All this righteous indignation over one of the competiton's drabbest performers going out.... I agree with the OP.
Remember its a TV show, not a TALENT show.
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I don't mind it being a talent/entertainment/ratings show at all. What I mind is Simon saying that he will judge things on the sing off, then not. I mind Simon repeatedly saying it is a singing competition (his words not mine) then not saving the best singers (Rachel over Lloyd, if you can't vote on the sing off then vote over previous performance, don't shirk the responsibility).
Originally Posted by cr120575:
“I don't mind it being a talent/entertainment/ratings show at all. What I mind is Simon saying that he will judge things on the sing off, then not. I mind Simon repeatedly saying it is a singing competition (his words not mine) then not saving the best singers (Rachel over Lloyd, if you can't vote on the sing off then vote over previous performance, don't shirk the responsibility).”
“I don't mind it being a talent/entertainment/ratings show at all. What I mind is Simon saying that he will judge things on the sing off, then not. I mind Simon repeatedly saying it is a singing competition (his words not mine) then not saving the best singers (Rachel over Lloyd, if you can't vote on the sing off then vote over previous performance, don't shirk the responsibility).”
please understand im not slagging the show ff, because I watch it myself, but you have to take it all with a pinch of salt, it is all panto.
The acts basicly sell their sole to cowell the minute they get to the final, which i think is horrible.
Lucie is much better off out of it imo. Only thing is she is contracted for 12 months to do the tour ect. But in their contract they are not allowed to dis the show or simon cowell, or he can sue their ass!!
The contestants probably know how it is as well. I mean although lucie is out she is still on the tour, and will prob get plenty of offers once her contract is out.
i just think people need to realise that everything on the show is done for a reason. all this publicity...i can see the pund signs rolling in cowells eyes now!
Originally Posted by Hogzilla:
“All this righteous indignation over one of the competiton's drabbest performers going out.... I agree with the OP.”
“All this righteous indignation over one of the competiton's drabbest performers going out.... I agree with the OP.”
You really don't understand what all the press/coverage is over do you?
Originally Posted by cr120575:
“You really don't understand what all the press/coverage is over do you?”
“You really don't understand what all the press/coverage is over do you?”
I dont understand what you mean?
Originally Posted by ~sugarpinkloz:
“I dont understand what you mean?”
“I dont understand what you mean?”
I was replying to Hogzilla, hence why I quoted his comment. Post #20 on this thread explains what I mean:-
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s....php?t=1160179
Originally Posted by cr120575:
“I was replying to Hogzilla, hence why I quoted his comment. Post #20 on this thread explains what I mean:-
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s....php?t=1160179”
“I was replying to Hogzilla, hence why I quoted his comment. Post #20 on this thread explains what I mean:-
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s....php?t=1160179”
I understand you were replying to hogzilla, just didnt understand what you meant by "press coverage" i understand after reading that post.
But remember, did Simon really say he would "leave the country" if the twins won?? or is it all tabloid crap thats been made up.
Im pretty sure simon woulldnt give a quote to the likes of the daily star and the sun etc.
I agree with the OP to some extent.
First and foremost this programme is about producing a successful piece of TV and that means ratings and revenue. The fact it's built around awarding a recording contract is secondary to the primary reason for the programme's existence.
The programme's format is a successful business model and, as such, it's made SC millions by being picked up by countries worldwide.
..that's the source of the largest proportion of revenue,IMO, and the whole reason for the programme's conception.
I think maybe some people need to look a little deeper than the idea that these kinds of shows are solely created to look for 'talent'.
First and foremost this programme is about producing a successful piece of TV and that means ratings and revenue. The fact it's built around awarding a recording contract is secondary to the primary reason for the programme's existence.
The programme's format is a successful business model and, as such, it's made SC millions by being picked up by countries worldwide.
..that's the source of the largest proportion of revenue,IMO, and the whole reason for the programme's conception.
I think maybe some people need to look a little deeper than the idea that these kinds of shows are solely created to look for 'talent'.
Originally Posted by stillrockin:
“I agree with the OP to some extent.
First and foremost this programme is about producing a successful piece of TV and that means ratings and revenue. The fact it's built around awarding a recording contract is secondary to the primary reason for the programme's existence.
The programme's format is a successful business model and, as such, it's made SC millions by being picked up by countries worldwide.
..that's the source of the largest proportion of revenue,IMO, and the whole reason for the programme's conception.
I think maybe some people need to look a little deeper than the idea that these kinds of shows are solely created to look for 'talent'.”
“I agree with the OP to some extent.
First and foremost this programme is about producing a successful piece of TV and that means ratings and revenue. The fact it's built around awarding a recording contract is secondary to the primary reason for the programme's existence.
The programme's format is a successful business model and, as such, it's made SC millions by being picked up by countries worldwide.
..that's the source of the largest proportion of revenue,IMO, and the whole reason for the programme's conception.
I think maybe some people need to look a little deeper than the idea that these kinds of shows are solely created to look for 'talent'.”
Agreeed, it is a very succesfull TV show, its just a shame that they are playing with peoples lives.
Originally Posted by ~sugarpinkloz:
“Agreeed, it is a very succesfull TV show, its just a shame that they are playing with peoples lives.”
“Agreeed, it is a very succesfull TV show, its just a shame that they are playing with peoples lives.”
I don't think anybody has suffered anything life threatening by reason of taking part in the Show.
As far as I can see anybody who makes it into the final twelve benefits from a raft of exposure and publicity, which otherwise would be unavailable.
It's a big springboard into the industry, public and media eye.
Originally Posted by stillrockin:
“I don't think anybody has suffered anything life threatening by reason of taking part in the Show.
As far as I can see anybody who makes it into the final twelve benefits from a raft of exposure and publicity, which otherwise would be unavailable.
It's a big springboard into the industry, public and media eye.”
“I don't think anybody has suffered anything life threatening by reason of taking part in the Show.
As far as I can see anybody who makes it into the final twelve benefits from a raft of exposure and publicity, which otherwise would be unavailable.
It's a big springboard into the industry, public and media eye.”
yes I understand that. Its more the rounds before the final that are worse. All the really bad people you see in front of the judges have got through 3 rounds to get tothe judges, but the worst part is that the produces tel these people they are really good...so they get high hopes. When they are then met with comments such as "what makes you think you can sing...why??" it must be pretty sole destroying.
They are basicly getting characters for their pantomime, but dont have to pay them as people are desperate to be on tv.
Originally Posted by ~sugarpinkloz:
“I understand you were replying to hogzilla, just didnt understand what you meant by "press coverage" i understand after reading that post.
But remember, did Simon really say he would "leave the country" if the twins won?? or is it all tabloid crap thats been made up.
Im pretty sure simon woulldnt give a quote to the likes of the daily star and the sun etc.”
“I understand you were replying to hogzilla, just didnt understand what you meant by "press coverage" i understand after reading that post.
But remember, did Simon really say he would "leave the country" if the twins won?? or is it all tabloid crap thats been made up.
Im pretty sure simon woulldnt give a quote to the likes of the daily star and the sun etc.”
For anyone who thinks that his "quote" was just tabloid propanganda, 52 seconds to 1 minute 20 through this video:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6AHvbYCWUc
Originally Posted by cr120575:
“For anyone who thinks that his "quote" was just tabloid propanganda, 52 seconds to 1 minute 20 through this video:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6AHvbYCWUc”
“For anyone who thinks that his "quote" was just tabloid propanganda, 52 seconds to 1 minute 20 through this video:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6AHvbYCWUc”
ok fair enough, but Simon did say he didnt know that the public vote would go that way. but this thread isnt really about the lucie/simon thing.
as i said its all panto.
Originally Posted by ~sugarpinkloz:
“ok fair enough, but Simon did say he didnt know that the public vote would go that way. but this thread isnt really about the lucie/simon thing.
as i said its all panto.”
“ok fair enough, but Simon did say he didnt know that the public vote would go that way. but this thread isnt really about the lucie/simon thing.
as i said its all panto.”
He knew, everyone knew the twins wouldn't poll the lowest public vote.
Regardless he opted not to send them home, as he had the vote which could have done that. Goes against everything he has said. That is what all the press coverage is about, Lucie just happened to be the one the twins were up against.
Is this thread a joke? Really?
Of COURSE it's a "TV SHOW". It's also been marketed as a TALENT SHOW and(in Cowell's own words) a "SINGING competition" for the past six years. I know not everything is on the up and up on these shows, but you can't just turn around and say "Ah, it's JUST an entertainment show!!" when Cowell is taking it in the press and internet for going back on what he's always said.
He screwed up. If not now, then when he bleated on and on about it being a "SINGING competition" ect... deal with it.
Of COURSE it's a "TV SHOW". It's also been marketed as a TALENT SHOW and(in Cowell's own words) a "SINGING competition" for the past six years. I know not everything is on the up and up on these shows, but you can't just turn around and say "Ah, it's JUST an entertainment show!!" when Cowell is taking it in the press and internet for going back on what he's always said.
He screwed up. If not now, then when he bleated on and on about it being a "SINGING competition" ect... deal with it.
Originally Posted by jujubee:
“Is this thread a joke? Really?
Of COURSE it's a "TV SHOW". It's also been marketed as a TALENT SHOW and(in Cowell's own words) a "SINGING competition" for the past six years. I know not everything is on the up and up on these shows, but you can't just turn around and say "Ah, it's JUST an entertainment show!!" when Cowell is taking it in the press and internet for going back on what he's always said.
He screwed up. If not now, then when he bleated on and on about it being a "SINGING competition" ect... deal with it.”
“Is this thread a joke? Really?
Of COURSE it's a "TV SHOW". It's also been marketed as a TALENT SHOW and(in Cowell's own words) a "SINGING competition" for the past six years. I know not everything is on the up and up on these shows, but you can't just turn around and say "Ah, it's JUST an entertainment show!!" when Cowell is taking it in the press and internet for going back on what he's always said.
He screwed up. If not now, then when he bleated on and on about it being a "SINGING competition" ect... deal with it.”
Its never been a telent show. the talent is just used to make tv...people are sooo deluded about the process...why is sc getting stick now? why not getting stick for all the talent getting turned down on the audition process.
He's getting stick now because he should his true colours blatently on Sunday. Usually he is sly enough to make sure people don't notice.
Originally Posted by cr120575:
“He's getting stick now because he should his true colours blatently on Sunday. Usually he is sly enough to make sure people don't notice.”
“He's getting stick now because he should his true colours blatently on Sunday. Usually he is sly enough to make sure people don't notice.”
Thats exactly that, its always been this way, its always been about him and noone else.
Originally Posted by ~sugarpinkloz:
“People are getting really angry, and personally I dont see why. People are beliveing that it is a TALENT show.
It isnt, and never has been. There are 3 rounds before they see simon and co for their "1st" audition.
So all those terribly bad people you see on tv have got through 3 rounds, where other really talented people have been over looked. This has always been the case.
People should just take a step back and realise this has been happening since it started, its nothing new, nobody complaints about the really talented people passed up in the 1st rounds of auditions for people like Jedward.
Now I appreciate its a TV show, and I watch it as that. Its the same as watching a soap ect.
It is good viewing as long as you realise it is mailny to line cowells pockets, he doesnt care who wins as all the money goes to him anyway. And dannii and cheryl are both their for their own benifit.”
“People are getting really angry, and personally I dont see why. People are beliveing that it is a TALENT show.
It isnt, and never has been. There are 3 rounds before they see simon and co for their "1st" audition.
So all those terribly bad people you see on tv have got through 3 rounds, where other really talented people have been over looked. This has always been the case.
People should just take a step back and realise this has been happening since it started, its nothing new, nobody complaints about the really talented people passed up in the 1st rounds of auditions for people like Jedward.
Now I appreciate its a TV show, and I watch it as that. Its the same as watching a soap ect.
It is good viewing as long as you realise it is mailny to line cowells pockets, he doesnt care who wins as all the money goes to him anyway. And dannii and cheryl are both their for their own benifit.”
So it's gone from a singing show, to a talent show, now to an TV show.
I for one, can't wait until it's loses its appeal and is cut.
Sting hit the nail on the head when he said it is a glorified karaoke contest and "nothing to do with music".
All of this reverential talk abut it being a singing competition to find the best vocalist in the UK is laughable.
All of this reverential talk abut it being a singing competition to find the best vocalist in the UK is laughable.
Originally Posted by willywonker:
“So it's gone from a singing show, to a talent show, now to an TV show.
I for one, can't wait until it's loses its appeal and is cut.”
“So it's gone from a singing show, to a talent show, now to an TV show.
I for one, can't wait until it's loses its appeal and is cut.”
No..its a tv show, has always been a tv show, never a singing contest, never a talent show.
Originally Posted by ~sugarpinkloz:
“No..its a tv show, has always been a tv show, never a singing contest, never a talent show.”
“No..its a tv show, has always been a tv show, never a singing contest, never a talent show.”
Actually it's a popularity contest.
Danni put it perfectly after Lucie went on xtra factor, saying they should just make all the acts rap and dance instead of try and get them to sing.
I would argue that it IS a tallent show, but more that it's a TV based tallent competition. Tallent comes in many guises, the ability to entertain many people from different walks of life simultaneously is a tangible tallent.
As for singing competition, completely right, it's not a singing competition. If it were, there would be no phone vote and it would be decided by a panel of professionals.
Originally Posted by jujubee:
“Is this thread a joke? Really?
Of COURSE it's a "TV SHOW". It's also been marketed as a TALENT SHOW and(in Cowell's own words) a "SINGING competition" for the past six years. I know not everything is on the up and up on these shows, but you can't just turn around and say "Ah, it's JUST an entertainment show!!" when Cowell is taking it in the press and internet for going back on what he's always said.
He screwed up. If not now, then when he bleated on and on about it being a "SINGING competition" ect... deal with it.”
“Is this thread a joke? Really?
Of COURSE it's a "TV SHOW". It's also been marketed as a TALENT SHOW and(in Cowell's own words) a "SINGING competition" for the past six years. I know not everything is on the up and up on these shows, but you can't just turn around and say "Ah, it's JUST an entertainment show!!" when Cowell is taking it in the press and internet for going back on what he's always said.
He screwed up. If not now, then when he bleated on and on about it being a "SINGING competition" ect... deal with it.”
i'm sure i'm going to be saying this many times, and it's not just directed at you.
i think the day leon jackson won over rhydian, it proved that the x factor wasn't a singing competition.
Originally Posted by Sophie_10:
“i'm sure i'm going to be saying this many times, and it's not just directed at you.
i think the day leon jackson won over rhydian, it proved that the x factor wasn't a singing competition.”
“i'm sure i'm going to be saying this many times, and it's not just directed at you.
i think the day leon jackson won over rhydian, it proved that the x factor wasn't a singing competition.”
Actually, i thought that proved the show had nothing to do with the term "X-Factor" because imo Rhydian really had it.
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