I don't think girl groups will EVER do well on X Factor. I've only watched from the third series (and some of the second) but a lot of the good girl groups got sent home (notably the Dolly Rockers) at Judges' Houses, and in other cases the public's just turned on them. Conways, Hope and this time round Kandy Rain all got that treatment, and I think Miss Frank's time was limited. One trick ponies, mainly thanks to the fat one in the middle insisting on killing perfectly good songs with chavvy rapping.
Girl Groups: Is there any point in them on The X-Factor?
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I think Louis must be seriously regretting putting 2 girl groups through.
To compound his misery, his male group are dreadful, but for some reason, the public keep voting for them to stay.
To compound his misery, his male group are dreadful, but for some reason, the public keep voting for them to stay.
Originally Posted by Shadow2009:
“I actually thought Miss Frank were going to break the "tradition" of girl groups and get to at least Week 6 without bottom two. Was very dissapointed and let down when they got eliminated in only the third week!
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“I actually thought Miss Frank were going to break the "tradition" of girl groups and get to at least Week 6 without bottom two. Was very dissapointed and let down when they got eliminated in only the third week!
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I think a lot of people thought the same, myself included.
Originally Posted by Syntax Error:
“I think Louis must be seriously regretting putting 2 girl groups through.
To compound his misery, his male group are dreadful, but for some reason, the public keep voting for them to stay.”
“I think Louis must be seriously regretting putting 2 girl groups through.
To compound his misery, his male group are dreadful, but for some reason, the public keep voting for them to stay.
”
I think he put John and Edward through precisely because he feared an early exit from his other acts, and he figured he could at least have a longer run and a bit of fun with the twins
Imagine if he'd put through one of the other acts from his judges house stage - who, let's face it, were nothing special - he would probably have had all three of acts voted out in the first three or four weeks.
He wasn't exactly spoiled for choice with the hand he was dealt was he?
Originally Posted by Syntax Error:
“I know a girl group won over a boy group on Popstars: The Rivals, but that was a different format, but I really believe that there is little point in girl groups entering The X-Factor.
OK, Miss Frank were a bit ropey in their sing-off performance, but in actuality, they did not deserve to be in the bottom 2.
How can it be right that 3 ***** who have proven that they can sing are voted out & the likes of Lloyd & John & Edward, who've never sung well once, or Stacey, who was dreadful last Saturday are still in the competition?
It seems to me that there is little point in girl groups entering if there is no real fan base for them.
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“I know a girl group won over a boy group on Popstars: The Rivals, but that was a different format, but I really believe that there is little point in girl groups entering The X-Factor.
OK, Miss Frank were a bit ropey in their sing-off performance, but in actuality, they did not deserve to be in the bottom 2.
How can it be right that 3 ***** who have proven that they can sing are voted out & the likes of Lloyd & John & Edward, who've never sung well once, or Stacey, who was dreadful last Saturday are still in the competition?
It seems to me that there is little point in girl groups entering if there is no real fan base for them.
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Listen, if the spice girls can make it any girl band can.
people will vote for those they like ..regardless.
the tweenies out there will vote em mass for girl bands/boybands , they just just need to LIKE them first .
Miss Frank were good, and it's a shame they're gone as i would have like to have seen they're'journey' more.
Originally Posted by pgw71:
“I think he put John and Edward through precisely because he feared an early exit from his other acts, and he figured he could at least have a longer run and a bit of fun with the twins
Imagine if he'd put through one of the other acts from his judges house stage - who, let's face it, were nothing special - he would probably have had all three of acts voted out in the first three or four weeks.
He wasn't exactly spoiled for choice with the hand he was dealt was he?”
“I think he put John and Edward through precisely because he feared an early exit from his other acts, and he figured he could at least have a longer run and a bit of fun with the twins
Imagine if he'd put through one of the other acts from his judges house stage - who, let's face it, were nothing special - he would probably have had all three of acts voted out in the first three or four weeks.
He wasn't exactly spoiled for choice with the hand he was dealt was he?”
I think he's actually said as much, hasn't he? That he could have put through three girl groups and just watched them be voted out in the first three weeks.
J and E were a wildcard risk...but they're still there! (And likely to be for some time)
Definetely harder for girl groups. They really have to be exceptional to do well, in regard to the type of demographics who are voting. They need a polished girl group not one thats been formed 2 minutes ago, great singers and bags of personality. Along with that maybe a gimmick.
Originally Posted by curiousgeorge21:
“So Hope have done the best, and that was with Simon really pushing them to do well.”
“So Hope have done the best, and that was with Simon really pushing them to do well.”
Exactly - Danyl is this year's Hope- flogged to death by Simon, overrated and not popular with the public.
Lots of good points here and maybe useful advice for any future girl bands planing a quick ride to fame on the X Factor train.... be prepared for an office job! And that's a great shame cos we've seen some very good performances over the years.... which for some strange reason usually end during the live shows.
ps does anyone know what happened to the girl band who sang an impressive version of Toxic in the auditions? Maybe I missed them getting the thubs down
ps does anyone know what happened to the girl band who sang an impressive version of Toxic in the auditions? Maybe I missed them getting the thubs down
I don't know why they even bother with all singing groups as a genre anyway. They're not common.
If the public wanted lots of them then the charts would be full of them. But they're not.
Because if you look in the real world the majority of groups who are successful are 'bands'. They are a group who play instruments.
The public don't seem to want a lot of singing groups in general. The public limit them to only wanting 1 or 2 at a time. If there are no other big singing groups around then maybe you have a chance.
But the music scene isn't dominated by Boyzones and Westlifes, or Girls Alouds and Pussycat Dolls, they only seem to have room for 1 or 2 successful singing groups around at the same time.
At the moment as far as girl bands go, you've got Girls Aloud, Sugababes, and are Pussycat Dolls still around?
Then you've got The Saturdays as backup. If the public wanted more girl bands then they would go for them and the charts would have more of them around. But it appears that the girl band quota is full up now and I don't see space for another girl band coming along unless a couple of the existing ones split up.
Westlife slowing down or appear to be splitting (I don't even know if they are still around or not)? Then JLS have the opportunity to slip in there and replace them as a premier boy band. Which is how it seems to be working out.
But another JLS type boy band breaking through? Forget it. It's full up now, The public have got their 1 or 2 male singing groups, Take That are still knocking around, and now the door has closed again. You're pushing it if you expect the public to take on another one.
The vast majority of groups who successfully navigate the music charts play music and have a lead singer.
If the public wanted lots of them then the charts would be full of them. But they're not.
Because if you look in the real world the majority of groups who are successful are 'bands'. They are a group who play instruments.
The public don't seem to want a lot of singing groups in general. The public limit them to only wanting 1 or 2 at a time. If there are no other big singing groups around then maybe you have a chance.
But the music scene isn't dominated by Boyzones and Westlifes, or Girls Alouds and Pussycat Dolls, they only seem to have room for 1 or 2 successful singing groups around at the same time.
At the moment as far as girl bands go, you've got Girls Aloud, Sugababes, and are Pussycat Dolls still around?
Then you've got The Saturdays as backup. If the public wanted more girl bands then they would go for them and the charts would have more of them around. But it appears that the girl band quota is full up now and I don't see space for another girl band coming along unless a couple of the existing ones split up.
Westlife slowing down or appear to be splitting (I don't even know if they are still around or not)? Then JLS have the opportunity to slip in there and replace them as a premier boy band. Which is how it seems to be working out.
But another JLS type boy band breaking through? Forget it. It's full up now, The public have got their 1 or 2 male singing groups, Take That are still knocking around, and now the door has closed again. You're pushing it if you expect the public to take on another one.
The vast majority of groups who successfully navigate the music charts play music and have a lead singer.
Most groups are either entirely male or have perhaps a token female. This is neither 'right' or 'wrong' - just the way it is.
The whole concept of a girl band is a bit of a shaky one, and very few girl bands break through.
The whole concept of a girl band is a bit of a shaky one, and very few girl bands break through.
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