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More respect should be given to Artists/Song Writers
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I believe more respect should be given to artists that actually write their OWN music Look at the likes of cheryl cole she gets songwriters LOL no talent whatsover The likes of Lady Gaga Jay Sean Akon ? and more Right their own music? |
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Lady Gaga definitely does. Also Beyonce is a talented writer she co wrote every song on her last album.
Mariah Carey too is a great song writer. Heidi Range also. |
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Mariah Carey is the best singer/songwriter in the pop world, imo. She can make a shamelessly catchy/humorous song (i.e. Touch My Body/Obsessed) and then write amazingly poetic lyrics with brilliant melodies. She also wrote a lot of the music in her early career.
She makes me laugh sometimes because she uses words that aren't typically used in pop/rnb song that shows a certain level of intellect. For amazing Mariah lyrics I'd suggest the following songs: Languishing (interlude) "those ageless buried recollections, we transform them and select them" Reflections "reflections of your love have come to wither, I thought I'd done my best to memorise" My All "I am thinking of you, In my sleepless solitude tonight. If it's wrong to love you, then my heart just won't let me be right" When I Saw You "Soft, heavenly eyes, gazed into me, transcending space, and time. And I, was rendered still, there were no words, for me to find at all" Never Too Far "A place, in time, still belongs to us. Stays preserved in my mind. In the memories, there is solace" Also Shakira always amazes me at how she spent 6 months (or weeks can't remember lol) learning English and then managed to write such great songs herself. Beyonce too, although her last album was much less Beyonce, more that she came in and altered pre-written songs. She writes great RnB melodies and some really catchy songs too. She put a word into the dictionary for God's sake lol, (not that Bootylicious is some kind of profound proclomation lol). |
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Lady Gaga definitely does. Also Beyonce is a talented writer she co wrote every song on her last album.
Mariah Carey too is a great song writer. Heidi Range also. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdjtO4iKU-A "Knowles was accused of stealing "If I Were A Boy" from upcoming singer BC Jean. Journalist Roger Friedman of FoxNews.com published an account on October 14, 2008 of B.C. Jean's side of the story stating: She had no idea Beyonce had even recorded her song until a stranger called with the news . . . according to sources, she and her manager/mother [Lori Carlson] have been strong-armed by Beyonce’s people and others who saw gold in "If I Were a Boy" and didn’t care how they got it . . . plenty of people knew the saga of Beyonce’s manager/father Matthew Knowles’ aggressive pursuit of the publishing rights to the potential hit record. His goal was to get the rights to the song and to put Beyonce’s name on the writing credits. Knowles' name is not on the writing credits. Friedman placed blame on Toby Gad for Knowles' receiving of the song also writing in the same article: Altogether, I am told, B.C. Jean wrote and recorded about a dozen songs with Gad for an album the producer was planning to make of his own. When the deal fell apart, Gad — whose 300 plus credits are all co-written, never solo — took the songs and started marketing them to big name, established artists. Gad’s past "collaborators" include Fergie, on "Big Girls Don't Cry." Fox News reported that Beyonce and B.C. Jean had come to terms, part of their deal being that Knowles and Jean record a duet for Jean's debut CD.[5] |
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Either that or if a songwriter writes for a singer then the songwriter should get recognition for it. It annoys me because that situation is always technically a collaboration between two people, yet one takes all the credit.
Although I must say I pesonally much prefer people who write their own stuff over those who don't. |
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I will give respect, where it's due, and who's earned it.
I respect the likes of: take that, Mariah Cahrey, Elton John, and the late MJ - talented legends, that had class, busting a gut for the fans. not this pap nowdays, lyrics that can be written by 5 year olds, to name a few: "I wanna take a ride on your disco stick" what? rubbish. "oopsy daisy, I hurt you again" just laughable "these girls fall like dominoes, dominoes, these gir...." |
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Look at the likes of cheryl cole she gets songwriters LOL no talent whatsover
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Look at the likes of cheryl cole she gets songwriters LOL no talent whatsover
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LOL
Singing about love, hmm did she right the song NO Can she sing NO, Is she Overrated YESSS Everyone is killing her, it's just those mad fans of her's that made her go '1 |
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Can she sing NO
Respect should be given to songwriters, but at the same time disdain shouldn't be given to those who don't write their own stuff, like you are mindlessly throwing out. Tired musical snobbery, completely flying in the face of musical history, a lot of which was built on teams of songwriters having their tracks performed by artists (Motown says hi). |
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Yeh True
Think to yourself "Fight for this Love" in another 10 years will people remember it NO Imagine Fight for this love back to back UK #1, hmm doesnt make sence Now when fight for this love goes onto the billboard EUROCHART it will get killed #70 position my option. JLS - BEAT AGAIN went #6 IN EUROPE OVERALL Jay Sean - "Down" has sold over 2 million singles in the states alone |
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Think to yourself "Fight for this Love" in another 10 years will people remember it NO
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The FACT is its completly sh**, if she wasnt on the Xfactor that SONG would'nt even have finshed TOP 15
Along with Every Single Magazine Cover All that publicity, it just shows now in UK During Xfactor to get a UK #1 u need to perform on the xfactor |
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The fact is if she releases it in EUROPE that song is gonna go nowhere, as its really BAD
None of her Xfactor publicity etc will help her their No 1 will like the song |
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The FACT is its completly sh**, if she wasnt on the Xfactor that SONG would'nt even have finshed TOP 15
If she wasn't on X-Factor she'd still be very famous for being in Girls Aloud and married to Ashley Cole, so it's very likely it would have done well anyway. You appear to have taken the philosophy that because you don't like it, neither will anyone else outside of X-Factor drones. You're slightly deluded. |
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You'll find singing and dancing are both talents.
Face it, Cole is a prime example of marketing and style triumphing over substance. |
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How the hell can she be a judge on Xfactor, when she cant even sing herself!
Ridiculous, just shows simon only got her for her looks |
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I think without the X factor, L'oreal, overhyping of Cheryl...FFTL wouldn't have make the top 10.
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How the hell can she be a judge on Xfactor, when she cant even sing herself!
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Surely the songs actually have to be good though. Ndubz drone on all the time about writing all their songs but with lyrics like
"see all i did was blink twice, from my homie to my only" or "I like when you wear them material things But I like it more when you try my hat on with the strings" are we really expected to praise them? I'd rather acts use songwriters if it saves us from this nonsense. |
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I agree to some extent. Songwriters accept that they will probably never have their name in lights, so it's not like they are unfairly being ignored.
However, I don't like it fans of certain artists think the artist wrote the song themselves, and give the artist undue credit. I think this mainly applies with pop artists, when the fans say "OMG I LOVE HER LYRICS". Also, I feel it applies to rappers, who write the lyrics themselves, BUT, do NOT, compose the backing music - so when the fans say "all of his songs have a really good beat to them", they are assuming that the artist came up with it themselves. I know on the whole, the rapper will have solely composed the music, or co-produces it, but on the whole, NO. I don't think it matters with acts like Girls Aloud, who make no lies about they wrote it or not - they are marketed as a manufactured pop artists, who xenomania write their songs for, which I have no problem with. What really annoys me, is when artists actually do write their own songs, AND produce it, but still are seen as just singers. When people say, "Wow, I didn't know they wrote that song", I find it really annoying. The biggest example of this for me is Mariah Carey, who, on the whole, doesn't get the recognition she deserves for writing and producing all her songs (except the cover versions obviously). She actually writes the melody, lyrics and produces the track as well, and yet is just seen as a singer. |
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LiL Wayne's verse in "Down" is almost perfect. Read it Carefully amazingly contructed
even if the sky is falling down like she ‘posed to be she gets down low for me down like her temperature cuz to me she zero degrees she cold, over freeze I got that girl from overseas now she’s my Miss America now can I be her soldier please I’m fighting for this girl on the battlefield of love don’t it look like baby cupid sending arrows from above don’t you ever leave the side of me and definitely not probably and honestly I’m down like the economy# Don't u think? |
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I believe more respect should be given to artists that actually write their OWN music Look at the likes of cheryl cole she gets songwriters LOL no talent whatsover The likes of Lady Gaga Jay Sean Akon ? and more Right their own music? |
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Easy on Akon, he did write 'Right Now (Na Na Na)' after all. Average until the na-na-na's kick in, and then you realise your ears have been blessed.
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