I didn't want Alesha on this panel for all the reasons that have already been discussed, but I did like her comment to Craig. And I think it was the only one which gave him pause for thought.
Alesha - comments tonight? (merged)
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Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Thanks Sid. I was just about to post the same thing. Well, a, rather than b.
she also made a remark about Craig thinking he was good, when I honestly believe his tongue was in his cheek and she should have considered that possibility.]
Alesha came across as not too bright, not funny, and rather nasty. She crossed the line when she mentioned Zoe. Zoe's exit had nothing to do with Craig, it was low and unacceptable.
Her 'my love' comment in the dance off, is typical of 'low level' put down in my area, and it came across as not just patronising, but nasty too.
All in all, Alesha angered and disappointed me tonight. There really was no need for the way she did what she did. She revealed herself in an unattractive way, I'm afraid, and I've always liked Alesha.”
“Thanks Sid. I was just about to post the same thing. Well, a, rather than b.
she also made a remark about Craig thinking he was good, when I honestly believe his tongue was in his cheek and she should have considered that possibility.]
Alesha came across as not too bright, not funny, and rather nasty. She crossed the line when she mentioned Zoe. Zoe's exit had nothing to do with Craig, it was low and unacceptable.
Her 'my love' comment in the dance off, is typical of 'low level' put down in my area, and it came across as not just patronising, but nasty too.
All in all, Alesha angered and disappointed me tonight. There really was no need for the way she did what she did. She revealed herself in an unattractive way, I'm afraid, and I've always liked Alesha.”
It really has been tiresome having to watch Craig and listen to his misplaced confidence week after week. BUT Alesha hasn't done herself any favours speaking in the way she did. She has just proved what she is - A FISHWIFE. The language she used was totally unacceptable and only used by lowlife - of which she is definitely one. A pretty one who can dance. End of story.
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“What have you been watching? Craig's an amazing actor.”
“What have you been watching? Craig's an amazing actor.”
He was in Queer As Folk but in Corrie he pretty much played his own character.
Originally Posted by David Wright:
“Actually the viewers DO get to vote on Alesha Dixon and unfortunatey they are doing so in droves by switching off SCD and switching on Simon Cowells freak show.
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“Actually the viewers DO get to vote on Alesha Dixon and unfortunatey they are doing so in droves by switching off SCD and switching on Simon Cowells freak show.
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Maybe the public are voting with their feet??
I too hope Alesha has "other projects" on next year and wonder what SCD will look like when Darcy Bussell appears?? Will audiences be perplexed and switch off further?? Or will there be a more positive effect??
TBH the more Im seeing of Karen Harding on ITT the more Im liking the idea of her as a judge...
Originally Posted by BruciesToupe:
“Yep, Ive totally given up trying to like her. I just can't bear her and find myself being more irritated her with each passing week. Her only claim to the role was her ability to identify with the contestants, and she has even managed to alienate people who supported her in this capacity. She has obvious favourites (her chums), a tendancy to bitch rather than critique and still can't be a**** to even try and speak properly. Old arguments I know, but sorry, the girl does absolutely nothing for me and adds very little to the show other than being vaguely pretty.
I only hope the BBC see sense and replace her for next year.”
“Yep, Ive totally given up trying to like her. I just can't bear her and find myself being more irritated her with each passing week. Her only claim to the role was her ability to identify with the contestants, and she has even managed to alienate people who supported her in this capacity. She has obvious favourites (her chums), a tendancy to bitch rather than critique and still can't be a**** to even try and speak properly. Old arguments I know, but sorry, the girl does absolutely nothing for me and adds very little to the show other than being vaguely pretty.
I only hope the BBC see sense and replace her for next year.”
NO - THIS YEAR
Originally Posted by dottiep:
“It really has been tiresome having to watch Craig and listen to his misplaced confidence week after week. BUT Alesha hasn't done herself any favours speaking in the way she did. She has just proved what she is - A FISHWIFE. The language she used was totally unacceptable and only used by lowlife - of which she is definitely one. A pretty one who can dance. End of story.”
“It really has been tiresome having to watch Craig and listen to his misplaced confidence week after week. BUT Alesha hasn't done herself any favours speaking in the way she did. She has just proved what she is - A FISHWIFE. The language she used was totally unacceptable and only used by lowlife - of which she is definitely one. A pretty one who can dance. End of story.”
A lowlife fishwife?
What is that judgement based on? The fact she speaks with a London accent and probably didn't get a good grade for GSCE English? Dear me.
I was happy to see Craig go but me and my OH were STUNNED by what Alesha said to him. .
I think Alesha showed herself up big time tonight and from now on she deserves all the criticism she gets. It was a HORRIBLE thing to say to anyone.
I think Alesha showed herself up big time tonight and from now on she deserves all the criticism she gets. It was a HORRIBLE thing to say to anyone.
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“Right. This is what the judges said to Craig -
Craig - You better hope I think that people at home are voting for you because that wasn't good at all. It was flatfooted, stompy and in fact it reminded me of a Thunderbird - (he gave a 3)
Len - Well Craig I know your goal was to make it to Blackpool and you've done that and I'm so glad for you that you have achieved that, but you know this is a dance...and I don't like to be nasty or anything, but we've seen all the couples and in fairness to them I've got to say yours is the weakest performance, you know it's one of those things, it doesn't make you a bad person, it's just a fact...there's been some great performances today (he gave a 5)
This last bit is said whilst Craig replies - Well there has been some brilliant performances...
He goes on to say - I was just saying there's been some amazing performances and he had a great time he really thought it went well... for me any way...(he says something to Flavia I didn't catch)
Alesha - I'm happy you got to Blackpool Craig, but I can't believe Zoe's gone and I had to endure that...I'm not being..no it was like you ...no you're not as good as you think you are ...it's like you were tip toeing over hot coals, your cha cha walks were very feminine last week there was a glimmer of hope this weeks dad's back...sorry (she gave a 4)
Bruno - Craig my darling the beginning when you stood still I actually loved it because I could look at Flavia she's so gorgeous then the nightmare began I don't know if I'm ever gonna to wake up with that...they are all right I think we are getting to a stage now where we are see people achieving really really good standards and we cannot just let this go by..it just was not good enough (he gave a 5)
Craig replies - Bruno why do you do this to me?
Bruno - Because I like you...but I speak the truth
Craig - I was amazing in training...you don't see...
Why is Alesha's comment so much worse than Craig's or Bruno's?
It's not the first time a judge has made reference to a better dancer going at the expense of a poorer one. In what way did she was she rude? People on here have been saying for weeks that Craig is clearly deluded about his dancing ability and I'd say Flavia knows this, but humours him. So how should Alesha have phrased her comments? Should she have just said something bland and leave it to Craig and Bruno to be more specific than Len's 'you are the weakest dancer' line?
Well done Alesha for saying in a straight forward way what others have been saying for weeks. Arlene would have been proud of you. After all, Craig had already been told the same thing in a nice way so often, that nothing else would have got through to him.”
“Right. This is what the judges said to Craig -
Craig - You better hope I think that people at home are voting for you because that wasn't good at all. It was flatfooted, stompy and in fact it reminded me of a Thunderbird - (he gave a 3)
Len - Well Craig I know your goal was to make it to Blackpool and you've done that and I'm so glad for you that you have achieved that, but you know this is a dance...and I don't like to be nasty or anything, but we've seen all the couples and in fairness to them I've got to say yours is the weakest performance, you know it's one of those things, it doesn't make you a bad person, it's just a fact...there's been some great performances today (he gave a 5)
This last bit is said whilst Craig replies - Well there has been some brilliant performances...
He goes on to say - I was just saying there's been some amazing performances and he had a great time he really thought it went well... for me any way...(he says something to Flavia I didn't catch)
Alesha - I'm happy you got to Blackpool Craig, but I can't believe Zoe's gone and I had to endure that...I'm not being..no it was like you ...no you're not as good as you think you are ...it's like you were tip toeing over hot coals, your cha cha walks were very feminine last week there was a glimmer of hope this weeks dad's back...sorry (she gave a 4)
Bruno - Craig my darling the beginning when you stood still I actually loved it because I could look at Flavia she's so gorgeous then the nightmare began I don't know if I'm ever gonna to wake up with that...they are all right I think we are getting to a stage now where we are see people achieving really really good standards and we cannot just let this go by..it just was not good enough (he gave a 5)
Craig replies - Bruno why do you do this to me?
Bruno - Because I like you...but I speak the truth
Craig - I was amazing in training...you don't see...
Why is Alesha's comment so much worse than Craig's or Bruno's?
It's not the first time a judge has made reference to a better dancer going at the expense of a poorer one. In what way did she was she rude? People on here have been saying for weeks that Craig is clearly deluded about his dancing ability and I'd say Flavia knows this, but humours him. So how should Alesha have phrased her comments? Should she have just said something bland and leave it to Craig and Bruno to be more specific than Len's 'you are the weakest dancer' line?
Well done Alesha for saying in a straight forward way what others have been saying for weeks. Arlene would have been proud of you. After all, Craig had already been told the same thing in a nice way so often, that nothing else would have got through to him.”
On this occasion Buddy we'll agree to disagree.
Not only was Alesha partisan, but she was bloody rude with few credentials to support her asperity. I was tempted to describe her comments as disrespectful, insolent and impertinent - but perhaps insensitive will suffice.
Originally Posted by janetcomelately:
“I think singers will disagree that their art is not technical.
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“I think singers will disagree that their art is not technical.
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It of course depends what kind of singing your talking about. The kind of singing they're doing on Cowells show is not technical at all.
I don't bother with Alesha's comments. I try not to listen as I feel embarrassed for her. She has no authority to pass comment on the dancers and hopefully she will bow out at the end of this series.
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Alesha came across as not too bright, not funny, and rather nasty. She crossed the line when she mentioned Zoe. Zoe's exit had nothing to do with Craig, it was low and unacceptable.
Her 'my love' comment in the dance off, is typical of 'low level' put down in my area, and it came across as not just patronising, but nasty too.
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“Alesha came across as not too bright, not funny, and rather nasty. She crossed the line when she mentioned Zoe. Zoe's exit had nothing to do with Craig, it was low and unacceptable.
Her 'my love' comment in the dance off, is typical of 'low level' put down in my area, and it came across as not just patronising, but nasty too.
.”
Thick as a brick comes to mind - from one who defended her against the grammar police.
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“I thought she was very bitchy towards Craig tonight
What happened to empathising with the celebs and seeing it from their persepctive and being supportive of them?”
“I thought she was very bitchy towards Craig tonight
What happened to empathising with the celebs and seeing it from their persepctive and being supportive of them?”
Well said Sid. I too thought her role was to support and empathise and see things from their perspective. She too is not as great as she thinks she is! Craig may not be the most talented dancer but he tries hard and spends hours practising. It was not is fault that Zoe Lucker was voted out and he certainly didn't deserve a tongue lashing from the sainted Ms Dixon who, at the end of the day, is no expert. I don't think she's a bitch - I know she is. What a cow.
Originally Posted by boddism:
“Maybe the public are voting with their feet??
I too hope Alesha has "other projects" on next year and wonder what SCD will look like when Darcy Bussell appears?? Will audiences be perplexed and switch off further?? Or will there be a more positive effect??
TBH the more Im seeing of Karen Harding on ITT the more Im liking the idea of her as a judge...”
“Maybe the public are voting with their feet??
I too hope Alesha has "other projects" on next year and wonder what SCD will look like when Darcy Bussell appears?? Will audiences be perplexed and switch off further?? Or will there be a more positive effect??
TBH the more Im seeing of Karen Harding on ITT the more Im liking the idea of her as a judge...”
I think its too late to turn this season around really. BBC bosses will have to go back to the drawing board next year, replacing AD with someone credible is just the first of many changces that need making. For instance they should have a shorter series by about 4 weeks. The need to split up the main and results shows by an hour or so like it was originally. The ridiculous showmances are ruining the tone of the show, IMO. The judges have got to stop complaining about the public vote. And its probably time for Bruce to retire (hopefully with his much earned Knighthood)
However, undoubtedly long term damage has been done to SCD and whatever the BBC does it may well be that its glory days are over....
Originally Posted by layumba:
“Craig did not send Zoe home so that Alesha had to 'endure' his dancing.
Totally out of order!”
“Craig did not send Zoe home so that Alesha had to 'endure' his dancing.
Totally out of order!”
I agree with this comment. Craig wasn't up to the standard of the others and was quite rightly at the bottom of the leader board. I fully expected him to be out this week. However I was very surprised at Alesha's comments about having to endure his dancing attempts. That's what she's on the panel for isn't it - to watch all the dances good or bad irrespective of whether she thinks they ought to be still in the competition. Also thought she was patronising to Craig when she called him 'my love'.
Originally Posted by dottiep:
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BUT Alesha hasn't done herself any favours speaking in the way she did. She has just proved what she is - A FISHWIFE. ”
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BUT Alesha hasn't done herself any favours speaking in the way she did. She has just proved what she is - A FISHWIFE. ”
Please not to insult fishwives, many of whom are decent, upstanding, kind, and not at all fishy.
Originally Posted by ianswaiting:
“They were harsh but the performance was dire beyond belief. He had a free pass into this week at the expense of someone much better than him. That was an opportunity to shine. He didn't - he actually got worse.”
“They were harsh but the performance was dire beyond belief. He had a free pass into this week at the expense of someone much better than him. That was an opportunity to shine. He didn't - he actually got worse.”
I have to agree with you there and as I have said before over the diffferent series I have heard a lot worse said to Celebs than what has been said to Craig on the whole I think the judges were not that bad to someone who just could not accept he could not dance. I think it had to be said to get through to the public otherwise we really could have had a John S situation and it could have resulted in more better dancers leaving.
Originally Posted by Kez100:
“Alesha is always saying she believes in karma.
Well, she had better watch her back!”
“Alesha is always saying she believes in karma.
Well, she had better watch her back!”
Maybe this is her facing it? She's certainly shown herself not to be the model of sweetness and light that she's been portraying.....
Sorry to veer OT, but her success was primarily off the back of her husbands adulterous affair.....
Her PR will be busy working on how to 'spin' this one around....
I think her saying what she said indicates a new self-confidence and arrogance. Is that a good or bad thing, that she will now say what she thinks without thinking about the consequences as regards how what she said is received by the wider audience - ?
Originally Posted by di60:
“Maybe this is her facing it? She's certainly shown herself not to be the model of sweetness and light that she's been portraying.....
Sorry to veer OT, but her success was primarily off the back of her husbands adulterous affair.....
Her PR will be busy working on how to 'spin' this one around....”
“Maybe this is her facing it? She's certainly shown herself not to be the model of sweetness and light that she's been portraying.....
Sorry to veer OT, but her success was primarily off the back of her husbands adulterous affair.....
Her PR will be busy working on how to 'spin' this one around....”
Unfortunatley in this case the horse has bolted
Well I have done something I have never done and that is to complain to the BBC. I feel much better now that I have got it off my chest so I am off to bed now.
Originally Posted by carol north:
“I have to agree with you there and as I have said before over the diffferent series I have heard a lot worse said to Celebs than what has been said to Craig on the whole I think the judges were not that bad to someone who just could not accept he could not dance. I think it had to be said to get through to the public otherwise we really could have had a John S situation and it could have resulted in more better dancers leaving.”
“I have to agree with you there and as I have said before over the diffferent series I have heard a lot worse said to Celebs than what has been said to Craig on the whole I think the judges were not that bad to someone who just could not accept he could not dance. I think it had to be said to get through to the public otherwise we really could have had a John S situation and it could have resulted in more better dancers leaving.”
I think the public was quite aware how bad a dancer Craig was to be honest. Consistently being at the bottom of the leaderboard is a bit of a giveaway really. I don't think it needed Alesha bashing us round the head with a "Craig is crap and Zoe should still be here" placard.
As for the John Sergeant situation - surely part of the reason for that was precisely what happened tonight - the judges getting over-aerated about the public vote. I think the show was lucky that Alesha's comments didn't backfire tonight. I certainly don't think that her "plain speaking" had anything to do with the outcome.
Originally Posted by petertard:
“I think her saying what she said indicates a new self-confidence and arrogance. Is that a good or bad thing, that she will now say what she thinks without thinking about the consequences as regards how what she said is received by the wider audience - ?”
“I think her saying what she said indicates a new self-confidence and arrogance. Is that a good or bad thing, that she will now say what she thinks without thinking about the consequences as regards how what she said is received by the wider audience - ?”
Self confident and arrogant - methinks you're right; but sadly I doubt that such confidence and arrogance stems from any deep or innate knowledge of dance.
She is a very successful competitor of SCD - nothing more, nothing less.
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