC ONE
Antiques Roadshow 5.2m / 19%
Emma 3.7m / 14%

Liverpool v Man United peaked at 2.8m on Sky Sports1
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Old 26-10-2009, 09:40
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And X Factor gossip, that's how this topic started in the first place, if you had been reading, which you haven't
No i do generally ignore 90% of the comments in this thread as they are of no interest to me.
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Old 26-10-2009, 09:43
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(15 min averages)

Harry Hill rpt 5.3m / 24%
Family Fortunes 7.4m / 30%
XF 13.4m / 48% - peak will be over 14m.
Doc Martin 8.7m / 34%

Xtra Factor 2m (includes +1)

Countryfile 5.8m / 23% - biggest show of the day for BBC ONE
Antiques Roadshow 5.2m / 19%
Emma 3.7m / 14%

Liverpool v Man United peaked at 2.8m on Sky Sports1
Can't believe how many people are watching Harry Hills repeat
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Old 26-10-2009, 09:44
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(15 min averages)

Harry Hill rpt 5.3m / 24%
Family Fortunes 7.4m / 30%
XF 13.4m / 48% - peak will be over 14m.
Doc Martin 8.7m / 34%

Xtra Factor 2m (includes +1)

Countryfile 5.8m / 23% - biggest show of the day for BBC ONE
Antiques Roadshow 5.2m / 19%
Emma 3.7m / 14%

Liverpool v Man United peaked at 2.8m on Sky Sports1
Harry Hill seems high - I cant believe a repeat of a show getting close to 7m in the original screening can get 5m+ for a narrative repeat the following day
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