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Alesha - comments tonight? (merged)
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Ignazio
08-11-2009
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“Despite the gobsmacking nature of some of the comments in this thread, I cannot help but feel that some posters have gone OTT, and this has just turned into another excuse to attack Alesha.

Might Alesha have chosen her words more carefully last night? Sure. If I was Zoe, I would actually have felt embarrassed. Alesha certainly appeared rather out of character and I can understand why some people bumped on her parting shot to Craig when she cast her final vote. But I think you may find she said what quite a few people were thinking - perhaps more bluntly than she should have, but nevertheless ...

But, as others have said, it's no less personal or vindictive than many comments from Craig, Arlene or (especially) Bruno. Indeed, Bruno has become particularly spiteful - the NEW queen of mean, if ever there was one ... What surprised people is that it came from Alesha - and that, in turn, has been leapt on by a faction who always resented her in the first place as a reason to rubbish her all over again. :yawn:

I haven't seen any tabloid coverage of Saturday's show but I would wager the likes of the Daily Heil will quote a few of the most vitriolic comments and transform them into a 'story' it can then use to slag off the BBC, stop the Licence Fee, etc.

But I can't totally blame Alesha for that. Again, it's the producers: the judges report to them, and they should make it clear what tone they expect from each of them. Sadly, yet another indication that there is a void at the top of Strictly, with nobody managing the show. ”

I respect your opinion. Whilst in disagreement, I think your point would have been better made without the yawning smilie.
marvola45
08-11-2009
Some of the comments have been a bit OTT, but that doesn't take away from the fact that Alesha was beyond rude last night. It's not Craig's fault that he's better at canvassing for votes than he is at dancing.
dottiep
09-11-2009
Originally Posted by sammyvine:
“Well if anything comes from this she only has herself to blame because i am sure if she watches that it she will be really dissapointed in herself. On Ferne and Alesha....she said when she was dropped from her record deal and all that with her husband, she didnt understand because she was a nice person and would never be nasty to anyone.”

Yea, but she won't be disappointed in herself because, like Craig, she has a serious case of misplaced confidence. Shown herself over the weeks to be an ill-informed, arrogant person, who is pretty and can dance and in the wrong job.
Servalan
09-11-2009
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“I respect your opinion. Whilst in disagreement, I think your point would have been better made without the yawning smilie.”

Sorry if the :yawn: irked you - maybe a would have been more appropriate?

Obviously all opinions are valid - but I do get a little weary of the slightest thing Alesha says or does being blown out of all proportion when other judges (and one judge in particular ...) make far more damning comments and gets away with it.

Sure, Alesha would have done well to rephrase what she said. It sounded immature and a far cry from the font of positivity she's previously claimed to be.

However, it comes nowhere near Bruno's blunt 'You can't dance' line that he flung at Craig a week or so before - a remark way more destructive, yet nobody picked up on it.

Incidentally, I don't think Craig had misplaced confidence. I think it was all a scam - wind up the judges by claiming you think you can dance, then feign hurt when they criticise you ... Vaguely amusing on one level, perhaps, but not the kind of joke you'd want to see played out every week.

In the end, it didn't actually matter that much what Alesha said - Craig was never going to be the next John Sergeant, and just wasn't popular enough to survive.
stargazer61
09-11-2009
just watched Karen on Breakfast Time and I think she summed it all up nicely when she said 'we all gave a sharp intake of breath when Alesha said what she said'.

Have watched Alesha's comment again and I think it was rude, condesending, and a little spiteful. I agree that Alesha was correct but not in the way she said it!
Iphigenia
09-11-2009
While annoyed at myself for still being annoyed about this (memo to self: get a life)

I think it was the disjunct between previous weeks, where sometimes Alesha had been anodyne, sometimes she'd had good comments - a fair mixture, I thought, and this week, when it just sounded petulant and vicious. The thing that really piqued me was, the 'that *I* should have had to endure that ' comment - who the blank does she think she is? Others sat through it, why not her?

Hey, it's only television - but I'm regularly concerned by the number of times that 'rude' is passed off as 'honest'; 'rude' is just 'rude'.
The_abbott
09-11-2009
If Craig or Bruno had said what Alesha said to Craig Kelly they would have got an earful from Len.
Helenaka
09-11-2009
Originally Posted by dottiep:
“Not the language to use in a professionnal situation. Ok on a day to day basis in a casual situation.”



Fair enough, I'll agree to that. Fishwife just seemed a bit harsh IMHO.

I agree in essence with what she said, but I do think that her opinion should have been made more tactfully and constructively.

But then she doesn't seem to be able to express herself verbally that well.

In fairness to Aleisha though, I've heard worse from CRH and BT mouths.
gorlagon
09-11-2009
I also tend to think that Craig was hamming it up and was absolutely aware how bad he was - hence the hysteria from everyone in the Tesspit.

I wouldn't quite regard myself as up in arms over Alesha's remarks - but everyone in the Gorlagon house had the same reaction to them on Saturday night: "Oh my word, what a graceless, not-in-the-spirit reaction. Silly bint's getting too big for her boots".

In the cold light of day, we don't really think Alesha's too big for her boots, or vicious, or whatever. We think she came across badly in the ten seconds given her and if immediate reactions weren't the name of the game in Strictly judging, she'd have said something more moderated and tactful.

Sadly though, she did come across as a complete See You Next Tuesday.
Abbasolutely 40
09-11-2009
Originally Posted by Iphigenia:
“While annoyed at myself for still being annoyed about this (memo to self: get a life)

I think it was the disjunct between previous weeks, where sometimes Alesha had been anodyne, sometimes she'd had good comments - a fair mixture, I thought, and this week, when it just sounded petulant and vicious. The thing that really piqued me was, the 'that *I* should have had to endure that ' comment - who the blank does she think she is? Others sat through it, why not her?

Hey, it's only television - but I'm regularly concerned by the number of times that 'rude' is passed off as 'honest'; 'rude' is just 'rude'.”


I so agree , this new statement " I was only being myself "" so bugs me
My answer to it is " Then yourself is rude and arrogant so maybe change it "
I thought Alesha was downright rude, under the belt , uncalled for and it was petulant and mean
dottiep
09-11-2009
Incidentally, I don't think Craig had misplaced confidence. I think it was all a scam - wind up the judges by claiming you think you can dance, then feign hurt when they criticise you ... Vaguely amusing on one level, perhaps, but not the kind of joke you'd want to see played out every week.


It did cross my mind that it could have been Craig's humour but it was quite unfunny really.
Dr. Jan Itor
09-11-2009
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“Sorry if the :yawn: irked you - maybe a would have been more appropriate?

Obviously all opinions are valid - but I do get a little weary of the slightest thing Alesha says or does being blown out of all proportion when other judges (and one judge in particular ...) make far more damning comments and gets away with it.

Sure, Alesha would have done well to rephrase what she said. It sounded immature and a far cry from the font of positivity she's previously claimed to be.

However, it comes nowhere near Bruno's blunt 'You can't dance' line that he flung at Craig a week or so before - a remark way more destructive, yet nobody picked up on it.

Incidentally, I don't think Craig had misplaced confidence. I think it was all a scam - wind up the judges by claiming you think you can dance, then feign hurt when they criticise you ... Vaguely amusing on one level, perhaps, but not the kind of joke you'd want to see played out every week.

In the end, it didn't actually matter that much what Alesha said - Craig was never going to be the next John Sergeant, and just wasn't popular enough to survive.”

Whether one line is worse than another or not is a subjective thing, so I respect your opinion that Bruno's line was worse. I cannot agree though, as while I disagreed with Bruno I think it was an honest critique of Craig's dancing as he saw it, which is his job as a judge. Alesha's comment wasn't critique, it was just rude and unnecessary.
dottiep
09-11-2009
Originally Posted by The_abbott:
“If Craig or Bruno had said what Alesha said to Craig Kelly they would have got an earful from Len.”

I feel it was so unexpected and everyone was taken by surprise which would have wrongfooted Len and he couldn't respond immediately. The others made rude and personal remarks, true. But they are already established in the show and get away with it. She is still on probation. Still has a lot to prove. Can't afford to be cockey at this stage. BBC have made such an enormous boob giving her this responsibility. Hope they are thinking twicw now of promoting her further into other programmes which will enable her to show her limitations. God has she let herself down. I now just couldn't watch anything with her as a guest or host or anything else. Pretty girl who can dance. That is her CV.
Sylvia
09-11-2009
Originally Posted by jeanid:
“Yes indeed instead of brains, class, taste and anything more than a vague knowledge about dancing. The woman is a total joke. I am annoyed with myself for actually listening to the silly rude bint!!”

I don't - I use the mute button any time she's on because I just can't be bothered listening her rubbish.

At first I thought she was just nice but dim, now she turns out not to be nice either.
workshylady
09-11-2009
There was no need for her to use the word 'endure' when in actual fact she is being paid handsomely to be there out of the licence fee payers money.
Also Craig is not the only dancer worse than Zoe, IMO Chris, Phil, Natalie and Ricky G were all less consistent than her. Are they all going to cop it next week if Laila/Ricky W/Ali etc end up in the bottom 2?
HeidiB
09-11-2009
In her defence, and I never thought I would support Alesha as a judge, she was the only one who almost got through to Craig.
alan29
09-11-2009
The girl ain't got NO manners. Who dragged her up to be so rude and with such a false view of her status?
The_abbott
09-11-2009
Originally Posted by dottiep:
“I feel it was so unexpected and everyone was taken by surprise which would have wrongfooted Len and he couldn't respond immediately. The others made rude and personal remarks, true. But they are already established in the show and get away with it. She is still on probation. Still has a lot to prove. Can't afford to be cockey at this stage. BBC have made such an enormous boob giving her this responsibility. Hope they are thinking twicw now of promoting her further into other programmes which will enable her to show her limitations. God has she let herself down. I now just couldn't watch anything with her as a guest or host or anything else. Pretty girl who can dance. That is her CV.”

Don't think Erin thought much of her critique either
occy
09-11-2009
I can't see her ear piece I don't think she be a judge next year?
Electrat
09-11-2009
Whilst I also think she was very harsh in the words she used, I can see the problem she has. Everybody knows that Len is going to take the consiliatory line, and so all the other judges have to take a point either side of that. Alesha has had an enormous amount of flack for not being qualified to take Arlene's position, so what does she do? She can either take the nicely nicely position and not be horrible to anyone or, try and carve out her own style. Most people are saying she doesn't know what she's talking about, but the number of times you hear Bruno saying 'she's absolutley right' is a suggestion that she actually does know what she's talking about.
dottiep
09-11-2009
Originally Posted by workshylady:
“There was no need for her to use the word 'endure' when in actual fact she is being paid handsomely to be there out of the licence fee payers money.
Also Craig is not the only dancer worse than Zoe, IMO Chris, Phil, Natalie and Ricky G were all less consistent than her. Are they all going to cop it next week if Laila/Ricky W/Ali etc end up in the bottom 2?”

I wonder where she picked up a big two-syllable word like "endure" anyway.
alan29
09-11-2009
Originally Posted by dottiep:
“I wonder where she picked up a big two-syllable word like "endure" anyway.”

But she did pronounce it "indoor."
SCD-Observer
09-11-2009
Originally Posted by stargazer61:
“just watched Karen on Breakfast Time and I think she summed it all up nicely when she said 'we all gave a sharp intake of breath when Alesha said what she said'.

Have watched Alesha's comment again and I think it was rude, condesending, and a little spiteful. I agree that Alesha was correct but not in the way she said it!”

The sharp intake comment is open to interpretation. She could very well mean "Gosh she's got the balls to say what I was thinking about Craig and his delusions!"
SCD-Observer
09-11-2009
Originally Posted by dottiep:
“I wonder where she picked up a big two-syllable word like "endure" anyway.”

Another vindictive dig at Alesha, surely?

And attracting the likes of alan29 to add more salt to the insult?

But of course, you are all hiding behind computer screens and so you can get away with murder.
Ignazio
09-11-2009
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“Another vindictive dig at Alesha, surely?

And attracting the likes of alan29 to add more salt to the insult?

But of course, you are all hiding behind computer screens and so you can get away with murder.”

But wouldn't you agree that Alesha's comments to Craig were vicious? Moreover it could be said that she was unprofessionally taking advantage of her position on the judges panel to humiliate him in front of millions.
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