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Alesha - comments tonight? (merged)
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beauty-1
11-11-2009
I was glad Alesha said what she did to Craig, although it was harsh. Harsh but true. She said exactly what I was thinking. He was so awful and he always thought he was doing so well. So deluded. That is why she was so blunt with her comments, to make it sink in that he is no good and maybe other dancers would be better to watch than him. But it still never sank in. When he went, I couldn't help but scream for joy. I couldn't stand watching him. I do think I would have softened to him if he had said, "I can't dance that well, but I'm trying, and if the public vote me out, then I'll accept it." A bit more like Jo was with Kristina. Rather than, "I do think I can dance and I want to stay in this competition." His lack of humility, his wooden dancing and his thinking he could dance is what made me want to see the back of him. Now I can enjoy the show without him getting on my nerves.
trunkster
11-11-2009
IMO In order to cover up her lack of technical knowledge Alesha seems have a stock set of generic comments/templates in the locker she uses every week, with a few minor adjustments and amendments of course. Obviously THAT comment she made to Craig wasn't from the same locker. It was from the 'you was well good' & 'I is gonna cut ya ya biyatch' street wise locker
tonydancer
11-11-2009
It's fine line between stereotyping and racism, trunkster. Don't fall the wrong side of it now, will you?
trunkster
11-11-2009
Originally Posted by tonydancer:
“It's fine line between stereotyping and racism, trunkster. Don't fall the wrong side of it now, will you?”

People/youngsters of ALL colours use those phrases. So don't infer or use the race card with me. Thank you so much.
BuddyBontheNet
11-11-2009
Originally Posted by sammyvine:
“You make it sound like i have something personal against her, when i was one of few people who liked her after show 1. On Hella FM, when the presenter was asking her about the complaints, she was like 'I don't know why it is such an issue when there are politicial crisis going on, it will all die down soon however''.

Those were her exact words, and i felt she sounded very arrogant imo especially when people were against her even though i agree that a bigger issue of it was made than there should have been.

I guess you can agree or disagree on this one.”

You mean after saying "Once a bitch always a bitch", you are saying you don't have something personal against her? Well, I'd hate to hear what you've got to say about someone you do have something personal against. And you have quote one radio interview. Your whole post comes over as anti-Alesha in a major way.

I don't have a problem with us disagreeing, but I do have a problem with someone being down right nasty and making sweeping generalisations. That's the kind of post that gets my back up. As I said I thought your post was inflammatory and it may just be how you have phrased it, but that's how it comes over to me.
Servalan
11-11-2009
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“You mean after saying "Once a bitch always a bitch", you are saying you don't have something personal against her? Well, I'd hate to hear what you've got to say about someone you do have something personal against. And you have quote one radio interview. Your whole post comes over as anti-Alesha in a major way.

I don't have a problem with us disagreeing, but I do have a problem with someone being down right nasty and making sweeping generalisations. That's the kind of post that gets my back up. As I said I thought your post was inflammatory and it may just be how you have phrased it, but that's how it comes over to me.”

You're not the only one, Buddy ...
lotty27
11-11-2009
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“So how come Alesha is rather more blunt than she perhaps should have been and there's an outburst of hysteria, yet Bruno is a bigger bitch than Craig and Arlene put together and nobody says anything?

It's like there's one rule for Alesha and one rule for everyone else ...”

Actually Bruno is getting right on my nerves this series. I don't think there's a bigger bitch on the panel than him. A lot of the time he's downright insulting and dismissive of the contestants if they aren't reaching his high standards. And the way he bounces out of that chair what seems like every five minutes ...

It's certainly not one rule for Alesha and one for others with me either. I don't like nastiness from any of the judges, it's unnecessary and uncalled for but I suppose it's a sign of the times that it's so accepted I know one thing - if I was a celebrity I'd think twice about appearing on this programme and risk being humiliated like that!

And as I said in my post: with a lot of viewers Alesha (being the new girl) is on probation so they're looking for the slightest thing she does 'wrong' and, whether you like it or not, Alesha IS providing them with the ammunition to throw at her. There are ways and means of saying things. She's not having to endure anything - that's her job and was downright nasty to Craig IMO.

Personally - I think she should be moved away from Bruno as his nastiness is rubbing off on her
ESPIONdansant
11-11-2009
Alesha doesn't exactly have a lot of goodwill to trade on.

Maybe it's because I'm 54 but I thought Arlene's dismissal was ageist and was upset by it. Not because I thought her better than the fellas but she was no worse. So Alesha was "tainted" for me. Perhaps unfairly. As a previous winner she was great. Exuberant. Hard-working.

I was not disposed to like her in her new role but was coming round to her slowly. Now I'd gladly see her given the boot...
sammyvine
11-11-2009
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“You mean after saying "Once a bitch always a bitch", you are saying you don't have something personal against her? Well, I'd hate to hear what you've got to say about someone you do have something personal against. And you have quote one radio interview. Your whole post comes over as anti-Alesha in a major way.

I don't have a problem with us disagreeing, but I do have a problem with someone being down right nasty and making sweeping generalisations. That's the kind of post that gets my back up. As I said I thought your post was inflammatory and it may just be how you have phrased it, but that's how it comes over to me.”

I understand where your coming from and i was harsh when i said ''once a bitch, always a bitch'' and i take that back. The only reason i said it was because i remembered the ''you have been sweet my love'' so it just made me think what a two faced b**h. Anyway i never ment to come across anti-Alesha. No way, over someone who i have never met. I was just pointing out how she is coming across in interviews etc.
nancy1975
11-11-2009
Originally Posted by lotty27:
“Actually Bruno is getting right on my nerves this series. I don't think there's a bigger bitch on the panel than him. A lot of the time he's downright insulting and dismissive of the contestants if they aren't reaching his high standards. And the way he bounces out of that chair what seems like every five minutes ...

It's certainly not one rule for Alesha and one for others with me either. I don't like nastiness from any of the judges, it's unnecessary and uncalled for but I suppose it's a sign of the times that it's so accepted I know one thing - if I was a celebrity I'd think twice about appearing on this programme and risk being humiliated like that!

And as I said in my post: with a lot of viewers Alesha (being the new girl) is on probation so they're looking for the slightest thing she does 'wrong' and, whether you like it or not, Alesha IS providing them with the ammunition to throw at her. There are ways and means of saying things. She's not having to endure anything - that's her job and was downright nasty to Craig IMO.

Personally - I think she should be moved away from Bruno as his nastiness is rubbing off on her ”

I fully concur with the above, especially re Bruno who's getting on my t*ts big time. Way OTT. Strangely, after having two years of wanting to throw my shoe at his face, I'm liking Len this year. He's calmed down a lot, and perhaps he's got a better sleep inducer on the plane. Not grumpy...not yet.

As for Alesha, I was tolerating her quite nicely the past few weeks and then this nice little outburst. I was one of the 'few' who just didn't take to her as a contestant. I got exasperated a lot on here that year because if you dared to suggest the Sainted One was perhaps overmarked a smidgin or that you thought she and Matt C were boring in interviews there was a steaming pile of ordure dumped on you. But I never did see her charm. Actually she came across to me as rather calculating and cold (dancing did nowt for me either) and I felt she wasn't above giving a snide aside, (thinking of the semi week and the voting for good looking guys comment.) I must confess I rolled around like a labrador in glee the week she was in the dance off.
ESPIONdansant
11-11-2009
Cor, Nancy1975, maybe we should start a club? There would probably be only two of us in it but I have never dared to raise my head above the parapet as you just have.

RESPECT.
samiskim
11-11-2009
At the end of the day Alesha was abominably rude to Craig. Whether you like her, support her, dislike her, etc. - rude is rude and her attack was personal and completely unprofessional and she let herself down.

Craig was a weak dancer, of course he was. He was not the best of the bunch or even in the middle but he did try very hard, was enthusiastic and spent many hours in rehearsal. He certainly didn't deserve to be spoken to like that - nobody does and Alesha Dixon did it in front of the Blackpool audience and I don't know how many million television viewers. If she had critiqued his dancing - fine - but she didn't, did she? Not only was she rude, she was patronising and I found her words and her manner completely unacceptable. It was very uncomfortable to watch and I wonder if the Posters who support Alesha's behaviour would have liked to be spoken to like that publicly.

She should apologise to Craig for her nasty outburst. I, for one, will never look at her in the same light as I viewed her when she was dancing. She is not as great as she thinks she is either - she showed no respect to Craig and for that alone her employer should give her a warning. But they won't, will they because she is the blued-eyed girl and the Beeb's little favourite. Why they had to give her the job when there are others more charming and more qualified beats me. She has a very beautiful face but beauty is only skin deep - she was very ugly on Saturday.
BuddyBontheNet
11-11-2009
Originally Posted by sammyvine:
“I understand where your coming from and i was harsh when i said ''once a bitch, always a bitch'' and i take that back. The only reason i said it was because i remembered the ''you have been sweet my love'' so it just made me think what a two faced b**h. Anyway i never ment to come across anti-Alesha. No way, over someone who i have never met. I was just pointing out how she is coming across in interviews etc. ”

Fair enough. It was the 'bitch' remark that started me off.

Originally Posted by samiskim:
“At the end of the day Alesha was abominably rude to Craig. Whether you like her, support her, dislike her, etc. - rude is rude and her attack was personal and completely unprofessional and she let herself down.

Craig was a weak dancer, of course he was. He was not the best of the bunch or even in the middle but he did try very hard, was enthusiastic and spent many hours in rehearsal. He certainly didn't deserve to be spoken to like that - nobody does and Alesha Dixon did it in front of the Blackpool audience and I don't know how many million television viewers. If she had critiqued his dancing - fine - but she didn't, did she? Not only was she rude, she was patronising and I found her words and her manner completely unacceptable. It was very uncomfortable to watch and I wonder if the Posters who support Alesha's behaviour would have liked to be spoken to like that publicly.

She should apologise to Craig for her nasty outburst. I, for one, will never look at her in the same light as I viewed her when she was dancing. She is not as great as she thinks she is either - she showed no respect to Craig and for that alone her employer should give her a warning. But they won't, will they because she is the blued-eyed girl and the Beeb's little favourite. Why they had to give her the job when there are others more charming and more qualified beats me. She has a very beautiful face but beauty is only skin deep - she was very ugly on Saturday.”

You are entitled to your opinion which you have articulated very well and I respect that. As someone who has stood up for Alesha on this thread, I don't agree with your opinion at all and I hope you respect that too.

I would add that I heard Alesha critique Craig's dancing, even if you didn't (check my earlier posts for the exact details). I also don't think she spoke in a patronising manner. As for how would I feel if I were spoken to like that, well quite frankly I would be horrified, but then again I hope that I would never be as delusional as Craig has been about his dancing ability to make a person resort to the bluntness - not rudeness - that Alesha demonstrated.
soulmate61
11-11-2009
Originally Posted by samiskim:
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I wonder if the Posters who support Alesha's behaviour would have liked to be spoken to like that publicly.
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The many, or the few, who repeatedly rushed to her defence have repeatedly said they agreed with what she said. They refused to disown her action, they justified it on the grounds it was no worse than Craig RH or Arlene or Bruno. They supported and still support her action.

Whether they have ever pondered the day when the judge turns the same firepower on the supporter is unclear.
BuddyBontheNet
11-11-2009
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“The many, or the few, who repeatedly rushed to her defence have repeatedly said they agreed with what she said. They refused to disown her action, they justified it on the grounds it was no worse than Craig RH or Arlene or Bruno. They supported and still support her action.

Whether they have ever pondered the day when the judge turns the same firepower on the supporter is unclear.”

I have posted my response to that part of samiskim's post, but I don't understand the last part of your post - sorry.
sammyvine
11-11-2009
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“Fair enough. It was the 'bitch' remark that started me off.



You are entitled to your opinion which you have articulated very well and I respect that. As someone who has stood up for Alesha on this thread, I don't agree with your opinion at all and I hope you respect that too.

I would add that I heard Alesha critique Craig's dancing, even if you didn't (check my earlier posts for the exact details). I also don't think she spoke in a patronising manner. As for how would I feel if I were spoken to like that, well quite frankly I would be horrified, but then again I hope that I would never be as delusional as Craig has been about his dancing ability to make a person resort to the bluntness - not rudeness - that Alesha demonstrated.”

I think Samiskim means patronising in the way after what she said which shocked many people, she said ''you have been very sweet my love'' when he was getting voted off by the judges. To me that sounded two faced, when she was clearly enraged that he was there instead of Zoe. However Craig tbh should have been a little more down to earth as i do think he came across thinking he was a bit better than he was.
hansue
11-11-2009
Hi all who felt that Alesha's comments were rude and nasty, this is the reply I got back from the BBC after I complained.

"We understand you felt that Alesha Dixon's comments about Craig Kelly's performance were rude and offensive.

No offence was intended by Alesha's, or indeed any of the other judges' comments to Craig; she was simply trying to find a way of expressing what she felt was incorrect with his dance and comparing him with a contestant, that in her view, shouldn't have left the competition.

The judges' role is to judge as they see fit and offer their personal and professional opinions which viewers will not always agree with - which is why the format allows the audience a 50% control of the outcome.

We'd like to assure you that we've registered your comments on our audience log. This is the internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily for all programme makers and commissioning executives within the BBC, and also their senior management. It ensures that your points, and all other comments we receive, are circulated and considered across the BBC.

Thanks again for taking the time to contact us with your concerns.

Regards

BBC Complaints
qwertyqueen
11-11-2009
Originally Posted by beauty-1:
“I was glad Alesha said what she did to Craig, although it was harsh. Harsh but true. She said exactly what I was thinking. He was so awful and he always thought he was doing so well. So deluded. That is why she was so blunt with her comments, to make it sink in that he is no good and maybe other dancers would be better to watch than him. But it still never sank in. When he went, I couldn't help but scream for joy. I couldn't stand watching him. I do think I would have softened to him if he had said, "I can't dance that well, but I'm trying, and if the public vote me out, then I'll accept it." A bit more like Jo was with Kristina. Rather than, "I do think I can dance and I want to stay in this competition." His lack of humility, his wooden dancing and his thinking he could dance is what made me want to see the back of him. Now I can enjoy the show without him getting on my nerves.”

So, it was true that Craig was responsible for the way people voted at home? Alesha was just being a beatch.
peely
11-11-2009
I think Alesha could have expressed herself better, but I've heard all the judges say similar, if not worse, things to contestants, so I think a rather large mountain has been made out of a tiny molehill. Craig was sadly deluded towards the end, and I've lost respect for him, and am disinterested in watching anything he does in the future. Perhaps he needed to be told the truth, just perhaps more eloquently.
peely
11-11-2009
Originally Posted by sammyvine:
“I think Samiskim means patronising in the way after what she said which shocked many people, she said ''you have been very sweet my love'' when he was getting voted off by the judges. To me that sounded two faced, when she was clearly enraged that he was there instead of Zoe. However Craig tbh should have been a little more down to earth as i do think he came across thinking he was a bit better than he was.”

Well I'd far rather have watched Zoe too!
hansue
11-11-2009
Originally Posted by peely:
“Well I'd far rather have watched Zoe too!”

Did you vote for her?
HollyC
11-11-2009
Originally Posted by hansue:
“Hi all who felt that Alesha's comments were rude and nasty, this is the reply I got back from the BBC after I complained.

"We understand you felt that Alesha Dixon's comments about Craig Kelly's performance were rude and offensive.

No offence was intended by Alesha's, or indeed any of the other judges' comments to Craig; she was simply trying to find a way of expressing what she felt was incorrect with his dance and comparing him with a contestant, that in her view, shouldn't have left the competition.

The judges' role is to judge as they see fit and offer their personal and professional opinions which viewers will not always agree with - which is why the format allows the audience a 50% control of the outcome.

We'd like to assure you that we've registered your comments on our audience log. This is the internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily for all programme makers and commissioning executives within the BBC, and also their senior management. It ensures that your points, and all other comments we receive, are circulated and considered across the BBC.

Thanks again for taking the time to contact us with your concerns.

Regards

BBC Complaints”

I'm sorry to take this OT, but the audience no longer has 50% control of the outcome! The judges 'vote' (by scoring), then the audience 'votes' (phoning), then the judges get to vote again in the dance off!

Back on topic, I agree with samiskin - Alesha should apologise for her comment to Craig. I loved her as a contestant, and had no problems with her as a judge, up until last Saturday. Mind you, I also think Len and Bruce should have apologised to Craig R-H, for their actions a few weeks back (kangaroo-gate!).

For the last couple of series, SCD sometimes leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. I wish it could go back to its 'lovely' days.
BuddyBontheNet
11-11-2009
Originally Posted by sammyvine:
“I think Samiskim means patronising in the way after what she said which shocked many people, she said ''you have been very sweet my love'' when he was getting voted off by the judges. To me that sounded two faced, when she was clearly enraged that he was there instead of Zoe. However Craig tbh should have been a little more down to earth as i do think he came across thinking he was a bit better than he was.”

I did understand what samiskim meant, but given I didn't see the first part as rude, I just thought she was softening what she was saying as to why she chose Ricky & Erin when he was voted off. I guess it's all about how people see things and I have no problem with others having a difference perception, as we can all say what we think on here (I'd just rather it wasn't said in a nasty way).

Originally Posted by qwertyqueen:
“So, it was true that Craig was responsible for the way people voted at home? Alesha was just being a beatch.”

Alesha did not say Craig was responsible. Everyone saying that is making that leap for themselves.

You can't have it both ways. Either she supposedly blamed the public for Craig staying or she supposedly blamed Craig. Personally I'd say she blamed the public and she should know better than that by now.
missfrankiecat
11-11-2009
Originally Posted by sammyvine:
“I think Samiskim means patronising in the way after what she said which shocked many people, she said ''you have been very sweet my love'' when he was getting voted off by the judges.”

I have to say it was that remark which really made me want to throw things at the telly - or even, heaven forfend, vote for Craig in sympathy (I didn't!) It was utterly patronising, wholly insincere and showed a total want of any kind of professionalism.
hansue
11-11-2009
Originally Posted by missfrankiecat:
“I have to say it was that remark which really made me want to throw things at the telly - or even, heaven forfend, vote for Craig in sympathy (I didn't!) It was utterly patronising, wholly insincere and showed a total want of any kind of professionalism.”

One wonders if she was pulled up on her first comment and she tried to back pedal but just made things worse.
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