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Alesha - comments tonight? (merged)
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David Wright
07-11-2009
It doesn't matter if what she says is right or wrong, the woman isn't credible! Thats the bottom line. She shouldn't be there because shes not a credible person to be sitting in judgement on others. And by the BBC persisting in keeping here there, every week SCD itself loses a bit more credability - Hence one of the reasons for the exodus to Cowells freak show.

Personally I don't care much about SCD either way, but I hate Simon Cowell with a passion and I want him to have decent, credible competition, which quite honestly he doesn't right now.
David Wright
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by janetcomelately:
“Alesha is a performer in her own right and won the blooming show. Gawd alive, people need to move on and stop jumping on things she does.

Plenty of similar ccomments were made last year by ALL the judges about John S. The difference then is that JS was loveable and entertaining and knew he was rubbish which meant the public kept voting for him.

Fiona Phillips was another who got similar comments, as was Chris Parker and others.

Why such a fuss over Alesha saying something which is not only nothing new, but something with which the voting public clearly agreed.”

The fuss is because she hasn't the experiance or knowlage to be saying these things. This was always going to be a problem for her if she started to get bitchy or technical in her comments - People would rightly turn around and ask what exactly her qualifications are/were to be saying these things?

And I'm sorry learning to dance for a few weeks in 2007 does not make someone a credible judge. A credible judge has to spend a lifetime in/around dance.
Dr. Jan Itor
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“Right. This is what the judges said to Craig -

Craig - You better hope I think that people at home are voting for you because that wasn't good at all. It was flatfooted, stompy and in fact it reminded me of a Thunderbird - (he gave a 3)

Len - Well Craig I know your goal was to make it to Blackpool and you've done that and I'm so glad for you that you have achieved that, but you know this is a dance...and I don't like to be nasty or anything, but we've seen all the couples and in fairness to them I've got to say yours is the weakest performance, you know it's one of those things, it doesn't make you a bad person, it's just a fact...there's been some great performances today (he gave a 5)

This last bit is said whilst Craig replies - Well there has been some brilliant performances...

He goes on to say - I was just saying there's been some amazing performances and he had a great time he really thought it went well... for me any way...(he says something to Flavia I didn't catch)

Alesha - I'm happy you got to Blackpool Craig, but I can't believe Zoe's gone and I had to endure that...I'm not being..no it was like you ...no you're not as good as you think you are ...it's like you were tip toeing over hot coals, your cha cha walks were very feminine last week there was a glimmer of hope this weeks dad's back...sorry (she gave a 4)

Bruno - Craig my darling the beginning when you stood still I actually loved it because I could look at Flavia she's so gorgeous then the nightmare began I don't know if I'm ever gonna to wake up with that...they are all right I think we are getting to a stage now where we are see people achieving really really good standards and we cannot just let this go by..it just was not good enough (he gave a 5)

Craig replies - Bruno why do you do this to me?

Bruno - Because I like you...but I speak the truth

Craig - I was amazing in training...you don't see...

Why is Alesha's comment so much worse than Craig's or Bruno's?

It's not the first time a judge has made reference to a better dancer going at the expense of a poorer one. In what way did she was she rude? People on here have been saying for weeks that Craig is clearly deluded about his dancing ability and I'd say Flavia knows this, but humours him. So how should Alesha have phrased her comments? Should she have just said something bland and leave it to Craig and Bruno to be more specific than Len's 'you are the weakest dancer' line?

Well done Alesha for saying in a straight forward way what others have been saying for weeks. Arlene would have been proud of you. After all, Craig had already been told the same thing in a nice way so often, that nothing else would have got through to him.”

Firstly, her comment wasn't a critique of his dancing, it was blaming him for Zoe's exit, which wasn't his fault. Secondly, your transcript cannot convey is the way people said those things, and for me Alesha's tone was rude whilst Craig and Bruno's weren't.

Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“And there we have it.

It is nothing to do with the fact Alesha spoke the truth tonight.

It is still all about the fact that some people don't want her as a judge.”

For a few that may be true, but for many that is not the reason. It's also true that some are automatically defending Alesha because they support her appointment.
SliverOfDiamond
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“And there we have it.

It is nothing to do with the fact Alesha spoke the truth tonight.

It is still all about the fact that some people don't want her as a judge.”

There are ways of 'speaking the truth', and humiliating someone in front of their home crowd and parents is crass.

We all know Craig was not good, but according to Len last week there were 4 other couples who are also not as good as Zoe was, why has all the vitriol been directed at Craig? And why bring Zoe up at all - it was the Public who didn't vote for her, not Craig.

Alesha is living spectacularly down to expectations. I also don't like Bruno's comments, I don't know what's happened to him recently, but he's also started to be unnecessarily cruel.
lotty27
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by David Wright:
“The woman never had or has had any buisness being a ballroom dancing judge. And the fact she's still there, still destroying the credability of this show and still allowing ghastly Simon Cowell to bound ahead virtually unchallenged with his dreadful steamroller/freak show, is what saddens me the most.

I mean, don't get me wrong, SCD has a lot of other problems, but number one is Alesha flaming Dixon. X-Factor shouldn't be getting the free ride its getting this year and those numptys at the BBC that thought it was a good idea of have an unqualified judge must shoulder a lot of the responsibility.”

Well the public are certainly voting with their remotes when SCD and XF are up against each other aren't they? It still getting healthy viewing figures but they're not as big as they were a few years ago or even last year - so these 'improvements' haven't exactly gone down well have they?


Originally Posted by Laughing Fairy:
“Alesha does seem to be displaying a nasty streak of late. I was absolutely no fan of Craig (love Flavia though) and I'm relieved for everyone's sake that he has gone. I still haven't forgotten her "drunken ragdoll" comment either.

There was no need to humiliate him; I felt sorry for him getting so ridiculed, in his hometown too. The judges should be able to give an honest appraisal and hopefully some constructive criticism, but why does that have to equate to demeaning putdowns?

As someone else has pointed out, one of the justifications of her role as a judge was her own personal experience as a contestant. Well she shows a great lack of empathy at times and some cruelty.”

Good post IMO


Originally Posted by Bobby'sgirl:
“Surprised Craig's Mum didn't come over and bash her with her handbag.”

I'd have paid money to see that


Originally Posted by Literary Agent:
“I found her comments unprofessional and patronising. Zoe's departure wasn't Craig's fault. The public didn't vote enough to save Zoe from the dance off.”

Exactly. I know Craig harped on and on about wanting to get to Blackpool but surely it's not HIS fault if the public decided to get him there? Zoe was good and did not deserve to go last week but you can't take it out on Craig personally - that's just ridiculous. There's always a shock exit at some point on SCD, last week just happened to be this years.


Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
“To quote Alesha,

"I can't believe Zoe's gone and I had to endure that."

I cannot understand how anyone could think that this is an okay comment for a judge to make.”

Apologies to Alesha's supporters but WHO THE HELL DOES SHE THINK SHE IS? 'I' had to endure that?! Would she have liked that said to her when he was a contestant?

Also, how come St Len didn't jump down Alesha's throat for saying a demoralising, nasty, downright insulting and unnecessary remark like he's so keen to do with Craig Revell Horwood?
Last edited by lotty27 : 07-11-2009 at 23:04
jill1812
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“And there we have it.

It is nothing to do with the fact Alesha spoke the truth tonight.

It is still all about the fact that some people don't want her as a judge.”

No it's not, many people on here have stated they support Alesha being appointed (granted I'm not one of them). It wasn't honest it was nasty, as if Craig had somehow been responsible for Zoe leaving, he asked people to vote for him, no-one was forced to, and more people decided to vote for him, doesn't say much for Zoe.

Alesha sounded like a teenager having a tantrum tonight, not just what she said but how she said it, like he was something she had just scraped off her shoe.

But then Craig has something Alesha can only dream of - a thriving career outside Strictly.
Rhumbatugger
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Hi Buddy

I think the reason people objected more to Alesha's comment was because:

(a) She brought Zoe's exit into the equation. You just don't do that. Zoe was voted off fair and square, it had nothing to do with Craig.

(b) When she was first instilled as a judges, Alesha was talking about empathising with the celebs because she'd been there and done it. She made out it was more of a supportive, nurturing role. So you expect her comments to be kinder and more constructive.

Just my opinion of course!”

Thanks Sid. I was just about to post the same thing. Well, a, rather than b.

she also made a remark about Craig thinking he was good, when I honestly believe his tongue was in his cheek and she should have considered that possibility.]

Alesha came across as not too bright, not funny, and rather nasty. She crossed the line when she mentioned Zoe. Zoe's exit had nothing to do with Craig, it was low and unacceptable.

Her 'my love' comment in the dance off, is typical of 'low level' put down in my area, and it came across as not just patronising, but nasty too.

All in all, Alesha angered and disappointed me tonight. There really was no need for the way she did what she did. She revealed herself in an unattractive way, I'm afraid, and I've always liked Alesha.
BruciesToupe
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by David Wright:
“It doesn't matter if what she says is right or wrong, the woman isn't credible! Thats the bottom line. She shouldn't be there because shes not a credible person to be sitting in judgement on others. And by the BBC persisting in keeping here there, every week SCD itself loses a bit more credability - Hence one of the reasons for the exodus to Cowells freak show.

Personally I don't care much about SCD either way, but I hate Simon Cowell with a passion and I want him to have decent, credible competition, which quite honestly he doesn't right now.”


Yep, Ive totally given up trying to like her. I just can't bear her and find myself being more irritated her with each passing week. Her only claim to the role was her ability to identify with the contestants, and she has even managed to alienate people who supported her in this capacity. She has obvious favourites (her chums), a tendancy to bitch rather than critique and still can't be a**** to even try and speak properly. Old arguments I know, but sorry, the girl does absolutely nothing for me and adds very little to the show other than being vaguely pretty.

I only hope the BBC see sense and replace her for next year.
BuddyBontheNet
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Hi Buddy

I think the reason people objected more to Alesha's comment was because:

(a) She brought Zoe's exit into the equation. You just don't do that. Zoe was voted off fair and square, it had nothing to do with Craig.

(b) When she was first instilled as a judges, Alesha was talking about empathising with the celebs because she'd been there and done it. She made out it was more of a supportive, nurturing role. So you expect her comments to be kinder and more constructive.

Just my opinion of course!”

Hi Sid

I do understand why people are objecting, but I dont agree with them.

To say Zoe being voted off had nothing to do with Craig is a bit disingenuous to me. Zoe got voted off because not enough people voted for her, but if Craig hadn't gone on and on about wanting to get to Blackpool and dance in front of his home crowd and he would be happy with that, then he might have gone before now.

As I said Alesha is not the first judge to comment on better dancers going first and but that down to the public and she knows that - it doesn't mean she can't mention it.

I would expect Alesha to grow into her role as a judge as she gains experience in the same way that Craig, Arlene and Bruno have. You know how upfront she is and as for the previous 7 weeks she had seen each judge nicely tell Craig he is not a good dancer, what was wrong with her actually saying he is not as good a dancer as he thinks he is? That's not unkind, just honest.
janetcomelately
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by David Wright:
“The fuss is because she hasn't the experiance or knowlage to be saying these things. This was always going to be a problem for her if she started to get bitchy or technical in her comments - People would rightly turn around and ask what exactly her qualifications are/were to be saying these things?

And I'm sorry learning to dance for a few weeks in 2007 does not make someone a credible judge. A credible judge has to spend a lifetime in/around dance.”

Well that comes back to the same old 'is it a dance show or is it an entertainment show' debate and to me, its Strictly Come Dancing with celebs not Come Dancing with Angela Rippon and Terry Wogan and so, Alesha as a judge is just fine.
ArtyAttack
07-11-2009
I thought she was extremely rude and nasty tonight. Couldnt believe her comments and the way she said them. Tainted the show for me tonight. I thought she would have had a little more emphathy.
BuddyBontheNet
07-11-2009
I'm clearly in the minority over this and I can't add anything more, so I'm off to other threads celebrate what I thought was a great show tonight.
tabithakitten
07-11-2009
I really don't like the idea that people have about "truth hurts" and "tell it like it is". It's a poorly disguised excuse for rudeness.

For me, Alesha's tone was also out of order as well as her comments. Once she'd made the "I can't believe Zoe's gone and I had to endure that" remark she seemed to lose patience as if she really didn't want to be commenting at all because he shouldn't have been there. Now obviously in terms of dance ability he shouldn't have been there but the rules of Strictly have always been the same. Craig didn't make them or enforce them and Alesha shouldn't comment in a way that implies that a remaining contestant has made her job worse by just playing by the rules.

By the way, can somebody tell me why it was so necessary that Craig should be forced to believe he's a pile of crap? It's not going to particularly add anything to his performance.
pipkin
07-11-2009
Quote:
“As I said Alesha is not the first judge to comment on better dancers going first and but that down to the public and she knows that - it doesn't mean she can't mention it.”

She might not be the first judge to comment on this, But I think she may be the first one to actually name one.
claire2281
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“I'm clearly in the minority over this and I can't add anything more, so I'm off to other threads celebrate what I thought was a great show tonight. ”

*grabs Buddy*

Take me with you!
soulmate61
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by David Wright:
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Actually the viewers DO get to vote on Alesha Dixon and unfortunatey they are doing so in droves by switching off SCD and switching on Simon Cowells freak show.”

Viewers have 2 voting buttons, the first as mentioned above, the second is labelled "MUTE". I pressed the MUTE 20 times last Saturday, 22 times the Saturday before. Tonight 18 times only -- things are looking up.
Paace
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Hi Buddy

I think the reason people objected more to Alesha's comment was because:

(a) She brought Zoe's exit into the equation. You just don't do that. Zoe was voted off fair and square, it had nothing to do with Craig.

(b) When she was first instilled as a judges, Alesha was talking about empathising with the celebs because she'd been there and done it. She made out it was more of a supportive, nurturing role. So you expect her comments to be kinder and more constructive.

Just my opinion of course!”

Well put. She has had a few more nasty digs at Craig since this series of SCD started which seemed to me to be more of a personal nature then a criticism, as if she just doesn't like the guy.
David Wright
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by janetcomelately:
“Well that comes back to the same old 'is it a dance show or is it an entertainment show' debate and to me, its Strictly Come Dancing with celebs not Come Dancing with Angela Rippon and Terry Wogan and so, Alesha as a judge is just fine.”

It can be/has been both quite happily. But it has to have that balance.

I think the BBC forgot what exactly their show was. By trying to compete with X-Factor they have tried to make it into an X-Factor type show. But you can get away with putting silly dolly birds on the X-Factor panel because essentially its just a silly kareoke show and anybody can pass judgement on whether someone can sing or not. Dance isn't like that. Dance is technical. So whilst SCD is mainly an entertainment show, it also has to be credible technically. Its actually a very difficult show to get right and at the moment the BBC are getting it wrong in many differant ways, which is a shame.
Ignazio
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by tonydancer:
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Don't be so precious, get over yourselves!”

You too sweetheart.
David Wright
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“Viewers have 2 voting buttons, the first as mentioned above, the second is labelled "MUTE". I pressed the MUTE 20 times last Saturday, 22 times the Saturday before. Tonight 18 times only -- things are looking up. ”

Beachcomber
07-11-2009
I hate her rasping voice and her inability to speak the Queen's English but her comments to Craig Kelly were spot on. Not only can he not dance, he can't act either.
jill1812
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by Beachcomber:
“I hate her rasping voice and her inability to speak the Queen's English but her comments to Craig Kelly were spot on. Not only can he not dance, he can't act either.”

What have you been watching? Craig's an amazing actor.
pasodabble
07-11-2009
This furore reminds me of DWTS season 7 when Carrie Ann Inaba witheringly said to Cloris Leachman after her chacha: "We lost Toni Braxton for this?" to boos from the studio audience. And Cloris finally got voted out that week. And internet sites were buzzing with outrage from the Disgusted-from-Tunbridge-Wells American equivalents. And ABC loved it.

I'm sure truckloads of people will be complaining to the BBC and writing to the papers in disgust. And as happened with Carrie Ann, Alesha'll probably have her contract immediately renewed for series 8 on the back of this "incident"
janetcomelately
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by David Wright:
“It can be/has been both quite happily. But it has to have that balance.

I think the BBC forgot what exactly their show was. By trying to compete with X-Factor they have tried to make it into an X-Factor type show. But you can get away with putting silly dolly birds on the X-Factor panel because essentially its just a silly kareoke show and anybody can pass judgement on whether someone can sing or not. Dance isn't like that. Dance is technical. So whilst SCD is mainly an entertainment show, it also has to be credible technically. Its actually a very difficult show to get right and at the moment the BBC are getting it wrong in many differant ways, which is a shame.”

I think singers will disagree that their art is not technical.

I enjoy both shows as escapist Saturday night entertainment.

IMO, Alesha has far more credibility than Cheryl Cole yet Mrs Cole is number 1 in the charts and is heading the current L'oreal TV campaign so is clearly popular with some folk.

Different strokes for different folks.
Spidey
07-11-2009
Originally Posted by SliverOfDiamond:
“Alesha is living spectacularly down to expectations. I also don't like Bruno's comments, I don't know what's happened to him recently, but he's also started to be unnecessarily cruel.”


Totally agree....on both points! Alesha has totally let me down, and I've seen an ugly side to her tonight And Bruno used to make me laugh all the time, but now lately he is just nasty
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