I see people talking about a NEW scoring system

What is it and when did it come about, because I can't see anything new about how the scores are calculated??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pre...trictly8.shtml

If there are couples with joint scores does it mean the couple with the lowest judges score can get more than one point ?

Basically I think I'm right in stating it comes down to this:

Each 2-way tie gives all couples below that tie 1 extra point compared to the old system.

Each 3-way tie gives all couples below that tie 2 extra points compared to the old system.

...and so on.

So in week 4 for example, when there two 2-way ties and one 3-way tie above the two couples tied for last place, those two couples each benefited to the tune of 4 extra points (i.e. 6 points instead of 2)...with the other couples below the first tie also benefiting (albeit to a lesser extent).

On Saturday, there were ties for 3rd/4th, 5th/6th and 7th/8th...so the couples in 5th and 6th received 1 extra point; the couples in 7th and 8th received 2 extra points; and the couples in 9th, 10th and 11th all received 3 extra points.

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Last edited by Bonnie96 : 26-10-2009 at 11:30

Previously if e.g there were 4 couples for the sake of simplicity and the top 2 tied - they would each have gotten 4 points and then the next couple would have gotten 2 with the last getting 1 point.
Now the top 2 tied still get 4 points each and the next couple gets 3 points and the 4th gets 2 points

4 4 2 1 becomes 4 4 3 2

"Just working it through, imagine there are 5 couples left.

In theory, the judges have 15 points to award between the 5 couples (5+4+3+2+1=15).

The public also have 15 points to award, in the same way.

So that's 50-50.

But if, say, the judges award (for the sake of simplicity), all 5 couples 40 marks, then each couple will get 5 judges points. This means the judges will have 25 points to hand out. But the public will still have only 15.

So 40 points will be handed out in total, of which the judges will award 25, that is 62.5%. Meaning the public's vote only counts for 37.5% (15 points out of the 40 awarded).

I think......"


The above was posted elsewhere but it's an interesting point.

Any statisticians out there - is this a flaw in the new system? Or have KPMG or whoever devised the new format assessed that this is such an unlikely scenario as not to worry about it?

If they all get 5 it's just like them all getting 1, or any number really. They could all be given 100 each and it wouldn't make a difference. This would just mean the public get's the say really and the judges scores cancel each other out.

When you put it that way - it makes perfect sense Sorry for being such a klutz - I'm not hard wired for logic.

Yeah, that's not new, though, it's always been that way (I'm sure you all know how often that happens on DWTS, especially in the final).

What's new is if everybody gets a 5 except your favorite couple, they'll get a 4 instead of a 1. That will probably make a huge difference down the line.

This bit therefore makes the judges vote not as important, as the scores aren't as spread out as they would have been last year (although the case you've stated is the same as Tom's situation last year as the couple that would have gotten 1, still couldn't be saved but now can, proving that we have a lot more of a say now).

The new system was designed to make sure that no couple could ever be immune from the dance off and no couple could be automatically in the dance off regardless.

As such it is flawless.

... Saturdays Show produced the following scores ... the scores from the old scoring system are in brackets

A&B 37 - 11 (11)
Z&J 33 - 10 (10)
J&I 32 - 9 (9)
R&N 32 - 9 (9)
R&E 29 - 8 (7)
N&V 29 - 8 (7)
C&O 28 - 7 (5)
L&A 28 - 7 (5)
P&K 25 - 6 (3)
C&F - 5 (2)
J&B -14 4 (1)

In previous years, for Craig to have been saved over Jade he would have had to have come at least 4th (out of eleven) in the public vote netting himself 8 public vote points, and Jade would have had to have been 9th or lower in the public vote to be lower on points than Craig ... (most of the other couples would also have had to be at very specific points in the public vote for Jade to be at risk)

This year however Craig could have come 7th in the public vote to get himself 5 points, and still have been saved over Jade if she came last, and as it is the only person who could have come lower than her on the public vote and still left her in the dance off would have been Ali ... and even if Jade had scored two public points craig would only have needed to come 6th in the public vote to get himself above her combined score.

So in the new system lower placed couples don't need to come nearly so far up the public vote to displace the judges favourites ... Craig needed three fewer places in the public vote to escape the dance this year than he would have last year ...

Thanks all for explaining. I'm still not sure if the new scoring is fairer then the old scoring will need to mull it over a bit more

From memory, in sports I think they use the old scoring method.

I think it's fairer in that in previous years when there was a tie in the judges scores it was practically impossible for people at the top of the judges leader board to be in the dance off ... so the BBC were asking you to save people that had no chance of being in the dance off ... under the new system, ties make it much easier for the top couples to be in the dance off, but when there are no ties the whole public vote has to be in the exact opposite order than the judges vote for the top two people judges scores to be in the dance off ...

Then again it comes down to what the majority want from SCD.
Whether you want celebs to reach the final on ability or mainly personality.

People placed at the top by the judges are put there because they were best on the night and should not have to face the dance off, and even if they are it will be a no contest and waste of time, like happened last week with Jo against Jan.

So on reflection I think the rule change was a bad idea.

the X factor way of dealing with a tie in the judges decision who to save is the fairest way of all. They go back to the public vote and in the case of a tie with the judges the one who had the lowest public vote gets eliminated.
That happened this last weekend on X factor.

No contest this week for the judges with Jo and Jade but previously where Len completely overturned the majority vote probably just for the hell of it, he wouldnt have been able to do it if a tie meant that they had to refer to the public vote.

... everyone's free to vote tho ... if the majority want the top couples to be safe from the dance off then the majority just have to vote for them!