People its just the way the show works (re lucie/rachel)

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Lizzy11268

13-11-2009

[quote=duneriver;36635532]And who made you lord and master of how people should vote? I vote for the act I like the most, I don't need to be told how to vote by the Cowell machine or whatever arbitrary standard people create to justify their decisions. The charts aren't all about singing you know. Jedward, Jamie andDanyl are the only acts left who I'd personally buy. Unless the others suddenly decide to create personalities overnight.[/QUOTE]

That bit made me laugh.

Arnostae's Mum

13-11-2009

Originally Posted by iain:
“firstly, i think you need to get that twitch sorted out.

yes - i know that the deadlock thing is there as an option, but the whole perceived point of the deadlock thing is where the two acts in the bottom two are evenly matched, and its too close to call.

where it would be perfectly reasonable for them to get two votes each.

it was barely reasonable for Rachel and Lloyd to get two votes each (his croaky voice being the benefit of the doubt), and it was simply farcical that John & Edward and Lucie got two votes each.

Iain”

What a load of tosh!

The point of deadlock is for Simon to be able to get rid of the act HE wants to lose, or rather to keep the act HE wants to keep.

If the normal judges vote does what Simon needs then it's fine by him. But if the judges vote goes against his plan AND the public vote goes his way he takes it to deadlock and blames the public.

Having said that, there is no way that the judges vote and the public vote would both go against Simon. This is no random decision. What Simon wants Simon gets. Simon wants publicity and thus viewers. Plain and simple.

Arnostae's Mum

13-11-2009

Originally Posted by sinbad22uk:
“And many people can't believe that you think the twins are more talented than Lucie, the major opinion polls on TV show that you would be in the 9% minority”

Lucy IMHO definitely is better vocally than the twins. I won't dispute that.

On the other hand. J&E are IMHO more entertaining.

Which talent (vocal or entertaining) do I want to see this week? There's no contest. I want to be entertained, so J&E are my choice.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So is talent.

Arnostae's Mum

13-11-2009

Originally Posted by Monsieur Hulot:
“Want to know how the show really works? There's an excellent article in The Independent:

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...y-1818869.html”

What a fantastic article. Who would dare to dispute

Quote:
“There can be no massive victory for the public, because the public will do his will even when it thinks it's defying him. If Simon concludes that the cocky but vocally gifted Danyl Johnson should win, he will tweak the coverage in the tabloids that prostrate themselves before his Gucci loafers to persuade us that Danyl has completed the journey to true humility. If he decides one of the younger boys has more commercial potential, he will fix it for Olly Murs or Joe McElderry. If Stacey Solomon strikes him as the next big diva, she will triumph. He controls every aspect of this show, his sole possession and much the most brilliantly produced in TV history, in every minuscule detail.

And he controls us, partly because in this infantilised transatlantic age he is a master of child psychology. He knows even lukewarm praise of an act he previously attacked (Lucie and Jedward on Saturday; Rachel Adedeji the week before) will turn us off them; and conversely that if he goes too far in slagging an act off (Jedward previously), we will give it the sympathy vote in the naïve assumption that this will infuriate him. Gordon Brown, who knows enough of his omnipotence to suck up to him whenever possible, is the unwilling beneficiary of this very syndrome. The Sun, which lacks a shred of Mr Cowell's innate feel for how far to go, pushed far too hard with its conflated nonsense about that letter, badly overplaying its hand even as it ridiculed his.”

Every "talent show" on UK TV has had the same aim. The producers know who they want to win and will use every psychological trick in the book to get their own way. Simon Cowel is just a master of such trickery

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