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Old 03-11-2009, 03:02
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Sorry if this was mentioned before and I've missed it but surely Simon should have not given an answer when Rikki went out. The first week louis was off kandi rain were automaticially given his vote, rikki went out the following week after the vote of 3 judges, all the other acts (including the time before when a vote was taken in the absence of a judge).

I don't like deadlock and think it's been used as a cop out this year but the one time it would have been 100% fair to purposely use it wasn't, I'm not a rikki fan and really hated the eyebrow thing but I think he didn't get a fair crack. Neither did Rachael this week she sung 200% better than lloyd.
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Old 03-11-2009, 03:04
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I think possibly cos Rikki was not bottom and they wanted him out sorry to say that but that is what I think.
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Old 03-11-2009, 03:10
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:00
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I think possibly cos Rikki was not bottom and they wanted him out sorry to say that but that is what I think.
I second this.
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:15
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I agree. I wanted Rikki to stay (at least until top 6) and I reckon he got more votes than Rachel, especially as I thought If I Were A Boy was then worst performance of the night. If Rikki had stayed, with a more suitable theme - being able to sing more suitable songs than Respect (or not, knowing Cheryl!) he would probably have stood a better chance than Rachel, who it was obvious the public weren't getting. This wouldn't have been good news for the judges and whoever their chosen ones really are, because he wasn't one of them.

If deadlock is going to be used every other week, it should've been used in Week 2 as well. I think Kandy Rain were automatically given Louis's vote as they were in his category, whereas Rikki wasn't, and his mentor did give him one vote.

Putting Rikki on between the twins doing Oops....and Jamie's fabulous Hurt can't have helped him any more than the unsuitable song and Cheryl's histripnics being reserved for Lloyd (because Lloyd is 16 and Rikki is 21) so I think he probably was in the bottom two, but probably 10th overall rather than 11th.

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Old 03-11-2009, 10:20
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Maybe deadlock is because they are actually at deadlock? IMO Simon wanted to vote Rachel home due to her being bottom two every week bar one.

It is a shame that Rikki went to save Rachel as she still just couldn't pull the votes weeks on.
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:22
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how can you have a deadlock when only 3 judges were there to vote, Louis was at a funeral, was he supposed to pop out and phone his vote in.
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:27
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Agreed about Louis - they did phone him on Xtra Factor though. Maybe he wanted them to vote, or had already expressed preferences leading Simon to make the decision not to go to deadlock?

Maybe they should have taken it straight to the public vote though - or stopped using deadlock for everyone else?

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Old 03-11-2009, 10:29
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It's irrelevant really. Had Rikki stayed he wouldn't have lasted much longer and he certainly wouldn't have won!
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:35
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Because Cheryl wasn't already down to 2 contestants. Simon would never have gone out of his way to get rid of Cheryl's second act.

EDIT: Forgot that Louis wasn't there, but my point still stands.
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Old 03-11-2009, 11:00
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Rachel was Dannii's, and she hadn't lost any at that point either.

I don't think Rikki would have won, but he would have done well on tour

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Old 03-11-2009, 11:00
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I think possibly cos Rikki was not bottom and they wanted him out sorry to say that but that is what I think.
No doubt about it. It could not be more blatant.
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Old 03-11-2009, 11:23
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No doubt about it. It could not be more blatant.
We'll see if he's bottom when they release the voting figures
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Old 03-11-2009, 11:25
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Will they release them if there's anything to hide?

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Old 03-11-2009, 11:27
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Who knows how the judges think but I'm glad they didn't do deadlock for Rikki - it gets boring if they do that every week.
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Old 03-11-2009, 16:36
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how can you have a deadlock when only 3 judges were there to vote, Louis was at a funeral, was he supposed to pop out and phone his vote in.
Simon could have refused to vote and it would have gone to deadlock, just like when there used to be 3 judges on the panel. Louis vote shouldn't have been taken into account the first week he was away for it to have been a fair result the following week.

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It's irrelevant really. Had Rikki stayed he wouldn't have lasted much longer and he certainly wouldn't have won!
Hardly irrelevant, it doesn't matter that it was rikki that went out it's another example of the manipulation of the voting system.

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Who knows how the judges think but I'm glad they didn't do deadlock for Rikki - it gets boring if they do that every week.
It was the one time where it would have been seen to be the fair thing to do rather than make petty excuses in other weeks to bring it to deadlock.
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Old 03-11-2009, 16:38
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how can you have a deadlock when only 3 judges were there to vote, Louis was at a funeral, was he supposed to pop out and phone his vote in.
This.

It's a bit hard to get a draw when it's an odd number.
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Old 03-11-2009, 17:03
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Apart from Ricky's week when there were only three judges hasn't deadlock been used for evey week If so, what is the point in having the sing off - they might as well go to the viewer vote if the judges keep taking it to deadlock - it's very convenient that there are four judges
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Old 03-11-2009, 17:08
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When X factor first started there were 3 Judges it could still be taken to deadlock when one judge didn't vote and I'm pretty sure sharon did that on more than one occasion.
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Old 03-11-2009, 17:08
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It was the one time where it would have been seen to be the fair thing to do rather than make petty excuses in other weeks to bring it to deadlock.
How can it go to deadlock when there's three judges? Unless Simon had refused to vote, but why would he? He had nothing to lose, it was't his acts.
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Old 03-11-2009, 17:14
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Rikki was one of the worst things to be shown on television since Eldorado in the early 90s though.

Personally I wouldn't have even had him sing a second time.
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Old 03-11-2009, 17:16
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If three out of four judges vote to send one person home then, depending on who it is, you come on here to find posts and posts of opinions ranging from tactical voting to an out and out fix. When the the judges can't make a unanimous/majority verdict and it goes to deadlock then you come on here to find posts and posts of opinions about - guess what? - yes, tactical voting, and fixing. The programme can't win can it! All deadlock does is give the deciding vote to another judge - in this case the viewers vote.

The one and only reason it didn't go to deadlock when it was against Ricki and Rachel is because Louis didn't have an act in the bottom 2. It was completely fair that he had a proxy vote the week before because it was his act and in all but one decision ever in this programme the judges have always voted to save their acts. If Ricki had been given a proxy vote purely just to take it to deadlock then there would have been even more claims of fixing and in this case I would have to wonder why they did it.

I sometimes wonder if people complain or find issues just for the sake of it. There was absolutely nothing below board about Ricki being voted off.
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Old 03-11-2009, 17:19
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When X factor first started there were 3 Judges it could still be taken to deadlock when one judge didn't vote and I'm pretty sure sharon did that on more than one occasion.
In the three series where there were only three judges, Sharon only did that once - in the first series - between Cassie and Tabby I think. And the only reason she did that was because she refused to vote between her two acts.

That is a completely different to what happened in Ricki and Rachels case.
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Old 03-11-2009, 17:31
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I think possibly cos Rikki was not bottom and they wanted him out sorry to say that but that is what I think.
Yep, it seems thats the way it goes.

The judges seem to know who is bottom in the voting.
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Old 03-11-2009, 17:36
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Every week the acts are told that they'll be judged on the sing off performance and then given a different reason for keeping someone who hasn't performed the best of the 2 in the sing off and then taken to the public vote which has no bearing on the final sing off.

It wasn't fair at all for his vote to be counted one week while absent and not the next week, perhaps they should have had a stand in judge to compensate that week but to have a usual panel of four and then only 3 vote one week isn't consistent and isn't fair.
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