Clealry they get this because they cannot sing.

However the other's just have to come on and sing.

Isn't it all a bit unfair that their deficiences are covered up but everyone else's are not.

Maybe unfair, but thats the way it is. I, for one, don't mind it - its not like there's anyone left that doesnt know they can't sing.
And they are highly entertaining.

I expect at some point, they will do a ballad. And it will be a " big production" ballad that everyone can laugh along to and then vote for them anyway.

As for the others, those that are left have both good things and not so good things about them, that most of us have already worked out.

So, I guess, now at least, it doesnt really matter.

i think its unfair...but then i dont think the people behind the show care anymore....as someone posted on another thread.....its all just a ploy to get more viewers than strictly....so when alls said and done......scd will still be viewed as a very dignified and professional dancing competition with the winner being the best dancer and the x factor (which no one takes seriously anymore) will have to live with the fact it ended up with the winner having no singing talent whatsoever

Have you been watching Strictly recently? Zoe voted out, Ali and Jade in the bottom two, all fantastic dancers, whereas Craig, Chris, Tuffers, Ricky are all still there. Last year John Sargent would have won if he hadn't dropped out.

Last year X factor had a more deserving winner than Strictly, even though I loved Tom. It's still early days yet and there are good acts left in the competition.

as soon as i'd posted i thought crap....someones gonna pick me up on that

The others aren't charismatic enough to pull off those routines. They would also end up sounding as bad as J&E if they tried to move like that and sing at the same time.

Also, I'd say Lloyd, Olly and Jamie were all given "elaborate routines" last week alone.

J and E are a DIFFERENT style of ENTERTAINMENT.

This IS the thing that detractors just refuse to get and why they need to start threads like this when that is just SO obvious.

That is what they have always had problems with: THEY decided wrongly that this is a singing show and caused their own problems as they decided that J and E are the worst singers, and therefore couldn't understand it.

I feel sorry for them at their constant trying to understand and justify J and E's place in this competition.

J and E are not the best singers, but they entertain: That's it!

Therefore J and E's style of entertainment IS a big production with loads happening whilst someone else's style is none of that.

So it makes no sense to suggest that somehow someone not getting all that is unfair.

It's like Jamie playing the guitar one week and suggesting that if all the other acts don't get to play the guitar as well, then it's damned unfair! - And never asking if someone else actually plays the guitar.

You might as well ask: Should everyone else jump on J and E's bandwagon and do an entertainment form that doesn't suit them and that they couldn't pull off?

Agreed! Each to their own brand and style.

If the twins are not allowed to sing an old rock n roll number whilst walking down glass stairs and ripping their shirts off, is it somehow unfair?

Answer: No, as that is what Olly does and suits him.

i dont think j & e have ever pulled off one their routines.....last week they forgot the words and the dance routine....i dont think they did that on purpose for the comedy value...i dont think they can do it

Yes they are. Acts that can't dance are not given complex dance routines. Stacey last week was praised for a routine that consisted of standing up and walking to the middle of the stage then walking off to the side.

The others can do the big routines if they want to but in practice I think we would find that whilst they may be able to move around the stage during the routine it is the pro dancers who would be doing most of the work. I think the serious vocalists would be reluctant to sing hanging from bars; bouncing on all fours; or sing a chorus horizontally on their backs whilst crowd surfing Jedward stylee! Even a top artist like Michael Jackson used to lip synch to certain songs as the dance routines were just so energetic. I think, given the choice, most of the other contestants would be reluctant to compromise their vocal performances in the name of entertainment by doing too much dancing.

I don't think the other contestants ought to be too jealous of John and Edward's routines. J&E aren't really taken seriously as vocalists but the publicity that J&E have brought to the show has resulted in record audiences and has hightened all their profiles and as a result a whole posse of them will probably get signed up by various record companys after the show ends.

All part of the charm!

Some people can't understand Karaoke in a pub, (they don't understand what is funny/good/entertaining about watching people who can't sing) and yet 1000s do it 4 times a week all across the country and come home after having a fantastic evening.

The same with line-dancing.

They might forget a few words/moves tonight as well and it won't matter one bit!

It's freeform entertainment!

They are only entertaining to some because of there set, take that away and they are nothing.

so if itv suddenly got rid of the x factor and replaced with a show that for two hours would just have people standing up and singing karaoke you'd find that enjoyable.

because i may be mistaken but i think itv have tried that and i dont think it went down very well

I don't think anyone is blocking a big stage show for any of the singers.The backing dancers are available for every act,and if Dannii or Cheryl requested a big stage show with pyrotechnics for one of their singers,I can't see how the producers could refuse,in the interests of fair play.

I don't like line-dancing and a whole show of two hours of it on a Saturday night would probably not go down well at all.

But the doesn't justify me dismissing it at all, just as it's not my cup of tea.

That's what you are doing: You dislike something and think that that justifies why it shouldn't be on or allowed for others to watch it.

You then apply majority rule to back up what you like and yet fail to see that Jedward are a small part of a whole show, not the whole event.

Don't like them? Fine! There are many other singers and things in the show that you may find entertaining.

If not, then there are many many many other channels nowadays.

For example,Lloyd used an elaborate routine with a large number of dancers for I Kissed A Girl.

Fact is though,he's as stiff as a board and cannot dance,which is why he was completely overshadowed by Jedward.

Nobody seems to have picked up on the point that J & E are extremely athletic and are able to pull off big stage shows with lots of choreography and movement with ease.The rest of the singers look stiff with no natural rhythm and it seems none of them can dance.

I love John and Edwards performances, but there is a little bit of me that thinks that all the others at some point or other should attempt some dance moves, if only a little bit, and to have the dancers on stage. I think it would be good experience for them.

i want to see Danyl dance, he is a dance and drama teacher after all, it would be nice to see it on stage!

I could not agree more - J and E would be nothing if it was not for Brian! It not their own expertise that keeps them in but Brians! Most people vote for them just so they can mock them - I certainly do not think they could make it as dancers either...they are all over the place!

well i'm not doing that..i was trying to make a point....lots of people who like the twins keep saying that they're the only contestants who can do a big performance well...all i said was that....they forget words and the dance routine...i think thats a fair comment.

i dont like them or dislike them....i just dont think they're good at what they're meant to be good at.

the sad thing is....if they went on BGT they probably wouldnt have got through the audition.