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Hope Rachel can do a Jennifer Hudson
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Boxfresh
02-11-2009
Not comparing their voices or vocal styles or anything (which arre not remotely similar). I just think Rachel was probably the only contestant this year with genuine "star quality", even if the voters never took to her.

Jennifer Hudson had that on American Idol, but Simon Cowell (as with Rachel) never particularly liked or rated Hudson. She got voted out in a fairly low 7th place.It's only after Hudson went on to achieve all her success (Oscar, Grammys, platinum albums ect) did Simon say he got it wrong about Hudson.

Rachel is young, and she's got years to improve on her craft and vocals. I hope someone takes notice of her quality, and the fact that she is a potentially marketable act. She may have to end up going to America to find some success first (like Estelle) before the British public take to her.

Hudson's success shows that you can be considered an afterthought in a big competition like X-Factor and American Idol, and get voted out early, and still go on to do big things.

It would be highly ironic if Rachel ended up the most succesful act from this season. Looking at what's left, I don't even think it's that far-fetched a thought.
Damien.
02-11-2009
I honestly had no idea that Jennifer Hudson was on AI. How many years ago was it?
Boxfresh
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by Damien.:
“I honestly had no idea that Jennifer Hudson was on AI. How many years ago was it?”

She was on the third season, which was in 2004.

So that's 5 years ago now.
Jazz_Misuc
02-11-2009
I think she can actually. And I'm a very cynical person.

Apparently there is American interst in her but that's all I've heard. Good luck to her.
DamienAB
02-11-2009
Best thing that could have happened to her.

The mentors have been awful as usual Rachel got such bad advice from Danni remember her audition before she was picked to go into the final and how good that was.

We never saw that kind of soul once she got into the live shows because of poor song choices. and scrubbing of individual identity's. From the first week you could tell that Danni had no clue what to do with Rachel.

But these shows can be a poisoned chalice for the wrong winners,see acts like Leona work because she fits into what being a Simon Cowell artist is all about,and she does that well,and i can see why Alexandra also won that year, Simon desperately wanted a UK version of Beyonce.

What would he do with someone like Rachel?

this year's lineup has been very lackluster there's no one left who Simon could take to the states and say this is an artist who could stand toe to toe with your best.
Boxfresh
02-11-2009
bump.
Gillypoots
02-11-2009
Rachel has a good voice but there are a number of good black female singers vying for success. It's not a easy market as the really big breakthrough artists are few and far between.

If Rachel can earn a decent living from singing then she will be one of the lucky ones, but that doesn't necessarily equate to chart success.
Boxfresh
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by Gillypoots:
“Rachel has a good voice but there are a number of good black female singers vying for success. It's not a easy market as the really big breakthrough artists are few and far between.

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Yeah, fortunately for Rachel, most of those "good black female" singers haven't been performing in front of 13 million people every weekend, for 3 weeks. They haven't been told by Whitney Houston and Michael Buble that she was the most impressive of the X-Factor contestants this year.

Rachel has been given a huge platform to show her talent, just like Jenifer Hudson was. It's up to her how she capitalises on it, but she's got a significant advantadge over the average unknown female singer trying to break into the music industry. .
Georgiecats
02-11-2009
Rachel was never going to do well. Despite having a good voice she never seemed to get into any sort of style for herself. She started off trying to be Rihanna - we don't need another one of those. Then she did better but this week when she could have chosen a great rock anthem girls song with her great voice say like Pink or something but sang U2 in a frock.

She was always going back to the bottom 2 on that.
MissMatch
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by Boxfresh:
“I just think Rachel was probably the only contestant this year with genuine "star quality", even if the voters never took to her.
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I personally think Rachel needed star quality and the reason why she was so unpopular was because she had none whatsoever. I hope I haven't offended anyone by saying that!
DamienAB
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by Georgiecats:
“Rachel was never going to do well. Despite having a good voice she never seemed to get into any sort of style for herself. She started off trying to be Rihanna - we don't need another one of those. Then she did better but this week when she could have chosen a great rock anthem girls song with her great voice say like Pink or something but sang U2 in a frock.

She was always going back to the bottom 2 on that.”

It does make you wonder what sort of music the judges listen to given some of the song choices they make week after week.

Some of the choices this week for the contestants were shocking.Also why do people keep saying she was trying to be Rihanna? Just because she had the same hairstyle?
meglosmurmurs
02-11-2009
It seems like Danyl is the one that's aiming for an Oscar.
balamakash
02-11-2009
I have a feeling that Rachel could have some kind of success were she to pursue a more alternative path, try something rockier. Her voice reminded me at times of Skin from Skunk Anansie, and going by her look on this morning, shewould make a pretty good front woman with a band.

She just needs to show she can make some decent music, and not be a cookie-cutter superstar making generic. Hence why it is probably best she never got further. She never would have fitted in on theX-Factor
Ethereal
02-11-2009
I don't think she will do a thing. The public didn't warm to her so she will find it very hard to appeal to people.
Boxfresh
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by MissMatch:
“I personally think Rachel needed star quality and the reason why she was so unpopular was because she had none whatsoever. I hope I haven't offended anyone by saying that!”

I used Jennifer Hudson as an example, precisely because I knew somebody would say something like this. Hudson got voted off early in her season of American Idol (like Rachel). Now Hudson is the biggest star from that season.

The public voting for you doesn't mean you have "star quality". Leon Jackson and Steve Brookstein won the X-Factor, but many would argue they lack star quality, which is why they were soon dropped.

Being unpopular with voters does not mean you lack star quality, and Jennifer Hudson is a perfect example of that. Maybe Rachel can follow in her footsteps.
Boxfresh
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by Ethereal:
“I don't think she will do a thing. The public didn't warm to her so she will find it very hard to appeal to people.”

Umm...Jennifer Hudson.

If you've got talent, and make the right music, with the right people, you can appeal to anybody. If Rachel sang the hook on a song with Lil Wayne....she's an instant star (ala Jay Sean). Not saying she'll get to sing a hook with Lil Wayne, but I can see many ways for her to be a star of some sort, particularly if she heads toward America. She is not a hard sell. She a nice looking girl with a good voice, a malleable image and clearly doesn't lack for ambition.
Georgiecats
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by DamienAB:
“It does make you wonder what sort of music the judges listen to given some of the song choices they make week after week.

Some of the choices this week for the contestants were shocking.Also why do people keep saying she was trying to be Rihanna? Just because she had the same hairstyle?”

Same hairstyle, same style. She obviously styled herself on Rihanna so the first thing you think when you see her is Rihanna. I also thought she was like Grace Jones who scares me to death.

She wasn't original enough. And we had Alexandra win last year so I don't think people want another one. I think a guy will win this year.
InMyArms
02-11-2009
I hope she is successful
DamienAB
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by Boxfresh:
“I used Jennifer Hudson as an example, precisely because I knew somebody would say something like this. Hudson got voted off early in her season of American Idol (like Rachel). Now Hudson is the biggest star from that season.

The public voting for you doesn't mean you have "star quality". Leon Jackson and Steve Brookstein won the X-Factor, but many would argue they lack star quality, which is why they were soon dropped.

Being unpopular with voters does not mean you lack star quality, and Jennifer Hudson is a perfect example of that. Maybe Rachel can follow in her footsteps.”

Exactly X factor runs to whatever Simons agenda is that year,i seem to remember he tried to take some credit for JH oscar win.

The X factor voters by and large have favorites they vote for every week but that doesn't mean they'd actually buy actual records by these people as previous years have shown.

Out of all of them Rachel has the most potential in the current market to succeed. The others have painted themselves into pre defined boxes already and the cookie cutter and cutesy nature of the show means that someone who can come across as a bit sarcastic like Rachel means she comes across as 'cold'

Mix in her look which to most X factor viewers is seen as pretty extreme and you have a recipe for disaster.
DamienAB
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by Georgiecats:
“Same hairstyle, same style. She obviously styled herself on Rihanna so the first thing you think when you see her is Rihanna. I also thought she was like Grace Jones who scares me to death.

She wasn't original enough. And we had Alexandra win last year so I don't think people want another one. I think a guy will win this year.”

That style was going round for ages before Rhianna's stylist must have seen that it was getting pretty fashionable again and decided to jump on the bandwagon a year and a half late. That Rhianna is referenced when ever Rachel is mentioned shows shows the world that most of the X factor audience live in, if that was their first exposure to that look.

Girls at my art college have been doing that for the last year and a half copying all the Jamaican dancehall girls.

Also you should clarify your "don't think people want another one" it could be misconstrued the wrong way.
Craigpugh
02-11-2009
I thought she was the most polished singer this year, an amazing voice, and i think this year is all about silly poppets like lloyd, the twins etc, and people have got swept away with that in voting rather than talent. There is a big difference in what people vote for and what music they will buy (michelle mcmanus, anyone?!)
marianner
02-11-2009
She has an amazing voice, she's tough and if she want it, I think she can make it someday.
She's only 18.

Dannii said she would be behind her @ 100%
She's really the best mentor
Ethereal
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by Boxfresh:
“Umm...Jennifer Hudson.

If you've got talent, and make the right music, with the right people, you can appeal to anybody. If Rachel sang the hook on a song with Lil Wayne....she's an instant star (ala Jay Sean). Not saying she'll get to sing a hook with Lil Wayne, but I can see many ways for her to be a star of some sort, particularly if she heads toward America. She is not a hard sell. She a nice looking girl with a good voice, a malleable image and clearly doesn't lack for ambition.”

Jennifer Hudson is your only example and her voice is a million times better than Rachel's. Her personality is also much more likeable.
newportjoe25
02-11-2009
She might get some success but I doubt she will ever hit the heights that Hudson has. Rachel is a very good singer. Hudson's voice and range is insane. Still, she does have a bit of star quality and when she was good she was very good. So yeah, good luck to her.
Boxfresh
02-11-2009
Originally Posted by Ethereal:
“Jennifer Hudson is your only example and her voice is a million times better than Rachel's. Her personality is also much more likeable.”

Rachel is a different type of singer to Hudson, and would clearly be headed in a much different direction. She doesn't have to have her type of vocal ability, because they'll never ever be competing in the same field. Who knows exactly what Rachel will do, but I doubt her ambition is to be the next Leona or J-Hud, or Alexandra or Jordin Sparks. She looks like she'd rather front a rock band or do some oddball VV Brown shit....she's got the presence and talent to be a star. Maybe not the kind of star you rate with Whitney style balladeering vocals, but a star nontheless. There is more to being a star than the whistle register and hitting high notes. Rachel actually has the freedom to maybe actually be percieved as an "artist".

And Hudson is only the biggest example, not the only one. Laura (from X-Factor Season 5) is seeing some succes with her single (top 30 on itunes, could be top 20 by the end of the week), despite having limited promo resources and radioplay. Kellie Pickler finished low in her season of American Idol, and is one of the more succesful contestants. Mandisa from Season 5 also got voted out early, and is one of the most succesful Gospel acts in America. There are several examples of people having low finishes on reality shows and still doing well out of it.
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