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Old 03-11-2009, 09:47
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Just to pick up on a popular accusation from Danyl opposers...have you also counted the number of duff notes hit by the other contestants? Or are you just using this nugget of information to fuel the fire of negativity towards Danyl?
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Old 03-11-2009, 09:49
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Just to pick up on a popular accusation from Danyl opposers...have you also counted the number of duff notes hit by the other contestants? Or are you just using this nugget of information to fuel the fire of negativity towards Danyl?
I don't think anyone is saying he is the only one hitting duff notes, it's more that Danyl's performances are described as world class or perfect vocals so people are bound to point out that they are not in fact perfect. The same happened to Lucie when she was described as faultless and flawless.
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Old 03-11-2009, 09:49
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Just to pick up on a popular accusation from Danyl opposers...have you also counted the number of duff notes hit by the other contestants? Or are you just using this nugget of information to fuel the fire of negativity towards Danyl?
I think its a case of viewers are more aware of the duff notes danyl hits as theres more of them compared to the others who don't have as much bum notes.
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Old 03-11-2009, 09:53
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I was just going to say the same thing as ogg monster. Simon keeps saying that Danyl is the best singer in the competition but that assertion is seriously challenged when you hear him singing out of tune so often.
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:37
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Just to pick up on a popular accusation from Danyl opposers...have you also counted the number of duff notes hit by the other contestants? Or are you just using this nugget of information to fuel the fire of negativity towards Danyl?
With the exception of Joe and Olly (and Lucie, although she has missed a few), they all are. I think it's a fairly low standard all round this year.
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:45
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I was just going to say the same thing as ogg monster. Simon keeps saying that Danyl is the best singer in the competition but that assertion is seriously challenged when you hear him singing out of tune so often.
So often? it's not that much and certainly less than most of the others! He is still the best singer in the competition. I'm not even a massive fan of his, but none of the other contestents can reach all the notes he can.
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:47
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I think Danyl is caught up in Simon's over promotion of him which seems to be affecting public opinion of him to some degree.

Maybe it is time to judge Danyl and Danyl alone, not Simon bigging him up or the others trying to tear him to shreds. It is obvious here that through all the negative press about him, he does have a good fan base and he should focus on that.

I dont see the guy winning this but I do believe he will have some sort of singing career when this is all over.
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:49
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I think Danyl is caught up in Simon's over promotion of him which seems to be affecting public opinion of him to some degree.

Maybe it is time to judge Danyl and Danyl alone, not Simon bigging him up or the others trying to tear him to shreds. It is obvious here that through all the negative press about him, he does have a good fan base and he should focus on that.

I dont see the guy winning this but I do believe he will have some sort of singing career when this is all over.
I agree. When Simon said Danyl's audition was the best first audition ever there was only one way for Danyl to go. He peaked at his first audition which is very rare. He is still very talented though. People should judge him on his voice and his voice alone. Forget Simon and forget the negative press.
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Old 03-11-2009, 11:35
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Stacey is increasingly hitting duff notes. I put it down to the corset she had to wear in Big Band week but then she was even worse this week...

Lloyd of course hits more duff notes than the Twins although gets less flak for it than they do. And Lucie, whilst not always straying into duff, frequently strays into strained.

Tell you what - and I didn't notice this at the time but did when we played it back - Joe, much vaunted for his singing ability, was just slightly off key almost throughout. No-one seems to have picked up on that at all. And I didn;t spot it 'live' but only on Sunday when my teenager who had been out Sat night watched XF on On Demand...
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Old 03-11-2009, 11:59
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Most consistent ones are Jamie, Joe and Stacey (agree with below) but rest of the bunch are always hit bum notes

Stacey is increasingly hitting duff notes.
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Old 03-11-2009, 12:01
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Stacey is increasingly hitting duff notes. I put it down to the corset she had to wear in Big Band week but then she was even worse this week...

Lloyd of course hits more duff notes than the Twins although gets less flak for it than they do. And Lucie, whilst not always straying into duff, frequently strays into strained.

Tell you what - and I didn't notice this at the time but did when we played it back - Joe, much vaunted for his singing ability, was just slightly off key almost throughout. No-one seems to have picked up on that at all. And I didn;t spot it 'live' but only on Sunday when my teenager who had been out Sat night watched XF on On Demand...
I think the moving was the problem for Stacey, it seemed to be worse when she moved (which is probably why she hasn't moved up until now)
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Old 03-11-2009, 12:14
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I had to laugh at the the title of this thread. I don't normally watch The X-Factor, but my Wife always does, and we were both out Sat night so I watched it the next morning. I couldn't believe how completely out of tune most of the singers were - I mean this is a singing competition right? Even more amazing was the praise lavished on some of the singers after they'd finished mangling a classic song.

About the only 2 who managed to hold a note were Jamie and Ollie - though ironically Jamie probably had the worst feedback from the judges / stooges * ! After Bon Jovi had performed on the results show, I was half expecting Danni to stand up and say "Guys, look, you're not bad, and I know you've sold 120m albums and played to 34m people but I'm not sure if you're really connecting with the audience" etc. Very, very strange show indeed.

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Old 03-11-2009, 12:16
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Old 03-11-2009, 12:18
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Jamie, Joe, olley and Lucie have been the most in tune. In fact I don't think they have hit a bad note.

From memory the worst offenders have been Rachel, Miss Frank, Kandy Rain, Lloyd, J&E and obviously Danyl last week.

The rest have been ok with the odd duff note here and there.
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Old 03-11-2009, 12:21
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Jamie, Joe, olley and Lucie have been the most in tune. In fact I don't think they have hit a bad note.

From memory the worst offenders have been Rachel, Miss Frank, Kandy Rain, Lloyd, J&E and obviously Danyl last week.

The rest have been ok with the odd duff note here and there.
Lucie has hit a few, but it's more that she struggles for certain notes.

But play back Joe from this week - he's ever so slightly off key. I was surprised too and didn't pick up on it first time round.
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Old 03-11-2009, 12:23
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Danyl is out of tune more often than anyone else in the competition, except possibly the Twins and Lloyd. Also, his bum notes seem to more radically off, and the sections when they happen tend to last longer.
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Old 03-11-2009, 12:28
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The thing with the twins is that increasingly there ARE actually in tune. You might not like the sound they make, but We Will Rock You and She Bangs contained very very few moments off tune, especially compared to Lloyd who is more out of tune than in, Stacey who when she goes wrong it's painfully noticeable and most contentiously Danyl.

I don't think Cowell does Danyl any favours whatsoever, to the point where one does indeed wonder if he's covertly trying to sabotage him. Listening to Danyl skate around a note can be very hit and miss and when he DOES go wrong it's brutally obvious.

If his mistakes were allowed to be taken for what they are and used to actively make him a better singer this would be fine. But then you get Simon giving him standing ovations, saying he's world class and that he's in a league of his own even among previous contestants and you as a viewer, or at least myself as a viewer gets very annoyed and indeed hostile to Danyl.

For in tune, on the money week in week out note hitting then Lucie and Joe leave Danyl in the dust - but something really isn't happening with those two. Who do make very pleasent sounds, I don't deny it, but sadly are really dull as ditch water.

I think that this is the biggest problem with X Factor and their theme weeks, in terms of developing singers able to fulfil their actual vocal talents it's totally useless. Singers come in as caricatures dreamed up by the producers and any real attempt to find yourself as a singer is pointless.

This was the case with Rachel in whom you saw clear and vast improvements from her very first song, through the sing offs to her last song. She noticeably grew in confidence and ability - but since that was all she was a singer, not a cut out she did badly.

This is why I feel that judging X Factor as an actual Singing contest is so specious, it's not, there's no committment to develop singers, indeed if there was ever an environment guaranteed to make real vocal talent implode and crash and burn it's the format of X Factor.
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Old 03-11-2009, 12:30
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Jamie, Joe, olley and Lucie have been the most in tune. In fact I don't think they have hit a bad note.

From memory the worst offenders have been Rachel, Miss Frank, Kandy Rain, Lloyd, J&E and obviously Danyl last week.

The rest have been ok with the odd duff note here and there.
Totally agree with this.

Stacey seems increasingly weak to me. Her persona is beginning to grate, and she is no longer improving. I like Danyl, and personally I think his off notes are more to do with his bluesy/rock style of singing, where he slides up to hit the note. Apart from last week of course
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Old 03-11-2009, 12:32
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So often? it's not that much and certainly less than most of the others! He is still the best singer in the competition. I'm not even a massive fan of his, but none of the other contestents can reach all the notes he can.
There's more to singing that range alone and the fact that he can reach the notes that others can't (if indeed that's the case and I'm not qualified to comment) doesn't necessarily make him the best singer.

I think Simon Cowell's continual assertion that he is the best, thereby placing an ever increasing level of expectation on Danyl, isn't actually doing him any favours; if anything it makes the listener more critical.
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Old 03-11-2009, 12:35
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The thing with the twins is that increasingly there ARE actually in tune. You might not like the sound they make, but We Will Rock You and She Bangs contained very very few moments off tune, especially compared to Lloyd who is more out of tune than in, Stacey who when she goes wrong it's painfully noticeable and most contentiously Danyl.

I don't think Cowell does Danyl any favours whatsoever, to the point where one does indeed wonder if he's covertly trying to sabotage him. Listening to Danyl skate around a note can be very hit and miss and when he DOES go wrong it's brutally obvious.

If his mistakes were allowed to be taken for what they are and used to actively make him a better singer this would be fine. But then you get Simon giving him standing ovations, saying he's world class and that he's in a league of his own even among previous contestants and you as a viewer, or at least myself as a viewer gets very annoyed and indeed hostile to Danyl.

For in tune, on the money week in week out note hitting then Lucie and Joe leave Danyl in the dust - but something really isn't happening with those two. Who do make very pleasent sounds, I don't deny it, but sadly are really dull as ditch water.

I think that this is the biggest problem with X Factor and their theme weeks, in terms of developing singers able to fulfil their actual vocal talents it's totally useless. Singers come in as caricatures dreamed up by the producers and any real attempt to find yourself as a singer is pointless.

This was the case with Rachel in whom you saw clear and vast improvements from her very first song, through the sing offs to her last song. She noticeably grew in confidence and ability - but since that was all she was a singer, not a cut out she did badly.

This is why I feel that judging X Factor as an actual Singing contest is so specious, it's not, there's no committment to develop singers, indeed if there was ever an environment guaranteed to make real vocal talent implode and crash and burn it's the format of X Factor.
Yeah, you're right. And this is where Fame academy really excelled. A much more serious and satisfying format that was. Too serious for the GBP I fear...
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Old 03-11-2009, 12:56
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Just to pick up on a popular accusation from Danyl opposers...have you also counted the number of duff notes hit by the other contestants? Or are you just using this nugget of information to fuel the fire of negativity towards Danyl?
I am Danyl supporter. But I will admit that each and every contestant that has been in the live shows this year has made duff notes at some point!
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Old 03-11-2009, 12:58
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I am Danyl supporter. But I will admit that each and every contestant that has been in the live shows this year has made duff notes at some point!
I don't recall Danyl hitting any duff notes other than the beginning of his song last week and that was because he was nervous and his confidence was at an all time low, poor guy. He's been so villified the last few weeks, I'm not surprised he wasn't on song last week, so to speak !
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Old 03-11-2009, 13:03
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I don't recall Danyl hitting any duff notes other than the beginning of his song last week and that was because he was nervous and his confidence was at an all time low, poor guy. He's been so villified the last few weeks, I'm not surprised he wasn't on song last week, so to speak !
But it still technically counts. Even though he was in the wrong key for that section, still counts as a duff note really.
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Old 03-11-2009, 13:26
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But it still technically counts. Even though he was in the wrong key for that section, still counts as a duff note really.


This is the crux of the Danyl problem. He's all about the high notes in the chorus and blasting them out, which means he has to start off in the wrong key for the verses.

He doesn't have a versatile voice, the way he sings when he's screaming out the high notes is the key which he should start in and indeed sing the whole song in, which would mean that when he jumps up an octave or two for the chorus he wouldn't be able to hit the notes.

Danyl's performances are poor because he isn't versatile, he doesn't understand that verses aren't there just to be gotten through for the few note money shots when he can let loose in the chorus. Verses and melody are integral to song, they aren't to be ignored in order to show off. And unless Cowell stops blowing smoke up his ass and demands that his "golden boy" actually sings it's not going to get better.
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Old 03-11-2009, 13:41
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Totally agree with this.

Stacey seems increasingly weak to me. Her persona is beginning to grate, and she is no longer improving. I like Danyl, and personally I think his off notes are more to do with his bluesy/rock style of singing, where he slides up to hit the note. Apart from last week of course
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Thank you for your desciption of Danyl's singing, I have been going mad with frustration because I didn't know how to describe his singing, but it was obvious to me that it was a style of singing and the people describing him of missing notes are wrong.
I was watching BB King recently and now it makes sense, he also 'slides up to hit the note' as you put it.
We all know something went wrong at the start this week but if you look again he was actually quite good once he got back into key and if you look closly you actually see the moment he knows he's back.
Good luck to him, I say.
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