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Old 05-03-2004, 22:39
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Im gonna have to go with Corrie. A few years ago you wouldn't catch me dead saying that, but ever since the Richard Hillman storyline Corrie has ruled the roost in my eyes. The acting is great, the characters (especially the young ones) are excellent as well. How does Eastenders retaliate? It brings Dirty Den back from the dead, totally desperate.

Plus EE has some of the most tedious characters EVER namely the Ferriera's and Vicki. The only decent characters at the moment are Kat ,Alfie and Nanna Moon.

Im stunned as to why EE won at NTA 's last year. A total joke if you ask me.
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Old 05-03-2004, 23:10
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both are very good but i'd give corrie the edge.EE has the ferrieras and daft gangster storylines.as if andy could just walk away from his lifestyle-did they give him a P45?and why didn't he take out a contract on kat and alfie?some gangster.
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Old 06-03-2004, 07:40
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DEFINATELY CORRIE EE is full of crap characters withe even crappier storylines written by the PC luvvies of the beeb It is an insult to anyones intelligence. Do like me vote with your remote. Switch off
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Old 06-03-2004, 10:45
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At the moment i would say coronation street but i change my mind all the time...when richard hillman was there corrie was unbeatable...and im pretty bored with the whole janine thing...i cant wait to see her go...
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Old 06-03-2004, 13:37
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Definately Eastenders. It's a bigger part of british "culture" and always has been, e.g more media attention without a doubt
Most Eastenders actors are seen as "celebrities" (some corrie ones ar but only one or two)
East enders has mainly higher ratings
Eastenders has had and has now more rememberable storylines,
If you asked people to name as many Eastenders And Corrie sortlines then definately eastenders would get way more.
EE tackles important issues (Corrie does as well but Eastenders isn't afraid to show them) such as Little Mo and Trevor, Laura and Bobby, Ash and gambling, Little Mo and Graeme, Kate and her Dad, JJ Yolande and Patrick and loads more.
Corries ratings sway alot and Eastenders has a high constant level of viewers and higher in big storylines.
EE is a sort of living legand, if a big event happens everyone talks about it, for example D.Dens return, everyone went mad about that, on the radios, papers etc etc. And corrie had only really Richard Hillman, where Eastenders has had loads.

So even though people on here are pathetically bitter when Eastenders win awards, Eastenders still is the front runner and will probly always be the front runner, as it is a landmark in british tv.
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Old 06-03-2004, 14:38
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Personally I like Corrie but have given up on Deadenders.
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Old 06-03-2004, 16:25
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Both soaps seem to have highs and lows Ratings Wise. I will admit I do watch Coronation Street more than Eastenders, though.
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Old 06-03-2004, 16:28
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Most Eastenders actors are seen as "celebrities" (some corrie ones ar but only one or two)
I definitely agree with that. Most of your post was agreeable, except for the British culture resemblance.. frankly I just don't see a resemblance with Eastenders and the area where I live..
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Old 06-03-2004, 16:50
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Eastenders all the way for me.

I just dont get Corrie. I've tried several times over the years to give it a chance but I just think its awful. It reminds me aof a pantomime where its all ott and slapstick.

I wonder how much the North/South thing comes into it?
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Old 06-03-2004, 17:56
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Corrie definitely! EE hasn't been as good as it once was for Ages now!
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Old 06-03-2004, 19:05
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Originally posted by richthe4th
So even though people on here are pathetically bitter when Eastenders win awards, Eastenders still is the front runner and will probly always be the front runner, as it is a landmark in british tv.
You are talking rubbish and obviously work for the beeb Eastenders is the most depressing politically correct load of TOSH on TV today. Who on earth believes east end folk behave like this is mad, The storylines are ludicrous and an insult to anyones intelligence. CRAP PROGRAM, CRAP WRITERS AND CRAP ACTORS
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Old 06-03-2004, 19:42
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Originally posted by alan45
You are talking rubbish and obviously work for the beeb Eastenders is the most depressing politically correct load of TOSH on TV today. Who on earth believes east end folk behave like this is mad, The storylines are ludicrous and an insult to anyones intelligence. CRAP PROGRAM, CRAP WRITERS AND CRAP ACTORS
1) I didn't say I beleived that east-end people act like people on Eastenders.
2) If it is such a crap program why does it continue to get the weeks highest ratings on most weeks.
3) I can't see how you can call an opinion "rubbish", it's an opinion!
4) Depressing - who wants to watch people whose lives always go well and don't have any downsm, not many people.
5) "crap" writers and "Crap" actors - as I said Eastenders is popular, without the actors and writers there wouldn't be an eastenders, so they obviously aren't "crap".
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Old 06-03-2004, 20:27
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Originally posted by NewWoman
Eastenders all the way for me.

I just dont get Corrie. I've tried several times over the years to give it a chance but I just think its awful. It reminds me aof a pantomime where its all ott and slapstick.

I wonder how much the North/South thing comes into it?
Me too - I just can't take it seriously, but I don't know why.
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Old 06-03-2004, 20:54
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Originally posted by richthe4th
1) I didn't say I beleived that east-end people act like people on Eastenders.
2) If it is such a crap program why does it continue to get the weeks highest ratings on most weeks.
3) I can't see how you can call an opinion "rubbish", it's an opinion!
4) Depressing - who wants to watch people whose lives always go well and don't have any downsm, not many people.
5) "crap" writers and "Crap" actors - as I said Eastenders is popular, without the actors and writers there wouldn't be an eastenders, so they obviously aren't "crap".
1. The writers are trying to convince us that it is a realistic portrayal of real east enders-- obviously they fail
2. The weeks it gets the highest ratings it is usually due to the omnibus edition -- FACT
3, You can have a rubbish opinion as well as a good opinion and in my opinion your opinion of eastenders is rubbish you may not agree with me but in my opinion bothyour opinion and eastenders is rubbish and in my opinion eastenders is rubbish
4. Eastenders is 95% depressing
5. Obviously they are crap read the other posts, and just also read what pople say about the Ferrias and the complete s**t story about Janine and Barry - total crap and completely unbeliveable and impossible. Under no circumstances could she have arranged a cremation so soon- that is but one mere example of the producers treating the audience as fools

Your reply confirms what i thought you are a PC bbc luvvie
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Old 06-03-2004, 21:03
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i thought it was strange how janine killed barry on jan 1st and had an inquest(which always happens in suspicious deaths) and had him cremated by jan 3rd.it could not happen,especially over Hogmanay which involves bank holidays on jan 1 AND 2.artistic licence gone mad.mind you ,this is the show that spawned the monkey man-maybe we shouldn't be surprised.
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Old 06-03-2004, 21:06
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No contest!

Corrie wins every time !!

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Old 06-03-2004, 21:48
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Neither Soaps are exactly realistic. But EE seems to exist in its own world. What get's up my nose is when they have a wedding and they celebrate it in the square with all the cast there all happy. Lets face facts, the East End was like that 40 years ago not anymore. London is a very cold unfriendly place, most people don't even know their next door neighbours (I know this as a friend lives there) there is no such thing as communtiy in London. Most of the characters wouldn'tbe able to afford to live there either.

I hate that Eastenders is seen as cool and trendy when Corrie and Emmerdale are far better. I guess its all those southern journo's not giving Corrie a chance.

It ain't for old women anymore.
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Old 07-03-2004, 00:22
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Originally posted by Twinkle Toes

I hate that Eastenders is seen as cool and trendy when Corrie and Emmerdale are far better. I guess its all those southern journo's not giving Corrie a chance.

It ain't for old women anymore.
Precisely --- I rest my case
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Old 07-03-2004, 00:56
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Emmerdale, clearly

But Corrie as well...

There's nothing more to say about the dire state of Eastenders this past year - Janine is actually a saving grace - it's all been said in this thread. Oh apart from the fact it's been DULL as you like. 2003 and so far 2004 have been it's worst year since I've watched it. Every soap goes through phases, and Enders is on a definite downer lately. Emmerdale and Corrie continue to shine. Maybe the order will change again at some point, but for now EE is truly dire.
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Old 07-03-2004, 02:00
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Originally posted by richthe4th
Definately Eastenders. It's a bigger part of british "culture" and always has been, e.g more media attention without a doubt
Err, no. Richard Hillman had a TON of press attention and before you cite that as a "one-off", who was on the FRONT page of The Sun (with a fairly big picture) only a mere few days ago? Ashley kissing Clare. Something as minor as THAT made the front page. Whenever big plots come up, they get just as much press coverage, so do when characters get the axe. Nothing more to be said.

Most Eastenders actors are seen as "celebrities" (some corrie ones ar but only one or two)
Firstly, this has what to do with the quality of the shows? A case of trying to prove a point by clutching at anything.
But anyway, yes we have Jessie Wallace who gets more press attention simply by going out on the town and getting into all sorts of trouble, Elaine Lordon the alcoholic, Shane Richie who most people knew beforehand...and that leaves what considering those three probably consume two thirds of Eastenders related press coverage that has nothing to do with the show?
At the end of the day it's meaningless, and the fact is Corrie stars get their fair share of tabloid columns as well..

Eastenders has mainly higher ratings
The past year I do believe Corrie's have averaged a bit higher on the whole...

Eastenders has had and has now more rememberable storylines,
If you asked people to name as many Eastenders And Corrie sortlines then definately eastenders would get way more.
Yes, let's check the memorable AND/OR likeable Corrie plots from the past year, and Eastenders's memorable and likeable plots from the same period of time. Corrie would absolutely rain down on it from this angle, and I'm sure many would agree. Apart from Janine and Barry, and a small part of Den's return, I'm not sure I can name one Enders storyline that's been particularly great in 2003/04.
Looking at its entire history is irrelevent, although frankly I could name just as many great storylines from Corrie's past, probably more. Perhaps you don't realise that millions of people also love Corrie because of its delightful subplots, great characters and humour. It's not all about big "everything and the kitchen sink" stories, and Enders largely fails to do these small things anywhere near as good.

EE tackles important issues (Corrie does as well but Eastenders isn't afraid to show them) such as Little Mo and Trevor, Laura and Bobby, Ash and gambling, Little Mo and Graeme, Kate and her Dad, JJ Yolande and Patrick and loads more.
This is all fine and dandy, but doesn't always a great show make. Little Mo's recent rape was totally unnecessary - just seemed so forced. Some issues are handled extremely well, but I wouldn't set it ahead of Corrie when it comes to that, especially when Corrie's had it's own decent share of "issue tackling", namely Rita's child abuse thing most recently.

Corries ratings sway alot and Eastenders has a high constant level of viewers and higher in big storylines.
Urgh...see above replies..

EE is a sort of living legand, if a big event happens everyone talks about it, for example D.Dens return, everyone went mad about that, on the radios, papers etc etc. And corrie had only really Richard Hillman, where Eastenders has had loads.
A living legend? What, and Corrie isn't? It's been gonig for 40 odd years and still going strong. And Julie Goodyear's initial return sparked just as much interest as Den's as I recall. Tracy and Croppers, Steve and Karen, Martin and Katy, Todd being gay, Peter the bigamist...ALL received more attention than any Eastenders plot from the past year besides Den pretty much. Liz and Jim returning for that episode a while back was front page news...

So even though people on here are pathetically bitter when Eastenders win awards, Eastenders still is the front runner and will probly always be the front runner, as it is a landmark in british tv.
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Old 07-03-2004, 02:12
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Very well said Drifter. EE has been crap of late, bar a few stories, and Emm/Corrie are far better.

Wth regard to ratings, I think the EE omnibus helps it no end.
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Old 07-03-2004, 10:59
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I used to adore EE, never missed and episode etc, but haven't watched it in about 2 years now, I've occasionally tried to get back into it, but find that there is nothing there that grabs my attention anymore, I've no interest in pathetic gangster storylines and was quite frankly getting sick of the way everything revolved round the Slaters. Corrie on the otherhand has kept me vastly entertained over the past years, it's had storylines I've loved and characters I really care about. I still occasionally catch a Sunday's omnibus of EE, and barely get more then 30 minutes through it before wandering off to do something else, maybe I'm compeltely out of touch with the show, but there's nothing at the moment to hook me into going back to watching it. Corrie wins by a mile for me.
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Old 07-03-2004, 21:20
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I can't even recall the last time I watched Coronation St, I only catch up with what's going on in it by reading the papers and the soap mags it just does not interest me at all. For me it's for old foggies [sp?]. EastEnders is my fave soap and has been for years. Sure it's going through a bad patch right now but a bit of tweaking [namely getting rid of the god awful ferraia family [never know how to spell that!] bar Ash, he's about the only decent one in that family - oh and Tariq too. And possibly getting rid of Louise Berridge] and it'll be back on top. Besides all soaps go through bad patches from time to time and all soaps have to be on top at some point.

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Old 07-03-2004, 22:10
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East enders has mainly higher ratings
If you discount the omnibus edition (of which Coronation Street has only just gained a national syndicated one recently) Corrie is almost always ahead of Eastenders. I think in 2002 it beat EE 51 weeks out of 52 excluding omnibus figures.

As for which is best. Corrie has:

- Warm, richly drawn characters
- Stories drawn from the characters themselves (mostly) with the characters behaving in the way you would expect them to.
- Excellent comedy and gifted comic actors
- Writers who obviously care about their characters
- A legacy of 40 years of history, which thanks to writers like Daran Little is used and often recalled in scripts.
- An interaction between characters who are not actually involved in storylines together. Just like a real community

Eastenders has:

- Characters shoehorned into the show for a story and then left with nothing to do. (The woman with the nuisance neighbour, the ferreiras. etc.....)
- People whose character changes to suit the plot. ( Lisa, downtrodden virgin to sexpot to downtrodden wifey to violent gun woman to alcoholic to gunner again to..... do we really care?)
- Sensationalised plots clearly shoehorned in to up the ratings (Back from the dead.... Dynasty territory. What shall we do with Little Mo, I know lets have her raped again)
- The woeful attempts at humour (Pat and Mo's weightloss, anything with Jim Branning, oh how my sides ache)

Any guesses which I prefer?

Incidentally, anyone who wants to know how I know so much about EE. My girlfriend insists on watching it. Still we can't all be perfect.
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Old 07-03-2004, 22:19
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If you discount the omnibus edition (of which Coronation Street has only just gained a national syndicated one recently) Corrie is almost always ahead of Eastenders. I think in 2002 it beat EE 51 weeks out of 52 excluding omnibus figures.
LoL, I'd love to see where you "got" them stats from !! And why are you discounting the Omnibus Edition? It's the same watching that as watching any other weekly episode.
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