To be honest I am just angry with Danyl because either those who don't like him (I raise my hand here) and those who support him are getting into squabbles over him. I just wish he could go so we could get back to discussing the X-factor. He is so the Diana Vickers of this year (for me anyway).

It really drags any discussion down because if you say something against him you are lambasted and asked for proof of this that or tother.

If you support him you get all manner of comments saying he is this that or tother or why.

I believe his going would make X-factor enjoyable again because at the moment whilst he is in it it makes uncomfortable viewing because you never know what is going to happen next.

That and his repeatedly sh*tty performances from bootcamp onwards.

I agree - it's the uncomfortable viewing every time he appears that spoils the show.

Perhaps if you ASKED the question - do we think Danyl is failing - then you would get some answers. Your 'why is he failing' is like asking 'when did you last beat your wife'! Doesn't allow a full response without defense. You do not want people to say he isn't failing since you have made your mind up about that and have left no room for dissent.

If you perceive anger in the replies then likely some of it is dislike at being manipulated.

You think that Danyl is angry. Many disagree, which you do not take as contrary opinion but attack those who disagree with you with psycho babble of 'indentification = similarity'. What nonsense.

Many people think Danyl has a good voice, is worthy winner material, and has had a raw deal on personal attacks from the press and judges.

You see, I sort of agree with you, I dont particularly like the guy in the competition, but we all like different things , what I dont get is the constant squabbling on here, its utterly pointless.

Now, I dont think he is a -bad- singer, but I dont like his performances.

For me, he puts little to no effort into 90% of the song so he can hit the big notes he sprinkles around often in inapropriate places for the song in question.

For someone trained in Drama his diction is attrocious , and I find his performances invariably a mumbled verse or two, often off key (the first group song in particular he was awful in his solo line, never mind his under pressure performance last week) and then the big note , its all far too predictable.

However, thats my take on him, and whilst I would suggest both Lucie and Joe arre far superior technical singers , no matter what Simon says, they dont have the stage presence to go with it yet, this is where age and experience tell. I understand others like his performances, which is fine by me, dull world if we all agreed, but what I do not get is people seem to take it personally when you dont like their favourite, and proclaim you have issues, are jelous, or whatever nonsense, rather than accepting other simply have different opinions.

words of wisdom, the dark prince will slay the musical fight with a battle cry and unchained limitless vocal talent. Watch this apace....

This thread is about why he is failing to thrive in the competition. Though he has had a bad press, I think you might find that to Cowell, creating a story and a journey involves press of different kinds - do you honestly believe that Danii Minogue wasnt set up to sway support behind Danyl by her remarks over his sexuality? Do you not think that perhaps Cowell needed to tick that off his list of potential issues to confront? Unfortunately though, your points dont really mean anything - what does "worthy winner material mean?" My point is that he is flawed goods as a winner in a popular vote no matter how technically competent his singing might be and noone has really given me any cause to think otherwise.

I fail to understand why those who do rate him are constantly jumping on those who don't. Why can't people just not like him? Why do we have to be "wrong". It's an opinion. Some like him, some don't. So what.

Also, why is it that when Rachel was in the bottom 2 for the first time it was immediately suggested that she wasn't connecting with the public and that they just didn't like her and that was accepted. But when the same suggestion is made about Danyl being in the bottom 2, it can't possibly be true. I don't just mean on the forum btw, I mean everywhere. Hysterical "Whhyyyyyyyyy!?!?!?" from Simon onwwards.

I have no problem with people not liking him as I am at pains to point out quite often to people. Its totally your choice. I agree with what you say to a certain extent, but what I need to make clear, is a lot of what is happening with reference to reaction to whatever Danyl does, is, in my opinion, not his fault. Simon, in that scenario, needs to take the most blame.

I am a big fan of Danyl's whilst being totally able to see his faults. He has them, they all do! And I am talking on a performance/singing level, not about character - that is not for me to judge, and I will defend him on that point every time.

However, if you don't like his voice/the way he performs/just can't warm to him for whatever reason then I personally, have no problem with that at all.

I never warmed to Rachel, but thats all I ever said. I didnt stalk every thread about her, whether it be a positive or negative one, and make comments about her character and say how much I hated her! Nor did I attack everyone who ever said a positive thing about her and try to give them 101 reasons why she was horrible. THATS what I don't agree with. The girl could sing, she just didnt do it for me.

And I do really wish people would stop saying "people who rate Danyl" and " Danyl fans are"..this that and the other. We are all individuals you know! I, for one, resent being referred to as a "fanatic" (not by you, in another thread!) just because I called someone out for being really mean about the size of his mouth! I mean, the size of his mouth???? Come on people...Really?

What you say dury,has some merit granted. But please remember that a lot of us Danyl fans are just normal people who like how he performs. Of course we will defend him against "hate" type comments, but I for one, defend them all against those - including J&E.

We can all be better people - So please don't tell me that just because I am a Danyl fan I jump on anyone who isnt! I don't, only those that are nasty.

And take note, I answered the OP's question without assuming anything about them!

I hope that is reasonable.

Well said Lizzy, of a sudden this forum seems to be packed out with psychoanalysts who have every other poster 'sectioned' over their like/dislike of the man. I love him, think he's brilliant, and guess what, I'm normal (ish)!!

To people who think this is all "a bit of fun" and no need to "call in the psychoanalysts", I say, firstly, grow up. This is far from a harmless exercise, its show business par excellence and you are what is known as a sucker. Anyone who tries to unravel the show business machinery is simply not cannon fodder for Cowell and Carphone Warehouse or which ever company is benefiting this week. Not only that, you are destroying popular entertainment in the process, so well done.

Yes, but I'm not trying to unravel anything.
I just want to watch a group of people sing each week, and like who I want to like without being analysed over it.
If YOU want to worry, fuss and pull apart every single detail, go ahead. Its your time, it aint mine.

what the hell are you talking about....stop getting so blooming serious over a contestant on a singing competition.

its entertainment...leave it at that.

btw...i look forward to the over the top insult.

I agree. Mind you, the post didn't even really make sense so I wouldn't worry too much!

Very true, and constant wrong song choices by Simon as well aren't helping - very little has been in the style Danyl was singing pre X Factor (which I have listened to, not for me but his voice sounds far better) and is pushing him where his voice really shouldn't be going. And now this week it looks like, if the spoilers are correct, he's for the third week, got a song done very recently by a previous contestant on XF/AI and done excellently, leaving him wide open to 'not as good as X, Y or Z did it'

i don't think danyls "failure" is his fault. i think it's simons. he's shoved him in our faces too much

yes, the same could be said about the twins. but i think because simon appears to not like them, more people like them. and vice versa with danyl

If there were no armchair psychologists there would be no DS forums.
We all do it....thats why we're here....and anyway its a bit of harmless fun.

I had forgotten that the definition of psychoanalyst is someone who attempts to ask questions but uses complete sentences with vowels - srsly! - and punctuates without needing to add a multiple of 3 to every sentence - !!! or ???. Can you think of anything worse? (??) Personally I would prefer to be a patient! (!!)

I see how Simon can put people off Danyl.

But personally I didn't like his first audition. It has nothing to do with Simon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzj9z8QDTfU

How in hell could you improve on that ^^^ He was amazing, and slowly but surely is being eroded into a nothing. Sad!

wht th hll r u tlkn bt !!! ??? !!! ??? !!! ??? !!! ??? !!!

sorry

I honestly think it's all about Danyl's accent. Subconsciously it annoys people.

Subconscious, yes but I suspect we may discover that Simon thinks its all about something very different. I think it will be communicated along the lines of the twins being 'village idiots' and Danyl being a lot more 'urban'...

I tend to defend people who are being given the pitchfork treatment by the GBP, mainly because for me, slagging someone off, defaming their character when there is no evidence of the things they're accused of arrogance etc is a form of bullying and I don't like it. I stuck up for Rachel last year in the same way that I'll stick up for Danyl this year.

You ask why people jump on Danyl's detractors - It's for the sake of balance. The more people slag him off, the more people will defend him. The more people praise him, the more people will slag him off.

The problem he had was the overhyped build up by Simon Cowell. Not Danyl's fault and nothing to do with his personality or even his singing. People turned on Susan Boyle in the same way when she became too popular around the world.

Sorry to be pedantic but he is from Reading, Berkshire. His mother lives in Rochester, Kent, since she remarried but Danyl has never lived there.