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Ali and Brian in the dance off...what???
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Bonnie96
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by Abbasolutely 40:
“There is a huge difference between and elective proceedure 5 days prevoius , and a ? broken toe 3 hours previous .
I worked in A+E for a while and believe me , I am very surprised that she could put that foot under her .A badly stubbed toe will casue the nerve ending to dance as if on fire and make you feel nauseated ,. I am in awe that she walked never mind dance on that injury”

She stubbed her toe earlier in the week - she was on Breakfast Wednesday or Thursday I think it was showing the presenters.
thenetworkbabe
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“It did surprise me, I thought she would have gained a big "sympathy" vote for clearly being injured.
That said, people here condemn sympathy votes for other contestants..why should Ali be any different ?
If everyone voted for the best performance on the night, I can find little excuse for voting for anyone other than Ricky Whittle..with the possible exception of Jade (though you would have to provide a very convincing argument)
As it stands, the public do not vote logically..come to think of it, the programme would become pretty boring if they did.”

It wouldn't be boring . If you define logical to include dance related reasons there's a real choice of styles between Ali, Ricky W, Laila, Jade and Zoe. You might also look at the competition and who is improving and who needs to stay because their improvement might take them somewhere - that probaly means keeping Chris and Nathalie till you see their potential. You would still end up with a quality final if the front runners got there or if someone overtook them. There would be 5 -7 people who might make it to the SF which is enough of a race for anyone.

Randomness where anyone can go however good and anyone can stay however poor, just isn't entertaining - it just makes it pointless starting the story as someone else will write a conclusion that doesn't fit anything that went before and most stories that you follow will end pointlessly. Noel Edmonds makes millions from shows based on watching randomness unfold but its a recipe for getting his audience and losing SCD's audience.

The problem is when people vote because the judges dared to say someone dances like a dad at a wedding when thats how they dance or because someone looks hunky or because someone wants to go to Blackpool.Thats got nothing to do with dancing and just ensures that the improving people who could get somewhere worth going don't get time to improve and the best in the competition don't make the end. That just produces poor finals and it gets worse next year as it probably puts more and more people off voting as they think the results will be nonsensical anyway.
thenetworkbabe
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by bobbla:
“I really don't understand this teachers pet stance. She's been pulled apart by the judges as much as the others and in some cases more. Has Jade ever had a mauling by the judges? I could be wrong but i don't remember an instance. Has Natalie ever actually been critiqued on her dance ability?

She's had a mauling by them on more than one occasion when others doing worse are praised for their enthusiasm and glaring errors and technique are not mentioned.

People see what they want to see i guess, me included.”

If anything Jade's comments have been inflated and her marks realistic. She's frankly dull but the judges havn't made the point clearly as she's not an actor or a singer and they are not expecting more and she is getting better. Ali's marking has been tough love because they expect her to be the best and sometimes mark her on her own scale or penalise her for Brian's complexity. Ali acting too weakly is still more acting than Jade can muster.

Its perfectly possible to be fairly objective about whats there's and roughly what order the dancers should be ranked in if people are open about all the dancers . The problem is weighing factors and some people seem to think that sending the hopeless Craig to Blackpool or keeping people who show no sign at all of progressing beyond mediocre is more important than actually keeping the better dancers and the real improvers in.
Ignazio
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“If anything Jade's comments have been inflated and her marks realistic. She's frankly dull but the judges havn't made the point clearly as she's not an actor or a singer and they are not expecting more and she is getting better. Ali's marking has been tough love because they expect her to be the best and sometimes mark her on her own scale or penalise her for Brian's complexity. Ali acting too weakly is still more acting than Jade can muster.

Its perfectly possible to be fairly objective about whats there's and roughly what order the dancers should be ranked in if people are open about all the dancers . The problem is weighing factors and some people seem to think that sending the hopeless Craig to Blackpool or keeping people who show no sign at all of progressing beyond mediocre is more important than actually keeping the better dancers and the real improvers in.”

I haven't seen Ali act, but whatever skills she possesses certainly deserted her on Saturday.

And that of course is their prerogative.
bobbla
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by mindyann:
“It depends what you mean by teacher's pet. As Ian politely pointed out the other week, the scores didn't match the comments for their own dance.

Regardless of the comments, Ali has been above Jade on the leaderboard except for week 5 and this week. She has topped the leaderboard twice, which Jade has not done at all and she has been above Natalie every week. I wonder what they would rather have ... pretty comments or pretty scores and a good leaderboard position

If they had said the same to her as they did Phil the week after his surgery, basically we understand and applaud you for actually dancing but we can only mark what we see ... it might have been different for her.”

The comments do matter though, just as much as the scoring.

The scores and leaderboard do reflect on the whole what she deserves. Compared to most of the others she is technically superior.

But the comments don't often match. Instead they pull her technique apart and say they're disappointed that shes not fulfilling her potential etc etc and then give her decent scores. Or like on Saturday, they over emphasise how bad her injury was and then give her decent scores

The scoring reflected the complicated choreography she was dancing but what impression are the comments giving to the public?

When compared with someone who receives little or no criticism and is then scored low (reflecting their technical ability) the impression thats left for the audience at home is that she's a teachers pet who is being over scored.

When the scores didn't reflect what had been said with Ian and Jade it worked in their favour - same as with Natalie. The viewers think well the judges loved it and their scores don't reflect that - oh i know lets throw a vote their way.

The opposite is true for Ali because in actuality they are undermining her with the viewing public all the time - far from being a teachers pet imo
Christa
02-11-2009
Given that she is pretty, blonde & a good dancer - I've been very surprised she hasn't been in the dance off before now.

I know by experience how British housewives vote.
Christa
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by KipsKaz:
“Why am I not surprised the 'hate' campaign for Ali has started? It's already getting quite venomous on the Beeb boards

I just can't understand why. With Kelly and Lisa ('hate' figures from the previous seasons) I just assumed it was the Brendan factor, but Ali is with one of the nicest pro dancers and hasn't had a bad word to say about anyone ”

The only surprise is that it took this long.
ESPIONdansant
02-11-2009
Oh, the old "envious older women" accusation.

Louisa Lytton was lovely and I found her enthusiasm delightful. I liked Kelly a lot!
Ali is just dull. So was Rachel. How does that square with the hypothesis?

Nothing to do with youth or attractiveness. All about personality. Or perceived lack thereof.
diddygirl
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by Christa:
“Given that she is pretty, blonde & a good dancer - I've been very surprised she hasn't been in the dance off before now.

I know by experience how British housewives vote. ”

Are you hinting at us that you're Colleen Nolan?
Strictly_Irish
02-11-2009
The reason I don't like Ali has nothing to do with envy! I'm younger than her, for start. Laila is one of my favourites and she's STUNNING. Best looking female ever on SCD.
bobbla
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by Christa:
“Given that she is pretty, blonde & a good dancer - I've been very surprised she hasn't been in the dance off before now.

I know by experience how British housewives vote. ”

Oi i'm an older woman (well 38 lol) and i love Ali and voted for her

I think she has everything going for her. Just because shes not as loud and in your face as others doesn't mean she has no personality. Some people prefer more extrovert characters and some of us appreciate Ali's more gentle character.

I'd much rather see her showing her vulnerability than to put a false face on, bounce around like a demented bunny and pretend to be something shes not.
Vic
02-11-2009
I'm older than Ali but I wouldn't vote for her and I'm certainly not jealous of her...there again I'm not a housewife either.

I don't buy that women are always jealous of younger, attractive types.
reclinewithme
02-11-2009
Never mind the smiling, I thought Ali and Brian's paso was really beautiful, so yes, I was surprised they were in the bottom two. I thought the coreography was pitched just right in terms of being manageable for Ali and showing off her strengths, yet it was still interesting and inventive. She really does have incredibly graceful arm movements, and the shape she made at the end was just lovely.
Yoshi Fan
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by Glinny:
“I thought it was a very poor performance from her. Did not seem at all comfortable. Also I do not feel any warmth towards her at all. In my opinion she comes across as a bit of an ice maiden. Very insipid with a very false smile.

She has no personality either which I think is why the viewers did not vote for her.”

Agreed.

I also feel she's getting preferential treatment from the judges...take this week, they "took her injury into consideration." OK, that's fine. But why did they not consider Phil's injury a couple of weeks back?
Spinaker5
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by Yoshi Fan:
“Agreed.

I also feel she's getting preferential treatment from the judges...take this week, they "took her injury into consideration." OK, that's fine. But why did they not consider Phil's injury a couple of weeks back?”

Come on that just isn't true. If anyone got preferential treatment this week it was Natalie Cassidy
Abbasolutely 40
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by Spinaker5:
“Come on that just isn't true. If anyone got preferential treatment this week it was Natalie Cassidy”


I agree , not one judge mentioned he clunky feet and lack of pointed toes, wide open mouth etc , Yet Alesha wanted to tape Chris mouth shut . Odd she didnt see Natalies then
Starpuss
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by reclinewithme:
“Never mind the smiling, I thought Ali and Brian's paso was really beautiful, so yes, I was surprised they were in the bottom two. I thought the coreography was pitched just right in terms of being manageable for Ali and showing off her strengths, yet it was still interesting and inventive. She really does have incredibly graceful arm movements, and the shape she made at the end was just lovely.”

It was beautiful. I normally don't like the paso but Ali's was lovely. So lyrical.
Ignazio
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by Starpuss:
“It was beautiful. I normally don't like the paso but Ali's was lovely. So lyrical.”

Forgive me - but since when was the Paso lyrical?

Arrogant, aggressive and autocratic - yes; but lyrical?
philsuarez@mac.
03-11-2009
I think she was representing the cape so her dancing did have that flowing, swishing feel. SCD and X Factor are very similar in that people don't vote for quality.
Ignazio
03-11-2009
Originally Posted by reclinewithme:
“Never mind the smiling, I thought Ali and Brian's paso was really beautiful, so yes, I was surprised they were in the bottom two. I thought the coreography was pitched just right in terms of being manageable for Ali and showing off her strengths, yet it was still interesting and inventive. She really does have incredibly graceful arm movements, and the shape she made at the end was just lovely.”

And so she should after her previous training.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/...5875-21750964/
diddygirl
03-11-2009
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“And so she should after her previous training.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/...5875-21750964/”

She was there from the ages 10 - 13, I went to gymnastics for that period of my life, I doubt I could do so much as a forward roll these days!!! PMSL at the lame attempt at the traditional "oh, they've had dance lessons" line.
Abbasolutely 40
03-11-2009
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“And so she should after her previous training.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/...5875-21750964/”

I did Irish dancing from age 5 till I was about 10 .
I am quiet sure that I wouldnt be the lead dancer in RiverDance on the back of it !!! LOL
Starpuss
03-11-2009
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Forgive me - but since when was the Paso lyrical?

Arrogant, aggressive and autocratic - yes; but lyrical?”

Pasos can certainly be lyrical. I personally hate the aggressive, posturing type of paso. That is the obvious way of translating the relationship that it portrays. To take what is seen by some as the beauty of the relationship is much more subtle.

Originally Posted by philsuarez@mac.:
“I think she was representing the cape so her dancing did have that flowing, swishing feel. SCD and X Factor are very similar in that people don't vote for quality.”

Indeed. We are just shown the superficial, high impact type of paso as that is what the audience seems to want.
tangos_with_tim
03-11-2009
I thought Ali's Paso was beautiful! I tried to vote for her, but we had to pause the tv early on in the show to get medication down the guinea pig and do the washing up! Damn that 15 min voting window, I was too late!

In terms of personality I think Ali is coming across much better than Rachel, she is so silly in training and clearly has a great relationship with Brian, romance or not.
SheShe
03-11-2009
Originally Posted by Christa:
“Given that she is pretty, blonde & a good dancer - I've been very surprised she hasn't been in the dance off before now.

I know by experience how British housewives vote. ”

Do you really?

I'm a British housewife and I voted for Ali!
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