OMG I thought i had forgotten him. he was a good singer but a very scary man!

ok...you think its a tv show that is totally staged, all the past winners have been planted and its all fake..just done for entertainment and to pull in more viewers than scd.

although i believe they let the crap people get to the televised auditions to make good tv...thats pretty understandable...it would be pretty boring otherwise. I dont believe they turn down great singers ....i still like to believe theres a talent show hidden underneath somewhere.

shout me down if you want (as youve down with everyone else who disagrees with you)....but it isnt going to change my view on it

btw...i wouldnt usually comment on spelling....but my god....theres a spell check built in ffs!!

If you knew anyone who has ever been through the audition process, you would know how bad it is.

Have a read of this artical and see what you think
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8209429.stm

I would regard Leona as the exception to the rule, so far JLS and Alexandra are still riding on the success of the TV show.

If the show was truly about Talent and not about making good TV, the star wouldn't be a judge, the singers wouldn't be taking criticism from a guy who brought us Robson and Jerome, the only original composition ever performed wouldn't be Chico time, The Judges single wouldn't vastly outsell the winners single.

The show is effectively just a drawn out version of Stars In Their Eyes, but without the costumes. It's light entertainment and it's good at it, hence the amount of coverage it's getting. Some people just need to stop taking it so seriously, as if contestants die or something when they leave the show. If they are truly talented and desperately wronged they will manage to do well, unless of course they just think they have decent voices and want to just let a TV show do all the hard work for them, if that's the case they deserve their fast slide back into obscurity.

ok..so basically that article says that the production team put through crap acts for entertainment value. They also get the auditionees to do the shout and scream at the camera thing.

its bad that it last for so long.....but then there are thousands of people at the auditions.....if it was that bad then surely someone in the media would have picked up on it and made a story about it.

And tbh im not just going to take the singers word for it that he was worthy of going through....having watched x factor....im going to take that with a pinch of salt.

Maybe because we don't get to see that - it's hidden x factor machinations.

What we DO see is a cross section of applicants many of whom are turned down because they cannot sing.

They are not going to choose awesome singers very often because there is no room for 'improvement' or 'journey' to follow and no ongoing drama of good/bad performance each week.

Cowell DOES dangle the carrot of a recording contract though, which would lead most to assume that he was looking for a serious singing talent.

Every year we get untalented outrageous acts get through s cannon fodder and to make the others look better than they are. This year their novelty act is staying in over other acts the public think are better or more worthy and there's the problem.

It's making everyone question everything about the show and the gloss is off the product to leave the muddy tactics visible to everyone.

Its not a singer, its a reporter. That was only the 1st audition, there are 2 more afer that.

I understand that Simon Cowell has better things to do than watch thousands of people, but 100 per city?? it would be better if they at least explained that there are 3 rounds first, but the make it look like all the people jumping and clapping are waiting for the judges.

Its all 1 big lie!!

People pervcieve it differently and that is fine, I don't see the point in watching something that gets you angry or stressed out, we watch TV to be entertained.

I don't take it too seriously, for every sucess there are dozens of failures, even with people who win. The contestants are taking it seriously as they should but it doesn't change our lives.

Its a talent show of course, but one that is given gentle nudges from time to time to make sure the public keep:

- Watching
- Talking about it
- Ringing up to vote (=£££££££££££££)

Its usually the most talented act that comes through in the end, but not before we've gone through a lot of silliness i.e.

- Hopeless acts at the televised auditions
- Making sure at least one controversial act gets through to the live shows; why else was Loius given the groups oif not to make sure Jedward got through?
- Bickering between the judges

It makes great telly even though some of the contestents go through mental agony in the process. The pelters aimed at Jedward at the Back St Boys concert are case-in-point, someone has to take moral responsibility for that because it can't be nice for them, although I accept they submitted themselves to the process in the first place.

then surely it invalidates the point they were trying to make.

in that...good singers arent getting through. you're basically saying she couldnt sing....so obviously she was never going to get through.

the auditionees obviously only do the jumping and clapping thing for the camera...why is that so bad?? they obviously dont stand jumping and clapping all the time. unless they're crazy

i agree with all of that....i just didnt agree that the winner is selected before the auditions.

I never said the winner was selected before the auditions.

I said that Simon plants a few of his discovered talents into the mix...its still down to the public to decide the winner, they just happen to play into simons hands

i just think its impossible to plant an act with the intention of them winning....as you said its the public who decide the winner not the production team.
People seem to think that Danyl was set up to win it. Look at whats happened to him. The media have decided he's cocky and arrogant and now a lot people "hate" him.

The fickle nature of the voting public means its impossible to set someone up to win. You'd be leaving to much to chance.

Wouldnt you????

I wouldn't say that ALL the past winners have been planted...but I would definitely say that SOME have.

I've just made a post myself about Leona being planted...I also beleive Danyl is too.
And I definitely think that Alexandra was asked to come back another year.

It makes perfect sense for Simon to do that - with somebody like Leona Lewis, it was pretty much a dead cert that she was going to win it....she was in the final against RAY ffs!!!! - but even if she hadnt won, she would CLEARLY have done very very well - and its all publicity for his act at the end of the day. VERY good publicity too.

I agree.

I understand that, but the public can be pushed in the right direction,

leona was just this little receptionist bla bla...she is a sweet girl so there is not much that you cant like about her, she has a brill voice as well.

the more airtime and the better the story, the more popular they will be.

If cowell was dissing lucie for being boring then what is leona?? to me she seems dead behind the eyes, she just stands still and waves her arms a bit.

She has a really good voice ill give her that..but it is just a whitney/carey reproduction, which has prooved to be very popular