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Alesha - comments tonight? (merged)
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Johnny Red
07-11-2009
Hit - nail - head!

Well said Alesha.


Hardly un-professional pointing out the bleeding obvious (to everyone but Craig!) that the guy cannot dance and was still in the comp. instead of a much more talented dancer.
Ignazio
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by brompton:
“they always refer to the last week's loser on each show. don't you follow this programme? ”

ITT yes - but the judges on a Saturday night?

I must have missed something.
cassieconvinced
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by SCDancing34:
“I loved her this evening!

She really hit home with Craig (excuse the pun) regarding his blatent dilusional approach to this Cha Cha but then managed to soften the blow by giving him the sympathy exit speach in the D/O.

The woman's got balls I'll give her that. 8 weeks and she's the first one to really say it to him straight - it saw the end of him aswell.”

Right on!
olive0000
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by Laughing Fairy:
“Alesha does seem to be displaying a nasty streak of late. I was absolutely no fan of Craig (love Flavia though) and I'm relieved for everyone's sake that he has gone. I still haven't forgotten her "drunken ragdoll" comment either.

There was no need to humiliate him; I felt sorry for him getting so ridiculed, in his hometown too. The judges should be able to give an honest appraisal and hopefully some constructive criticism, but why does that have to equate to demeaning putdowns?

As someone else has pointed out, one of the justifications of her role as a judge was her own personal experience as a contestant. Well she shows a great lack of empathy at times and some cruelty
.”

completely agree with those two points 100%
thepainter
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by olive0000:
“yup. this.

thought she was well out of order with her comments with him tonight, she was very personal and rude.”

Not personal and rude, but honest and correct.
David Wright
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by Johnny Red:
“Hit - nail - head!

Well said Alesha.


Hardly un-professional pointing out the bleeding obvious (to everyone but Craig!) that the guy cannot dance and was still in the comp. instead of a much more talented dancer.”

But she has no dancing experiance/credability to actually say anything to anybody.
footygirl
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by Johnny Red:
“Hit - nail - head!

Well said Alesha.


Hardly un-professional pointing out the bleeding obvious (to everyone but Craig!) that the guy cannot dance and was still in the comp. instead of a much more talented dancer.”

But there is a way to do it - Craig had his mum there - was it really necessary to say what she said in the way that she said it in front of Craig's Mum
fancyfirefoot
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by SCDancing34:
“I loved her this evening!

She really hit home with Craig (excuse the pun) regarding his blatent dilusional approach to this Cha Cha but then managed to soften the blow by giving him the sympathy exit speach in the D/O.

The woman's got balls I'll give her that. 8 weeks and she's the first one to really say it to him straight - it saw the end of him aswell.”

She softened the blow did she? she sounded downright patronising if you ask me!

OK, we all knew that Craig was not the best dancer, it was his time to go tonight, but her comments were uncalled for, surely she should have some degree of sympathy for the contestants, after all she was one (as she keeps reminding us). Constructive criticism is great, but to pull someone to pieces like that was slightly uncalled for.
brompton
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“ITT yes - but the judges on a Saturday night?

I must have missed something.”

i wasn't referring to anything to do with the judges, i was referring to Craig's self absorbtion and suggesting (light heartedly, like) that he probably wondered why Zoe was mentioned at all, ie by anyone, when they could have been talking about him instead.
Wingpatrol
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by Johnny Red:
“Hit - nail - head!

Well said Alesha.


Hardly un-professional pointing out the bleeding obvious (to everyone but Craig!) that the guy cannot dance and was still in the comp. instead of a much more talented dancer.”

More talented dancer like Natalie Carthorse Cassidy you mean?
Ignazio
07-11-2009
haha - I rarely start a thread - and when I do it gets merged.
janetcomelately
07-11-2009
Someone needed to let Craig know he wasn't as good as he clearly thought he was.

Even after, he said thought the marks were harsh.

He was living on a different planet and it was embaressing. Alesha was being cruel to be kind.
BruciesToupe
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by Wingpatrol:
“More talented dancer like Natalie Carthorse Cassidy you mean?”



Spidey
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by di60:
“I think Ms Dixon is in for a rude awakening. I really liked her too, but have gone off her in a massive way since she's been judging this show. There was absolutely no need for her rudeness, none whatsoever, it's almost as if she's deliberately being controversial in an effort to stick two fingers up to her critics...... I personally think she is losing a lot of fans, and the contrived comment to Craig at the end was too little too late....”

100% agree! She has blown it now
David Wright
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by janetcomelately:
“Someone needed to let Craig know he wasn't as good as he clearly thought he was.

Even after, he said thought the marks were harsh.

He was living on a different planet and it was embaressing. Alesha was being cruel to be kind.”

The only reason she's sitting there is to be eye candy. No more, no less. So, obviously if something really did need saying it absolutely shouldn't have been the woman who has no buisness judging in the first place that said it.
Dr. Jan Itor
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by SCDancing34:
“I loved her this evening!

She really hit home with Craig (excuse the pun) regarding his blatent dilusional approach to this Cha Cha but then managed to soften the blow by giving him the sympathy exit speach in the D/O.

The woman's got balls I'll give her that. 8 weeks and she's the first one to really say it to him straight - it saw the end of him aswell.”

I don't think you can credit her with seeing the end of Craig, because I know people who voted for him just because they found her comments to be so rude. I think it was just a case of people thinking they'd got him to Blackpool so they'd done enough for him already. However, my brother-in-law phoned for Craig and got a 'this number is not in service' message, so maybe there was another reason he was in the dance-off.
Wingpatrol
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by BruciesToupe:
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Well we all know SHE can dance don't we?? "Cough, Splutter, Cough "
BruciesToupe
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by Wingpatrol:
“Well we all know SHE can dance don't we?? "Cough, Splutter, Cough "”

doesn't matter really as she has boundless enthusiasm and is soooooo brave!!!
fizzy T
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by tangoqueen:
“Ignazio and Missfrankiecat I agree with you so completely. I was absolutely appalled by Alesha tonight. I rarely comment if I don't like something on here - I usually prefer to focus on the positive - but she really did offend me tonight.

What you say above is absolutely right.




Cornchips, I agree with you too. I am no fan of Craig Kelly - in fact, he made the "red mist" descend with me, and I had to really battle with myself when posting on my own thread (we like to do reports on the dances each week and I had to choose not to say anything about Craig's because I didn't trust myself not to be unfair) - but Alesha, in the position of a judge, should be professional and yet still state the truth, as Len did tonight - it wasn't nice - because Craig was obviously clearly poor (and it has to be said, deluded!) but Len said it in as truthful and as kind a way as he could without kicking someone who was clearly the weakest dancer.

There can be little doubt in the majority of people's minds that Craig WAS the weakest dancer and should have been the one to go - I think few would disagree with that - but to say "because Zoe went last week and I had to endure THAT" is unprofessional, unkind, and crass at best. Even though Craig was dreadful, there is a better way to say it than that.

Alesha then compounded her unprofessionalism by being patronising - I found her "you were very sweet my love" just appalling in view of how actually nasty and unprofessional she had just been - and I really found myself actively disliking her.

I didn't want to - I am very much in the Cutler camp and I loved her partnership with Matt - but since then my opinion of her has increasingly sunk, and now is at rock bottom. I think you are right Cornchips - she WAS rude and crass - and I wish she'd never taken the job.

On a night when Strictly was in such a beautiful place, the home of dance, she tainted it for me with her crassness and I couldn't help wishing for her to have been more sensitive in her comments whilst still speaking the truth. I don't like Craig, as I say, and I think it is right he went - but they all work so hard every week, that whether they are good or not, they do not deserve that kind of put down - which is so completely dismissive of everything they have tried for and I think each celeb deserves some respect for that at least, even if they are poor.

I don't like feeling and speaking in this way - but I really cannot help how I feel about her now.

Poor show Alesha - I thought you'd have been better than that. You actually disgust me and I wish you hadn't come back.”

TQ I and the residents of TCA know how hard you have tried to be fair and not get involved with the negative comments about someone who has irritated you intensely from day 1!

Have to agree with you. Alesha's comments were not only unprofessional but out of line from someone who was feted as knowing how the contestants really felt! Obviously she didn't as she was never a whipping boy for a large section of the public AND 4 talent show judges! Alesha never had to endure being publicly castrated on live national TV! Yes she was lucky in that she had some natural ability and Craig has never had that going for him but she let the image slip tonight and was downright cruel.

I loved her relationship with Matt as well you know but tonight for me she has tarnished my memories. The minute she took the job she was leaving herself open to disaster and to remove the gloss from her illustrious past! I have tried really hard to distance myself from the Alesha the judge versus the contestant but tonight has annoyed me so much that I feel I want to come out of the safety of TCA and say my piece. Tonight a few words has lowered the tone of what was destined to be a lovely occasion. Would it have hurt her to let him down gently? To say I'm sorry I know you tried but it wasn't very good and I think your time has come. No one would have lost face. They all would have kept their dignity and we wouldn't have been so incensed!

Originally Posted by missfrankiecat:
“Heartfelt words, TangoQueen. And no one imagines that Mr Cutler would ever speak to anyone in public like that! Ms Dixon would do well to understand how much she owed him for her popularity and try to emulate his respect for others.”

Absolutely. Alesha could learn a whole lot about dignity, humility and how to handle yourself in public from the exemplary Mr Cutler! Thankfully we still have him to create new beautiful memories as at the moment I have lost so much respect for Alesha.

Originally Posted by hansue:
“That sums up my feelings totally. I think she left a bitter taste in the mouth with her comments and I hope that she knows how people feel about her. I loved it when she won and I generally like her music but, as you say, your support has reached rock bottom. I think she has lost alot of supporters tonight. Bring on the ducking stool.”

As I said above but meant to put the two quotes together!! I blame the bubbly!
tabithakitten
07-11-2009
To quote Alesha,

"I can't believe Zoe's gone and I had to endure that."

I cannot understand how anyone could think that this is an okay comment for a judge to make.

No, in dance terms, Zoe should not have left ahead of Craig but the rules are the rules. Anyone purporting to judge a show like this should keep personal feeling out of their comments to an individual. It would have been quite easy to have tempered her remarks to make the same point.
Wingpatrol
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by BruciesToupe:
“doesn't matter really as she has boundless enthusiasm and is soooooo brave!!! ”

Absolutely and after all THAT is the essence of Strictly Come Hoofing isn't it?
SCDancing34
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by Dr. Jan Itor:
“I don't think you can credit her with seeing the end of Craig, because I know people who voted for him just because they found her comments to be so rude. I think it was just a case of people thinking they'd got him to Blackpool so they'd done enough for him already. However, my brother-in-law phoned for Craig and got a 'this number is not in service' message, so maybe there was another reason he was in the dance-off.”

Regarding the voting, it was explained a few weeks ago that the couple your voting for is only register once getting through so it's random as to which couples' numbers are declaired as busy or not in service at that time that you phone (only after that does the system work out which couple that vote coresponds with).

The bigger question, why was he voting for Craig!?!
BruciesToupe
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by Wingpatrol:
“Absolutely and after all THAT is the essence of Strictly Come Hoofing isn't it? ”

I concur!!!
janetcomelately
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by David Wright:
“The only reason she's sitting there is to be eye candy. No more, no less. So, obviously if something really did need saying it absolutely shouldn't have been the woman who has no buisness judging in the first place that said it.”

Well, she is a judge and judge Craig is what she did.

It was a good call.
susie-4964
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by David Wright:
“The only reason she's sitting there is to be eye candy. No more, no less. So, obviously if something really did need saying it absolutely shouldn't have been the woman who has no buisness judging in the first place that said it.”

Completely agree. She lacks the intelligence to be witty, and the knowledge to criticise constructively.

Actually, come to think of it, maybe she was the right person. If something really did need saying, it absolutely should have been the woman who has taken being up herself to the level of a fine art. Takes one to know one.
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