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No, Simon. It's YOUR fault Danyl is in the bottom.
jujubee
26-10-2009
Press stories my arse. Most people don't know or care about that. What they do pay attention to is you jumping up and down out of your chair like a 12 year old, hooting and hollering over mediocre performances, saying Danyl is "the best ever" at everything(when the viewers remember Leona Lewis VERY WELL), and undercutting great performances by other judges acts.

People don't buy into the Danyl hype, are sick of your bias and are voting accordingly. If you want to help Danyl you need to tone it down.


A LOT.
Denise
26-10-2009
Surely people should be voting on the performances of the contestants, not on the mentors/judges?
Green Goddess
26-10-2009
I never vote with the judges anyway, I only every vote on the performer and his/her performance. Hopefully so do most sensible people.
slappers r us
26-10-2009
Sorry but the press are having digs at Danyl

I stood and read a story about Lucie being hit by Joe but they vered off the story to say cocky Danyl was present when it happend

But then the press dont seem to know the difference between stage presence and cockyness
annieka123
26-10-2009
simon always says he only gives his opinion and i believe him. For these live shows he has stood up for all danyls performances, all except one of jamie's performances and at least one of olly's. He used to stand up alot for rhydian as well even though he wasnt his mentor. i honestly believe Simon stands up when he feels the urge to stand up. When he is excited by a performance. No matter how cynical i can be about loads of things - ie im not being naive - i think that does know what he is talking about a helluva lot of the time, is not only going on his own reactions but feeling the excitement of the audience as well and is honest about his opinions. ie he says it how HE sees it.

Why should anyone have to tone anything down. I like seeing simon excited by acts. Doesn't mean everyone agrees with him. Its his excitement. Does he have to pretend to feel what he isn't feeling.
lovecat86
26-10-2009
I agree that Simon is putting people's backs up. I think that might have been why I dreaded Danyl's comments in previous weeks.

HOWEVER

If people dislike Danyl because they find Simon's favouritisim annoying, it's quite a sorry state of affairs. An act should be judged on their own merit, not whether or not you like/agree with the judges. Yet another reason why I think the judges should simply judge and the acts should be mentored by other people.
wolfpaw
26-10-2009
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“
But then the press dont seem to know the difference between stage presence and cockyness”

The gutter press seem to get most of their 'stories' from this 'forum'
lovecat86
26-10-2009
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“Sorry but the press are having digs at Danyl

I stood and read a story about Lucie being hit by Joe but they vered off the story to say cocky Danyl was present when it happend

But then the press dont seem to know the difference between stage presence and cockyness”

Not only that but it also said (and please bear in mind that the story was about Joe and Lucie) that he threw a tantrum after being in the bottom two and that an inside source had said "He was shocked because he thinks he is the best there is" or some other crap. It's pathetic.
Candy Store
26-10-2009
Originally Posted by Denise:
“Surely people should be voting on the performances of the contestants, not on the mentors/judges?”

Indeed and that is exactly what people do or for other reasons why they like the contestant.

If you like Danyl and you agree with the hype, you will vote for him. If you don't like him, you were never going to vote for him anyway, hype or no hype.

If the majority of people thought the hype of Danyl was justified, there wouldn't be a problem. Simon has always hyped a contestant and sometimes more than one. Those contestants have only left the competition early when the public have wondered what he is on about.

Danyl's fans are skirting around the issue. The fact is he is nothing special, nothing different and not that popular.

Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“But then the press dont seem to know the difference between stage presence and cockyness”

Oh it does and so does most of the public.

Besides, Danyl doesn't have stage presence. Running, jumping and stomping around the stage while juggling the microphone and gurning does not equal stage presence. Stacey and Lucie have more stage presence in their sedate performances than Danyl has in his entire performances put together.
feisty
26-10-2009
Originally Posted by wolfpaw:
“The gutter press seem to get most of their 'stories' from this 'forum' ”

and I do believe you...I am very disappointed with the way this forum had gone this year
Christa
26-10-2009
I know nothing about the rumours as I don't read the tabloids. But personally I think he was in the bottom two because he's not that good. Never thought he was.

If Simone had chosen TreyC, Daniel Pearce & Nicole he'd be cruising along.
steal-your-pain
26-10-2009
It's because of Simon's pimping. It's made him the clear frontrunner, which has turned people against Danyl, and the press have taken advantage of this, making up press stories that people have bought into because they need reason to hate Danyl.

So yes, ultimately it's Simon's fault.
lou-kate
26-10-2009
Simon always favours the person he thinks he can take international - I think he thinks that Danyl stands the most chance on the American market. He does him no favours raving about him like he is the second coming, the public always dislike being told which way to vote.
Scrufox86
26-10-2009
It is not Simon's fault. It is only one person's fault and that is the contestant himself. Obviously the public can see that he is not as great as the judges are saying. Which he is not at all. The best of the overs is Afro but he is being pushed out in favour of the teacher. Teacher was in bottom 2 because he was not good. The twins should have been there also but somehow it ended up being miss Frank.

I am laughing at all the "crisis talks" that are now apparently going on. Maria Lawson and Laura White were both voted off the contest in thier respective years far too early and there were no such "crisis talks". I wonder why that was...
KBBJ
26-10-2009
Originally Posted by Candy Store:
“Indeed and that is exactly what people do or for other reasons why they like the contestant.

If you like Danyl and you agree with the hype, you will vote for him.”

Who says you have to like Danyl AND agree with the hype to vote for him? There seem to be a fair few Danyl fans on here - myself included - who believe Danyl is superb/great/good/complimentary adjective of your choice without supporting Simon's over-the-top behaviour.


Originally Posted by Candy Store:
“Besides, Danyl doesn't have stage presence. Running, jumping and stomping around the stage while juggling the microphone and gurning does not equal stage presence. Stacey and Lucie have more stage presence in their sedate performances than Danyl has in his entire performances put together.”

Subjective.
KBBJ
26-10-2009
In reply to another post about the press not knowing the difference between stage presence and cockiness:

Originally Posted by Candy Store:
“
Oh it does and so does most of the public.
”

Yet most dissenters on here seem unable to provide examples of Danyl's "cockiness" which aren't utterly laughable.

Dislike him all you want, but don't state what you can't back up.
Candy Store
26-10-2009
Originally Posted by KBBJ:
“In reply to another post about the press not knowing the difference between stage presence and cockiness:

Yet most dissenters on here seem unable to provide examples of Danyl's "cockiness" which aren't utterly laughable.

Dislike him all you want, but don't state what you can't back up.”

All I said is that there is a difference between stage presence and cockiness.

I don;t have problem with cockiness as long as it is warranted.
KatrinaK
26-10-2009
The press have not helped Danyls popularity with the public. We must at least acknowledge that...

However Simon at the same time needs to acknowledge that his over praise for Danyl has done him no favours at all. There is nothing worse that having a contestant shoved down peoples throats. Yes, he's good but let's not make him out to be the best thing since Elvis. It's only been three weeks, yet Simon is acting like Danyls a musical genius.

If anything I think Danyl being in the bottom two on Saturday was more of a knock to Simon than Danyl. It just goes to show not everyone takes everything of what Simon says as gospel. The public don't pander to him. One of the reasons why Simon 'was' the best judge was because of his objective, fair, truthful, honest demeanour. However this year, he's been full of incredible bias to his own acts and criticising stella performances (Lucie). The public are not blind. No matter how great a contestant is, if the mentor behaves like this, it does put people of voting.
beanbean
26-10-2009
Originally Posted by KBBJ:
“Who says you have to like Danyl AND agree with the hype to vote for him? There seem to be a fair few Danyl fans on here - myself included - who believe Danyl is superb/great/good/complimentary adjective of your choice without supporting Simon's over-the-top behaviour.

.”

Completely agree. I cringe at Simons comments/standing ovations from time to time. However i do think Danyl is one of the best singers this year and i would like to see him in the final.
Im not saying hes "world class" but i like watching him and dont think hes a horrible person nor do i think hes cocky like a lot of people on here do.
I wish they did a friday night show from the house like they used to then we could see what they are really like together in the house.
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