Do you all realise that he is in the ITV1 series every day this week - Monday to Friday! With his brother.

I've read on DS that he said he got to dance with 'the best dancer in the world.'

***None**** of them were aware

They wouldn't entered strictly to be ridiculed every Sat night

They **found out** they were crap dancers *after* the whooooooooooole world told them so

Yet another tediously obvious Fact!!

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I agree Karen always said Dom was uber competitive and I think he said so himself in his interview in the Strictly annual. His motto given there was 'if you can't succeed through ability - cheat" and although he couldn't cheat at Strictly he did the best he could too although in fairness he worked pretty hard too. I think it was that competitiveness which gave him his unpleasant edge like being glad Gaby got kicked off when no one else was. If you look at the footage of Zoe going last week Craig is in the background looking as upset as everyone else and for all his faults he did say at interview that he deserves to go because everyone else is better than him. He's severely deluded about how good he is but he doesn't think he's Ricky Whittle and the fact he described everyone else as brilliant would indicate he's deluded about the abilities of other people too - aka Ricky G at least who is now probably the weakest link now (and it hurts to say that because I like him and find his dancing entertaining). I think it is because he's not got enough ability to be able to judge it in others but then I think some cheorographers aren't good dancers and the GMTV lot never seemed to under any delusions about how good they weren't.

Yes that's right - so he did something as good if not better than thanking her.

In fairness to Craig he's probably good enough for it not be obvious he sucks - i.e he's not Richard Dunwoody, Joe Wood or Joe Calzagy. Rav seemed to think he was better than he actually was as well.

Jan Ravens and Dom Littlewood seemed to suffer from the same delusion. Dom had zero ability to dance in time to music so I think it was combination of not being able to be aware enough to know he was rubbish - he got away with it by being entertaining and going for it with gusto and because he had the great fortune of having Lilia as a partner who could tailor routines that played to his strengths until they got to the paso and she couldn't have done it without going down the Chris Parker full out comedy route whcih I think both her and Dom had too much pride to do and possibly due to her father's illness and his gropping she'd just lost interest at that stage.

He tried really hard and was hoping the comments might reflect that no doubt.

I applaud his effort and the way he continued to work hard and remain positive. His dancing was of the "floppy fish" variety but Flavia seemed to have given up on him long ago. Where were the poles up the spine? The corset to tuck him in? Did we just not see it or was it not done?

Fabulous dancer she is. I know what makes a good teacher and she doesn't have those qualities.

I always reckon its important to like yourself. One of the best ways to be unhappy is to try to meet standards other people set for you. Its better to set yourself your own standards and be happy. I hope Craig is still happy and now people will give him a break. He didn't actually do anything wrong unless you judge him by the wrong standard.

It was a dance competition dressed up as entertainment or entertainment dressed up as a dance competition. Craig gave it a go and learned to dance a bit - like everyone else.

Thank you for wise words.

I'm as guilty as anyone else for imposing standards. I say Phil is lazy and he could dance much better, but if Phil doesn't choose to, then really that's OK. Its a matter of not taking things too seriously and remembering everyone is different - not necessarily bad, just different.

Craig was different from everyone else I've ever seen learning to dance, but he is a nice person - thats important.

I applaud Craig for his undoubted effort.

I think what you mean is that they will never understand what it is that means they can't dance. It doesn't mean they are not aware that they can't dance. Give people credit for intelligence please (not sure Craig has any). If professional dancers, or even good dancers tell someone enough times that they can't dance, then I think they will KNOW they can't dance (apart from Craig, who falls into your category, of being completely blind to the truth. He did improve a little though, which is probably why he thought his marks shouldn't have gone down.

i think i mean that Craig (like many) genuinely does not know how bad he is at dancing and to interpret this dilution as conceit is wrong

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Yeah I gotta say it really amazes me how he thinks he's really good!

On a slightly different topic, Alesha's comment "Zoe went out last week and I had to endure that!" was far ruder than Craig's "bush kangaroo" and yet nobody went storming out. Just shows how immature Brendan was.

I don't really think someone can fully make that judgement unless you've been taught by her yourself. She did have Craig wearing a belt in training to improve his posture I recall aswell. Its easy to make judgements on the little training footage we see, but it can never be truly informed.

Its possible she was not the right teacher for Craig but I have heard from many that she is a good teacher.

We did see Flavia teaching Craig the basics before the Waltz and his best in training was better than he did on the night. I grew to doubt Flavia's teaching ability, and she only had one pupil (Matt D) who had talent, so we didn't have a large base of evidence, but I'm prepared to give her a free pardon on Craig - I think even Lilia would have struggled.

people can be 'delusional' without being mentally ill.... look at all the X factor 'hopefuls'... we all kid ourselves we're better at some things than we really are...

but Craig was exceptionally impervious to evidence / reason...

so glad he's gone....

I feel a true test of her teaching abilities would be with a middling dancer, such as Chris Hollins or Ricky G. She's never had one of those and I think I'd like to see her get someone like that next year. She's had 3 duffers and a Matt.

He actually had a bag of potatoes for a head....

Lilia failed to get Richard Dunwoody very far and could only do so much with Dom Littlewood - even the best teacher isn't a miracle worker - some people are just sows ears and I think Craig might have been one of them. In terms of delusion it isn't the pros or the friends and family of the contestants job to tell them they're rubbish it doesn't help (especially since Craig had problems with nerves early on so Flavia probably just thought as did we all that if she gave him so confidence he'd improve - I think it was obvious on foxtrot week where he didn't get nervious and was still bad that this was not the case) and the judges aren't always right either so I suppose it's easy to dismiss what they say.

I concur. I do agree that Craig was awful last night but what she said I thought was down right nasty.

Brendan probably wouldn't have walked out at Alesha's comment though....he just clearly has it in for Craig. If Craig had said what Alesha said last night, Len and Bruce would have hit the roof.

It must now be a blessed relief for Flavia.

Like some perhaps....

Just as some seem bissfully unaware what complete drivel they post as FACT.