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The reason for Danyls failure
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Candy Store
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by Lizzy11268:
“Some of it is Simon's fault. The comments about the first audition, attempting to big him up in the states, the ridiculous standing ovations of which he only, in my opinion as a Danyl fan, deserved the first week. Danyl CERTAINLY didnt deserve a standing ovation last week.”

Simon was trying to big up the show in the States and the more standing ovations he gives him, the more I am convinced of that. When you consider that Simon's standing ovations on American Idol are like hen's teeth, you can't blame a lot of them for thinking "What the ...................???" when they viewed the audition and saw that Simon had given a standing ovation for the type of performance he has been known to ridicule on Idol (and on XF in the past - remember Robert Allen's similar performance that he described as manic and desperate?). He has continued to give Danyl standing ovations for increasingly weaker performances and this week's was absolutely ridiculous. All this does Danyl no favours whatsoever.
Lizzy11268
06-11-2009
Agreed Candy Store.
Nickr10113
06-11-2009
I think all the points about Simon and performance are totally valid and I think your point about neediness is precisely part of the problem I'm describing - he becomes angry because hes needy. I will go even further to say that this is why he would behave badly with Stacey about attention shes getting in the press. Believable when you realize its part of his character... People often talk about 'journey' in these competitions but in the end it comes down to a relationship with an audience when youre on screen and these parts of his character are there below the surface and people can sense them...
RecordPlayer
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by Nickr10113:
“There is one reason - he is angry. When he sings Purple rain tomorrow, it wont be anthemic or joyous, just like his other songs it will sound slightly shouty. I dont know why he is angry but as with many drama students, I suspect its because he can never get enough attention so is permanently seething. Nothing can be done about this...”

Lizzy11268
06-11-2009
And at the very least, I attempted to answer your question, Nickr10113, rather than accuse you of anything!
kate_fkn_does
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by Lizzy11268:
“Lol, I like Danyl and I am the least angry person I know.
Plus, I am probably one at least, of the most reasonable Danyl fans.

I just like him. Sorry, can't help it. And whilst I don't agree he is completely failing, he does seem to be having some issues. Some are completely not his fault. The level of press and "anonymous internet" hatred is really high, considering in reality he is just a teacher from Kent! Some people seem determined to love or hate him no matter what. Also, along with Jedward, he is the act, that for some reason, has been latched onto with a level of love/hate that defies all reason. Sometimes, it really IS a bandwagon, and not one of the danyl fans or non danyl fans have failed to jump on it at some point. I include myself in that - quite often I have been sucked into the "hype" - its difficult to avoid really. And it really did all start with the "likeability factor" comments of the judges in the first show added on to Simon's praise of his first audition. "The best audition ever" comments immediately provoked argument and discussion, a fact that was nothing much to do with Danyl himself, who had just put in an audition that he wanted to do. Then we had the first show......and off we went!

Some of it is also his fault (I use the word fault lightly you understand - who knows how any one of us would react in a similar situation!) For a start, he read the press and continued using Twitter, something I understand they are advised NOT to do. It must be very confusing for him, to read such extreme views of himself. From "best ever, great voice, best of the lot" to "arrogant bully, can't sing in tune, shouts, money note only" etc etc. And I can imagine that to read people assassinating his CHARACTER rather than his SINGING/PERFORMANCE style must have made him second guess himself - I know it would me! Instead of just being himself and ignoring it, he keeps trying, too hard in my opinion, to be what everyone else seems to want him to be. A fools game, thats what that is! Especially since no-one can seem to come up with a consensus of what exactly he should be!


Some of it is Simon's fault. The comments about the first audition, attempting to big him up in the states, the ridiculous standing ovations of which he only, in my opinion as a Danyl fan, deserved the first week. Danyl CERTAINLY didnt deserve a standing ovation last week. Whatever the reason, his performance in the first half of that song was a complete mess. Simon's complete inability to be fair and reasonable in his comments - Danyl is always "the stand out performance of the night" to Simon. Erm, NO Simon. When Danyls on it, he is great, when he's not - he's, well,not!

What I think Danyl needs to do? Relax, enjoy himself, do his thing and not worry about the rest. Because at the moment, he seems needy, as if the world's going to end if he doesnt do well and everyone likes him! I personally think, if he can do that, he will become naturally more likeable to the people who sit on the fence, and it would give the truly anti-Danyl people less to talk about. And Simon needs to let him do a song or two without the big money note and the shouting - its not his natural talent as is shown in his original songs.

But after saying all that? I like the guy. When he is on the ball, I enjoy his performances and his singing voice a lot. I have never met him, so I will not and should not judge his character on what others say of him. Anyone could call me a "bully" if for some reason they didnt get on with me - wouldnt make it true! Its best to take ALL the press, both good and bad, about Danyl and Jedward with a pinch of salt. If you don't know them as people, then in reality, you have no clue what they are like. The thing to remember is, we are all drawn to different people in our lives. You will be friends with some and not with others. If I say "x is horrible", doesnt make it so. If I say "x is lovely!" doesnt make it so.

There. Slight rant over.

Now I am going back to liking Danyl. Along with the others I like this year, Olly, Jamie, Joe and more and more, Lucie.

The rest doesnt matter.”

I pretty much seond everything you've said there.
lisa1972
06-11-2009
Lizzy i dont agree with you over some of this, all the conrestants still use twitter and jamie and olly use it far more than Danyl. Also i dont agree with your take on this weeks song, it doesnt have to be shouty and i think it will instil some of the passion that everybody says is a bit lacking

The rest, very true esp about simon
robertlondon
06-11-2009
Much of Danyl's failure is due to the public's dislike of being manipulated.

It's clear to everyone that Danyl is the favored child in the set up. When it's "Diva Week" - he gets to sing some unreleased track from Whitney's album. It just didn't seem like an even playing field.

Add to this the early damning comments from Kandy Rain and Louis about Danyl's personality and conduct and he's got an uphill struggle ahead.
Lizzy11268
06-11-2009
You are right about the others using Twitter, Lisa, and I am very pleased he does, because we can follow and see whats going on!

But I stand by the press thing. He should ignore that. And if he is getting abuse on Twitter, which he is especially from that "person", he should maybe leave it alone just for a couple of weeks.
mamamia
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by Nickr10113:
“There is one reason - he is angry. When he sings Purple rain tomorrow, it wont be anthemic or joyous, just like his other songs it will sound slightly shouty. I dont know why he is angry but as with many drama students, I suspect its because he can never get enough attention so is permanently seething. Nothing can be done about this...”

Ohh,phychics on here too,I'm impressed.lol,lol
mamamia
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by Gill P:
“I think his "failure" is because Simon praised him too much at the audition stage and the GBP don't like that!”

Imo,Dermot got it right Danyl was too goo,too soon
dizzie
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by Candy Store:
“Simon was trying to big up the show in the States and the more standing ovations he gives him, the more I am convinced of that. When you consider that Simon's standing ovations on American Idol are like hen's teeth, you can't blame a lot of them for thinking "What the ...................???" when they viewed the audition and saw that Simon had given a standing ovation for the type of performance he has been known to ridicule on Idol (and on XF in the past - remember Robert Allen's similar performance that he described as manic and desperate?). He has continued to give Danyl standing ovations for increasingly weaker performances and this week's was absolutely ridiculous. All this does Danyl no favours whatsoever.”

The thing with the Simon Standing-O is that he started doing this very early on in the competition, the other judges followed suit standing for each of their acts. Now Simon can't possibly stay sat down at the end of Danyl's performance. People would read so much into it - why didn't he stand, it obviously wasn't as good etc etc.

The standing-O now is just being used as an 'I'm your mentor and support you wholeheartedly whatever the standard of the performance actually was', rather than an acknowledgement of a great, showstopping performance, as in American Idol (i.e. Simon stands 2, maybe 3 times in the entire season).
Nickr10113
06-11-2009
Manipulated is exactly right. The ironic thing being that Cowell is like a mirror image of Danyl - arrogant, needy, quick to anger - so he expects the public to like someone like him and cannot see why they dont. Its a vicious circle...
mitacond
06-11-2009
Danyl has has a lot attention and has the backing of fans who voted enmasse for him last week what more can he want.;')
IsThisNameFree9
06-11-2009
Is the Danyl doing 'Purple Rain'? Ewwww. I can already imagine it. I bet it will be a typical Danyl bluff and bluster performance.

I think Cowell is trying to convince people he has found the new Leona Lewis when he has only found a failed boy band member who is using his drama skills to cover up a very decent but unexceptional voice.
Chi
06-11-2009
Cowell's overpraise is what is killing Danyl the most, imo. If he had been left alone, he would be acknowledged as a reasonably good singer. But the fact that Simon is trying to convince us that he is amazing makes us instinctively compare him with really amazing singers, and to focus and what he is not rather than what he is.
Lizzy11268
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by Chi:
“Cowell's overpraise is what is killing Danyl the most, imo. If he had been left alone, he would be acknowledged as a reasonably good singer. But the fact that Simon is trying to convince us that he is amazing makes us instinctively compare him with really amazing singers, and to focus and what he is not rather than what he is.”

A very fair comment, and one I agree with.
Stewing
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by Nickr10113:
“There is one reason - he is angry. When he sings Purple rain tomorrow, it wont be anthemic or joyous, just like his other songs it will sound slightly shouty. I dont know why he is angry but as with many drama students, I suspect its because he can never get enough attention so is permanently seething. Nothing can be done about this...”


Yes right and you got a psyche degree.. where..ASDA. ?
Nickr10113
06-11-2009
Please refer to earlier replies in this thread about angry supporters of Danyl
jon_ellacott
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by Nickr10113:
“There is one reason - he is angry. When he sings Purple rain tomorrow, it wont be anthemic or joyous, just like his other songs it will sound slightly shouty. I dont know why he is angry but as with many drama students, I suspect its because he can never get enough attention so is permanently seething. Nothing can be done about this...”

Sorry but what failure??? I will not see him failing unless he does not win and is not offered a record contract.
LolWtf
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by Nickr10113:
“Manipulated is exactly right. The ironic thing being that Cowell is like a mirror image of Danyl - arrogant, needy, quick to anger - so he expects the public to like someone like him and cannot see why they dont. Its a vicious circle...”

I've never seen anything remotely angry about Danyl. What are you seeing that I'm not?
actually
06-11-2009
the reason for danyls failure is - he cant sing - he can shout loud though

he is plastic, boring, pretentious and simply OVER RATED TO HELL
Nickr10113
06-11-2009
Where is his anger? Maybe its a sense of frustration and dissatisfation that he projects even when hes saying otherwise? Maybe its his physical stance on stage dipping his head and shoulder like a boxer? Maybe its the shoutiness in his songs? They all begin to add up...
tenchgirl
06-11-2009
at least Danyls doing it not sitting on a forum talking about it, so i dont quite see where this failure business comes in to it, so some people don't like him that doesnt make him a failure its all supposition & conjecture at this point. As theres no winner till the shows over, the only failures are the ones who have already gone out, and some of them will get a contract so not quite failure.

just because you think it, doesnt make it fact.
Nickr10113
06-11-2009
And, breathe.... If that doesnt work in letting your anger out, put your head between your knees.
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