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The reason for Danyls failure
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Candy Store
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by 0rch1deam:
“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzj9z8QDTfU

How in hell could you improve on that ^^^ He was amazing, and slowly but surely is being eroded into a nothing. Sad! ”

It's because it wasn't amazing but over-praised that so many people's backs were instantly put up.
glammakyd
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by Lizzy11268:
“Lol, I like Danyl and I am the least angry person I know.
Plus, I am probably one at least, of the most reasonable Danyl fans.

I just like him. Sorry, can't help it. And whilst I don't agree he is completely failing, he does seem to be having some issues. Some are completely not his fault. The level of press and "anonymous internet" hatred is really high, considering in reality he is just a teacher from Kent! Some people seem determined to love or hate him no matter what. Also, along with Jedward, he is the act, that for some reason, has been latched onto with a level of love/hate that defies all reason. Sometimes, it really IS a bandwagon, and not one of the danyl fans or non danyl fans have failed to jump on it at some point. I include myself in that - quite often I have been sucked into the "hype" - its difficult to avoid really. And it really did all start with the "likeability factor" comments of the judges in the first show added on to Simon's praise of his first audition. "The best audition ever" comments immediately provoked argument and discussion, a fact that was nothing much to do with Danyl himself, who had just put in an audition that he wanted to do. Then we had the first show......and off we went!

Some of it is also his fault (I use the word fault lightly you understand - who knows how any one of us would react in a similar situation!) For a start, he read the press and continued using Twitter, something I understand they are advised NOT to do. It must be very confusing for him, to read such extreme views of himself. From "best ever, great voice, best of the lot" to "arrogant bully, can't sing in tune, shouts, money note only" etc etc. And I can imagine that to read people assassinating his CHARACTER rather than his SINGING/PERFORMANCE style must have made him second guess himself - I know it would me! Instead of just being himself and ignoring it, he keeps trying, too hard in my opinion, to be what everyone else seems to want him to be. A fools game, thats what that is! Especially since no-one can seem to come up with a consensus of what exactly he should be!


Some of it is Simon's fault. The comments about the first audition, attempting to big him up in the states, the ridiculous standing ovations of which he only, in my opinion as a Danyl fan, deserved the first week. Danyl CERTAINLY didnt deserve a standing ovation last week. Whatever the reason, his performance in the first half of that song was a complete mess. Simon's complete inability to be fair and reasonable in his comments - Danyl is always "the stand out performance of the night" to Simon. Erm, NO Simon. When Danyls on it, he is great, when he's not - he's, well,not!

What I think Danyl needs to do? Relax, enjoy himself, do his thing and not worry about the rest. Because at the moment, he seems needy, as if the world's going to end if he doesnt do well and everyone likes him! I personally think, if he can do that, he will become naturally more likeable to the people who sit on the fence, and it would give the truly anti-Danyl people less to talk about. And Simon needs to let him do a song or two without the big money note and the shouting - its not his natural talent as is shown in his original songs.

But after saying all that? I like the guy. When he is on the ball, I enjoy his performances and his singing voice a lot. I have never met him, so I will not and should not judge his character on what others say of him. Anyone could call me a "bully" if for some reason they didnt get on with me - wouldnt make it true! Its best to take ALL the press, both good and bad, about Danyl and Jedward with a pinch of salt. If you don't know them as people, then in reality, you have no clue what they are like. The thing to remember is, we are all drawn to different people in our lives. You will be friends with some and not with others. If I say "x is horrible", doesnt make it so. If I say "x is lovely!" doesnt make it so.

There. Slight rant over.

Now I am going back to liking Danyl. Along with the others I like this year, Olly, Jamie, Joe and more and more, Lucie.

The rest doesnt matter.”



SPOT ON LIZZY...TOTALLY AGREE
Lizzy11268
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by Candy Store:
“Sorry to be pedantic but he is from Reading, Berkshire. His mother lives in Rochester, Kent, since she remarried but Danyl has never lived there.”

Oops, sorry. Ok, he is just a teacher from Reading then. The rest of my post still applies.

Originally Posted by Candy Store:
“It's because it wasn't amazing but over-praised that so many people's backs were instantly put up.”

That is somewhat true. I happened to be one of the people who loved his first audition and DID think it was amazing, but I can see why some people wondered what Simon was on about.
Nickr10113
06-11-2009
I think Simon Cowell is aware that the American market makes no distinction between Rochester and Reading..
IsThisNameFree9
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by 0rch1deam:
“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzj9z8QDTfU

How in hell could you improve on that ^^^ He was amazing, and slowly but surely is being eroded into a nothing. Sad! ”

It was very good in an over the top, overly dramatic kind of way. It was fun to watch.

While he did sing great, he sounds like he is from deep south of the US of A and it is 1965.

No, Danyl. It is 2009 and you are from Reading.
Lizzy11268
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by IsThisNameFree9:
“It was very good in an over the top, overly dramatic kind of way. It was fun to watch.

While he did sing great, he sounds like he is from deep south of the US of A and it is 1965.

No, Danyl. It is 2009 and you are from Reading.”

Which, I am reliably informed, is NOT in Kent.
buenoshermanos
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by 0rch1deam:
“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzj9z8QDTfU

How in hell could you improve on that ^^^ He was amazing, and slowly but surely is being eroded into a nothing. Sad! ”

It's not as good as Ringo, though, to be fair

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBDF04fQKtQ


Warm, likeable and not OTT -everything Danyl isn't.
Green Goddess
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by Reality Sucks:
“I tend to defend people who are being given the pitchfork treatment by the GBP, mainly because for me, slagging someone off, defaming their character when there is no evidence of the things they're accused of arrogance etc is a form of bullying and I don't like it. I stuck up for Rachel last year in the same way that I'll stick up for Danyl this year.

You ask why people jump on Danyl's detractors - It's for the sake of balance. The more people slag him off, the more people will defend him. The more people praise him, the more people will slag him off.

The problem he had was the overhyped build up by Simon Cowell. Not Danyl's fault and nothing to do with his personality or even his singing. People turned on Susan Boyle in the same way when she became too popular around the world.”

Yes because some people in this country do not like to see people succeed.

Do you know the really odd part *realitysucks*, that everyone went nuts about Sharons comments in the thread on here, and yet some of them on here are no better than her are they with the things they have said about Danyl?

Talk about double standards, slag her off for her disgusting outburst but in the next breath nip off into the nearest Danyl hate thread, or even a Danyl positive thread and bash the poor guy to bits again.

It is like a childrens playground in here at times... and some of them are stalking the threads but I wont name them as they know who they are, you only have to check where they are posting and where they are not posting... and oddly one at least seems to be obsessed here with the bashing of Danyl.. how sad his or her life must be.
cheekychopz
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by Green Goddess:
“Yes because some people in this country do not like to see people succeed.

Do you know the really odd part *realitysucks*, that everyone went nuts about Sharons comments in the thread on here, and yet some of them on here are no better than her are they with the things they have said about Danyl?

Talk about double standards, slag her off for her disgusting outburst but in the next breath nip off into the nearest Danyl hate thread, or even a Danyl positive thread and bash the poor guy to bits again.

It is like a childrens playground in here at times... and some of them are stalking the threads but I wont name them as they know who they are, you only have to check where they are posting and where they are not posting... and oddly one at least seems to be obsessed here with the bashing of Danyl.. how sad his or her life must be.”

GG, I really like what you say at times, it makes a lot of sense. When you drift off into speculation and libel, that does disturb me somewhat.

Have you ever thought that by being vocal and forthright with your opinions it gets you noticed and will have people wondering and seeing what you write next?

You cannot be outrageous and not expect some sort of comeback.
duryea
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by Reality Sucks:
“I tend to defend people who are being given the pitchfork treatment by the GBP, mainly because for me, slagging someone off, defaming their character when there is no evidence of the things they're accused of arrogance etc is a form of bullying and I don't like it. I stuck up for Rachel last year in the same way that I'll stick up for Danyl this year.

You ask why people jump on Danyl's detractors - It's for the sake of balance. The more people slag him off, the more people will defend him. The more people praise him, the more people will slag him off.

The problem he had was the overhyped build up by Simon Cowell. Not Danyl's fault and nothing to do with his personality or even his singing. People turned on Susan Boyle in the same way when she became too popular around the world.”

But you are judging all those who don't like him as the same. I've never said I hated him, because I don't. I've never slagged him off, I've just commented that I don't think he's anything special. So I personally would appreciate it if I didn't get lumped in with the people who are doing those things. His supports don't liked being likened to "fanatics" and I, and posters like me, don't like being likened to "haters".
Lizzy11268
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by duryea:
“But you are judging all those who don't like him as the same. I've never said I hated him, because I don't. I've never slagged him off, I've just commented that I don't think he's anything special. So I personally would appreciate it if I didn't get lumped in with the people who are doing those things. His supports don't liked being likened to "fanatics" and I, and posters like me, don't like being likened to "haters".”

And nor should you.

I don't think you are a "hater" just because you don't like him.

Some people are just plain nasty, you are not one of them.

It does work both ways, I totally agree. As a Danyl fan, I quite often am assumed to be "deluded"

Mind you, people who know me well quite often term me "deluded" and that happened WAY prior to Danyl being on the scene!
Simon Cow
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by Queen Maeve:
“So now his performance is criticised before he performs.................it's getting ridiculous.”

Not really! We all know how the song "Purple Rain" finishes in a shouty "Oh honey I know, I know, I know... etc" and that is why it was picked for Danyl as he can do the very same act to it that he has done in previous weeks.

A one trick pony and knowing the song make it very easy to pre-judge the performance.

I will be the first to go back on that should something unexpected and marvellous happen, but it won't as we have seen Danyl's act and that's it!

We are told how wonderful he is and have yet to see anything to back that up.
kenda11
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by Simon Cow:
“Not really! We all know how the song "Purple Rain" finishes in a shouty "Oh honey I know, I know, I know... etc" and that is why it was picked for Danyl as he can do the very same act to it that he has done in previous weeks.

A one trick pony and knowing the song make it very easy to pre-judge the performance.

I will be the first to go back on that should something unexpected and marvellous happen, but it won't as we have seen Danyl's act and that's it!

We are told how wonderful he is and have yet to see anything to back that up.”

cant you just wait and see...you never know, he might do the song justice.

if he doesnt then feel free to carry on the danyl hating.
bbted
06-11-2009
Every one I talk too loves Danyl...not sure why there is so much hate on DS
rufusrufus
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by Nickr10113:
“It is quite strange that when I ask the question noone seems to know the answer to - why is he failing - I get a lot of anger. Instead of accusing me of 'having issues', maybe those who identify with Danyl should wonder whether they are drawn to Danyl because they are like him - angry.”

I don't think it is anger, it's just that Danyl seems to have a mass of people who don't like him but who seem to think of nothing, other than him.
It's a bit wierd for us, Danyl's fans, who cannot understand why people would devote a big part of their leisure time negatively writing about someone they 'hate'.
Wouldn't life be more pleasant if you just got on with celebrating who you do like in the competition?
There are two people in the show I really don't like, they annoy me as much as Danyl's detractors are annoyed by him , but apart from the odd comment I just try to ignore them , they are never going to get my vote .
The almost psychotic dislike is also a bit disturbing, it just doesn't seem like the normal behavior of rational adults, I just don't get it.
Tiron
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by rufusrufus:
“I don't think it is anger, it's just that Danyl seems to have a mass of people who don't like him but who seem to think of nothing, other than him.
It's a bit wierd for us, Danyl's fans, who cannot understand why people would devote a big part of their leisure time negatively writing about someone they 'hate'.
Wouldn't life be more pleasant if you just got on with celebrating who you do like in the competition?
There are two people in the show I really don't like, they annoy me as much as Danyl's detractors are annoyed by him , but apart from the odd comment I just try to ignore them , they are never going to get my vote .

The almost psychotic dislike is also a bit disturbing, it just doesn't seem like the normal behavior of rational adults, I just don't get it.”

@highlighted: my sentiments exactly rufusrufus. My sentiments exactly. Oh and I agree with your entire post
neelia
06-11-2009
Originally Posted by Nickr10113:
“Its about failing to win a competition, not about failure in life, as in spending time posting on an forum, for example. On which topic, if the competition is so unimportant and trivial, why are you posting here? I hadnt realized that noone looks at these people as performers for audiences with positives and negatives but really do imagine them to be their imaginary best friends.”

The competition is not that importatn except that if there are people we like we want them to have a career so that we can continue to listen to them.

However fairness is important.
Love Bear
07-11-2009
Don't like him and can't warm to him but have to say I did feel for him when I watched the performance back the other week. A song he could have walked through with no problems normally he completely ballsed up - why? because his confidence is in shreds. It can so easily happen to the best of singers and I believe it happened to Danyl.

It showed us he is human. And even the off key performance blew away the likes of average Olly and weak as dishwater Lloyd.

And I'm not even a Danyl fan lol.
Nickr10113
07-11-2009
As I said about Danniis comments about his sexuality, if you think his performance and crying was not engineered, you are a sucker - Cowell had to do it to make his cllimb back to the top more believable after he oversold him. More worrying is that he was placed in the bottom two - if this can be set up to be part of 'his journey' then you have to think twice about the whole competition. Technically, you just have to not record votes rather than add them so it would be far less difficult for the production company to organise for Cowell.
researchshirley
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by rufusrufus:
“I don't think it is anger, it's just that Danyl seems to have a mass of people who don't like him but who seem to think of nothing, other than him.
It's a bit wierd for us, Danyl's fans, who cannot understand why people would devote a big part of their leisure time negatively writing about someone they 'hate'.
Wouldn't life be more pleasant if you just got on with celebrating who you do like in the competition?
There are two people in the show I really don't like, they annoy me as much as Danyl's detractors are annoyed by him , but apart from the odd comment I just try to ignore them , they are never going to get my vote .
The almost psychotic dislike is also a bit disturbing, it just doesn't seem like the normal behavior of rational adults, I just don't get it.”

I really don't think there are many people here who truly hate Danyl. That would be ridiculous as none of us know him and it would be an awful waste of energy. What is wrong though with expressing dismay at his more fanatical supporters when many of us believe he's one of the least appealing contestants in the show's history. It's all fun debate ultimately though so Danyl fans - chill out!
Lizzy11268
07-11-2009
researchshirley, I am TOTALLY chilled out!
mitacond
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by Lizzy11268:
“researchshirley, I am TOTALLY chilled out! ”

I hope so Lizzy
neelia
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by researchshirley:
“I really don't think there are many people here who truly hate Danyl. That would be ridiculous as none of us know him and it would be an awful waste of energy. What is wrong though with expressing dismay at his more fanatical supporters when many of us believe he's one of the least appealing contestants in the show's history. It's all fun debate ultimately though so Danyl fans - chill out!”

No there are probably not that many but there have been some who give a good appearance of hating him and who say that they do.

As some of the debate is defamation of character I don't find it much fun and you don't need to be a fan of his to find that unpleasant.
Love Bear
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by Nickr10113:
“As I said about Danniis comments about his sexuality, if you think his performance and crying was not engineered, you are a sucker - Cowell had to do it to make his cllimb back to the top more believable after he oversold him. More worrying is that he was placed in the bottom two - if this can be set up to be part of 'his journey' then you have to think twice about the whole competition. Technically, you just have to not record votes rather than add them so it would be far less difficult for the production company to organise for Cowell.”

I'm normally as cynical as you but I really don't think he was acting.

I really don't think Danyl is the chosen one either - it's far too obvious.
Nickr10113
07-11-2009
If he wasnt a drama teacher I wouldnt have suggested it about the crying either but as for the failure to sing, it was clearly staged and it makes obvious sense - one poster here also mentioned that he understood that the betting exchange betfair were aware of what was happening in advance which makes sense. Make of that what you will but overall I dont think of it as cynical but rather as trying to be clear sighted about all of this.
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