Originally Posted by katmobile:
“I'm sorry but I don't buy your jealus hatus arguements. Lisa wasn't likely because she was over-marked and Brendan behaved like a tit about their marks although I really liked her Cherie was the same - either had much in the way of decent latin apart from Cherie's rhumba. Rachel was a lovely dancer but a personality vaccum and some of her dances were accomplished but dull - the foxtrot being a prime example. On the other hand Jodie and Christine were carried into the competition beyond their dancing abilities but what destroys your arguement that this was a former supermodel and a lady who was attractive enough to have been a model. No one was the complete package in series six but Austin was my favourite not because I fancied him (anyone who knows me knows my type runs to fair haired beanpoles i.e not gun-loaded little shorties) but because he was talented, had flair and a dry sense of humour which made me root for him before he even steped on the floor.
his year I'm rooting for Jade and on DS at least sex appeal is not doing anything to endear people to Ricky W that his dancing isn't. Also Chris and Ricky G aren't sex symbols people like their personalities and in their relationships with their partners. Craig's a sweet guy but I think people are just giving him the bone of Blackpool and he won't last much longer after that. The anti-woman vote of women hasn't saved Joe Calzagie or Rav Wilding. Ricky W who is the obvious hunk doesn't need the crumpet vote - his dancing is good enough to keep him on by itself and when he has a bad week the judges love him enough to mark him higher than other people would be. Laila is getting the votes when she needs them and she's not beaten with the ugly stick. I think there is just a very clear split between the talented dancers and the appealing personalities - with the good dancers being bland personalities and the less good having a lot of personality - for my money only Jade combines both but the public don't appear to love her I think like Denise Lewis perhaps she comes across as too agressive. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out but I don't think it's to do with sexism.”
Point is that none of Rachel , Lisa or Cherie had votes that matched their ability and the votes were out by a very large margin. You could argue whether Lisa and Rachel were top2 or top 5 and in what order but they were struggling at the
bottom of the public vote.
The Lisa overmarking argument is true but the cause wasthe judges responding to that she was already at the bottom of the vote. Not voting for her because she was being overmarked seems unfair - its not her fault and it doesn't alter the point that she may have deserved 38 rather than 40 anyway.
I don't believe the personality argument. I think its just a female audience inherently finding male celebrities more attractive. There was no evidence that Rachel had less personality than Tom and the producers spent ages on ITT and in the VTs showing precisely the opposite and that she had one of the closest relationships on the shows with Vincent. Change the venue and the audience and the close ups and the tour crowds seem to reverse the decision over who shows most personality or is more passionate in their dancing.
Its true that females have had journey stories and you are right its more complex but none of the female journey stories have won either. You are right too something has happened to the anti-judge vote - though it may be it was going to just too many people and Joe was too bad to save him.
We don't know anything much about Ricky W's popularity - he could be like Ray on DOI very safe if not leading and bound to win or he could be getting Ray and Spooney's problem plus negatives for being too good. Anton (either support for him or sympathy for Laila ) I think explains Laila's success. I can see a personality argument for Ricky G , Phil , or Craig - but I would avoid all of them and Chris would fail my personality interview even for giving the weather forecast. I don't think that disproves the point though because on what I am watching its clear that Zoe, Ali and Jade are all at least as inspiring personalities as those 4, they are all trying as hard and they have at least as good a relationship with their partners. The point is that even bland or blokish males are leading much more capable females in the voting and there's nothing objective in all the VTs we see to support that other than that one message gets through to voters and another doesn't..Even Jo has gone first with a more positive personality and better journey story and about the same ability as Craig.
I think its a mess. Jade has been bottom two too and may just knock out or be knocked out by Ali. She can't act so I don't see her pulling anything great out. Laila has Anton which gets her votes but leaves her good at only half the dances. I can see weeks of, whichever of Ali or Jade isn't in the top 2, knocking weaker people out in dance offs until they meet eachother or Ricky W and then us ending up with Ricky W in the final against someone who should have gone out a month or more before.
PRICELESS!!
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