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Does anyone else feel sorry for Danyl?
doopdidoo
08-11-2009
I mean, bloody hell! What does he have to do?

The power of the media is a very scary thing.
All the things people loved him for in the beginning are now the exact things he's 'hated' for. His confident performance is now deemed cocky. His OTT performance has gone from amazing, to just OTT.

It's one thing not liking his singing style (think back, loads of people hated Leona, and some even voted for Ray to win the final! Seriously... Ray!) Anyway, I digress...

My point is, the cliche - you can't please all of the people all of the time - does hold true. But there has to be some objectivity. The guy can sing, he does have an extra something in most of his performances, and he isn't bad looking. Even if he's not your cup of tea, he's hardly the antichrist. The negativity and constant media bashing is destroying him. He doesn't have Jedward's superhuman ability to withstand that level of hatred.
broadshoulder
08-11-2009
I think you have hit the nail on the head.

The criticism and hate of Danyl has gone way too far. Its been led by the judges (Biffa Cole) and the tabloids but to try and turn him into a figure of national hate is just awful.

Luckily, he rose above it tonight and came out with an excellent rendition.

I have a theory that the h8ters hate on him because he threatens their favourite or commits the cardinal sin of being male and over 25.
Lizzy11268
08-11-2009
I have a bit of faith that its calming down a bit.

There are around 3/4 posters on this forum that will always be nasty, but I have worked out that it is actually only 3/4, maybe 5.

Most people who don't rate Danyl are reasonable and fair with their comments and open to debate. That I have no problem with - we can't all like the same people.

The ones that will beat him with a metaphorical stick no matter what he does are actually in the minority - they just post a lot.

I am not sure if he can now win, but I think its probable and hopeful that the worst of the so called "hate" is over.

And he did well last night.
feisty
08-11-2009
Originally Posted by doopdidoo:
“I mean, bloody hell! What does he have to do?

The power of the media is a very scary thing.
All the things people loved him for in the beginning are now the exact things he's 'hated' for. His confident performance is now deemed cocky. His OTT performance has gone from amazing, to just OTT.

It's one thing not liking his singing style (think back, loads of people hated Leona, and some even voted for Ray to win the final! Seriously... Ray!) Anyway, I digress...

My point is, the cliche - you can't please all of the people all of the time - does hold true. But there has to be some objectivity. The guy can sing, he does have an extra something in most of his performances, and he isn't bad looking. Even if he's not your cup of tea, he's hardly the antichrist. The negativity and constant media bashing is destroying him. He doesn't have Jedward's superhuman ability to withstand that level of hatred. ”

People are like sheep.....what evidence do people have of him being arrogant/cocky etc...nothing other than other people writing or saying it. so they go along with it...

Many people find it difficult to praise people they would rather criticise....makes them feel better about themselves

Also being middle class and intelligent can be also another reason for people to criticise!
kaylah
08-11-2009
Nop, never liked him never will.
neelia
08-11-2009
I think Danyl is handling it ok now. I feel much sorrier for the people talking crap about him.
feisty
08-11-2009
Originally Posted by neelia:
“I think Danyl is handling it ok now. I feel much sorrier for the people talking crap about him.”

Yeah, so do I....it must be awful to suffer from such low self esteem..the only way to raise it is to take a swipe at others..
paralax
08-11-2009
I hate the way this show has encouraged bullying, from the judges to the media and the audience, no wonder kids are so nasty to each other thesedays.

I am not a Danyl fan, I thought the hype over his audition was ridiculous and he has suffered for that. They made bad choices this year in who they put through and a lot of people are annoyed and bored with the ones they did choose that is why the twins are doing so well and why we are bitching about stuff that is trivial when it comes to a talent show.
jrp666
08-11-2009
I certainly do not feel sorry for Danyl. He has been over-cocky from the start. He's bullied two sets of fellow contestants, and behaved like a child in week 4 after he'd been in the bottom two. He is a lot older than some of the other contestants, but with age has certainly not come maturity of professionalism. I don't blame the media, or even Simon, if people have a poor perception of Danyl, it's exclusively his own fault. I really hope he's in the bottom two this week, so finally, we can get him out.
pipnlilly
08-11-2009
Time the media got those claws into someone else now.
Danyl is not as hated as the press would have us think.

My guess is he will win X factor, then no doubt the press will be fighting one another for his exclusive story. If danyl has any sense he will tell them all to for cough
Syntax Error
08-11-2009
I think Danyl should do his own thing & to hell with what faceless people think.

He is clearly the most talented of an admittedly sub-standard bunch this year.

His performance last light was far & away the best performance & that's all the man can do.

Even if he doesn't win the show, he's probably the only one with the raw ability to sustain a musical career, as the other are either horribly bland or can't sing, or in Lloyd's case, both!
Candy Store
08-11-2009
Originally Posted by doopdidoo:
“I mean, bloody hell! What does he have to do?

The power of the media is a very scary thing.
All the things people loved him for in the beginning are now the exact things he's 'hated' for. His confident performance is now deemed cocky. His OTT performance has gone from amazing, to just OTT.

It's one thing not liking his singing style (think back, loads of people hated Leona, and some even voted for Ray to win the final! Seriously... Ray!) Anyway, I digress...

My point is, the cliche - you can't please all of the people all of the time - does hold true. But there has to be some objectivity. The guy can sing, he does have an extra something in most of his performances, and he isn't bad looking. Even if he's not your cup of tea, he's hardly the antichrist. The negativity and constant media bashing is destroying him. He doesn't have Jedward's superhuman ability to withstand that level of hatred. ”

You're making the mistake that so many of his supporters make of thinking that so many people thought he was amazing in the first place or liked him in the first place.

The media stories have not changed my opinion of Danyl's talent. I never thought it was anything to write home about in the first place.

I don't have a problem with confidence if it isn't misplaced and I don't think many people have. It's when there is an element of the someone believing their own hype that it becomes annoying.

You can't compare him to Leona because Leona was good from the start, consistently good throughout and got only better as the competition went on.

He can sing but so can most of them. He is a good singer but not an amazing singer. I don't see an extra something in his performances unless you mean the often inappropriate histrionics. When just standing or sitting there, there is much extra something to his performances as there is to Lloyd.

He's not bad looking, far from it, but neither are any of the guys left. What does that have to do with the case in point? If anything, it should make him more likeable as good looking people are repeatedly more easily forgiven for their actions, behaviour and public perception than the less blessed in the looks department.

If he doesn't have the character to put up with the knocks he is getting then maybe he is looking at the wrong profession. The stage that things have got to, I don't see how it is going to get any better for Danyl if he were to win or not. The media have smelt blood just as they did with Steve B.

Do I feel sorry for him? Not at all. I will say though that perhaps putting himself for this again after two rejections may have a resulted in the desperation that constantly comes through and is far more unappealing than confidence.

Originally Posted by Syntax Error:
“Even if he doesn't win the show, he's probably the only one with the raw ability to sustain a musical career,”

Raw ability? I'm baffled by the constant use of the word raw when it comes to Danyl.

He's a trained and very experienced performer. There is nothing raw about him whatsoever.

This is what makes his reaction to all of this either all the more alarming or all the more seemingly an act. He's not new to the industry and should have been more than hardened by the knocks he has already had over the past ten years.
pipnlilly
08-11-2009
Originally Posted by Syntax Error:
“I think Danyl should do his own thing & to hell with what faceless people think.

He is clearly the most talented of an admittedly sub-standard bunch this year.

His performance last light was far & away the best performance & that's all the man can do.

Even if he doesn't win the show, he's probably the only one with the raw ability to sustain a musical career, as the other are either horribly bland or can't sing, or in Lloyd's case, both!”


Well said.
Slick Nick
08-11-2009
No.

Loathsome individual.

His despair is something to relish.
Syntax Error
08-11-2009
Originally Posted by Candy Store:
“You're making the mistake that so many of his supporters make of thinking that so many people thought he was amazing in the first place or liked him in the first place.

The media stories have not changed my opinion of Danyl's talent. I never thought it was anything to write home about in the first place.

I don't have a problem with confidence if it isn't misplaced and I don't think many people have. It's when there is an element of the someone believing their own hype that it becomes annoying.

You can't compare him to Leona because Leona was good from the start, consistently good throughout and got only better as the competition went on.

He can sing but so can most of them. He is a good singer but not an amazing singer. I don't see an extra something in his performances unless you mean the often inappropriate histrionics. When just standing or sitting there, there is much extra something to his performances as there is to Lloyd.

He's not bad looking, far from it, but neither are any of the guys left. What does that have to do with the case in point? If anything, it should make him more likeable as good looking people are repeatedly more easily forgiven for their actions, behaviour and public perception than the less blessed in the looks department.

If he doesn't have the character to put up with the knocks he is getting then maybe he is looking at the wrong profession. The stage that things have got to, I don't see how it is going to get any better for Danyl if he were to win or not. The media have smelt blood just as they did with Steve B.

Do I feel sorry for him? Not at all. I will say though that perhaps putting himself for this again after two rejections may have a resulted in the desperation that constantly comes through and is far more unappealing than confidence.



Raw ability? I'm baffled by the constant use of the word raw when it comes to Danyl.

He's a trained and very experienced performer. There is nothing raw about him whatsoever.

This is what makes his reaction to all of this either all the more alarming or all the more seemingly an act. He's not new to the industry and should have been more than hardened by the knocks he has already had over the past ten years.”

But he does have raw ability, hence why he has been in the industry.

Contrast that to Lloyd; he hasn't got any raw ability & I doubt we'll be hearing anything about him after XF6 is over.
jacqui.b
08-11-2009
I dont think Danyl is the best singer on the show. I think Olly is but everyone is had different opinions but I dont think he deserves the bad press he is getting. Saying that, Simon makes a big deal of it every week but look at the horrible attention that the twins get. No one really says much about that. All they get is oh they are thick skinned, they can deal with it. How does everyone know they can deal with it. they are young kids. Im not a bit twin fan but i dont think of the contestants should have to deal with hate mail, the press making out everyone hates u etc.
Syntax Error
08-11-2009
Originally Posted by jacqui.b:
“I dont think Danyl is the best singer on the show. I think Olly is but everyone is had different opinions but I dont think he deserves the bad press he is getting. Saying that, Simon makes a big deal of it every week but look at the horrible attention that the twins get. No one really says much about that. All they get is oh they are thick skinned, they can deal with it. How does everyone know they can deal with it. they are young kids. Im not a bit twin fan but i dont think of the contestants should have to deal with hate mail, the press making out everyone hates u etc.”

Spot on.

Danyl needs to be more thick skinned.

Criticism is to be expected on a show like this.

Other contestants have had bad press, but they just get on with it.

Danyl has enough ablility to prove his critics wrong.
kenda11
08-11-2009
Originally Posted by Slick Nick:
“No.

Loathsome individual.

His despair is something to relish.
”

wow....good argument...

i see you put it in bold aswell....you smart
mjb22
08-11-2009
Originally Posted by Slick Nick:
“No.

Loathsome individual.

His despair is something to relish.
”

I think that you are probably more loathsome although I wouldn't judge you until I had met you!

Get it?!
MissMatch
08-11-2009
Danyl is definitly not my favourite singer in the competition but some people are being very harsh on him (and J&E.) What has he done to make people hate him so much?

I did feel sorry for him after that awful performance of Aerosmith; he looked so sad.
dome
08-11-2009
I find the unjustified 'hate' exceptionally loathsome.

I'd rather people would try channelling that negative energy into something more worthy of hatred and help change the world into a better place for all.
Houseangel
08-11-2009
I've become a bit of a convert to Danyl. When he calms down and cuts back on the over-the-top 'Danylisms' he is a pretty good singer, and the abuse he's had to take from people is ridiculous.

I do think he's a bit of a personality vacuum (who isn't this year?) but certainly not a nasty person or a bully. Hopefully he'll do well in the rest of the competition.
BatmanLaBatman
08-11-2009
Originally Posted by Syntax Error:
“But he does have raw ability, hence why he has been in the industry.”

Danyl is professionally trained and experienced.

He will have had raw ability prior to this but he is far from raw.

Danyl is the finished article. If he were a little younger or without his background, I would say there is possibility for improvement but not under the circumstances.

He was good last night though.
BigBitch
08-11-2009
I just don't like singers who over-sing, and I think he does.
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