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I just dont get why Joe is amongst the favourites...
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BatmanLaBatman
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by ogg monster:
“I agree with this. I think people see this year as worse because no one is Alexandra league, but saying that, Alexandra wasn't Alexandra league until a good few weeks in.”

I don't agree. Alexandra was a class above from the start. I really don't know what on earth Simon was on about those first few weeks, but then that's usually the case anyway.

We keep being reminded that this is a singing competition (even if last week's decision would lead that to be debatable) and if so there is only one justifiable winner. Joe is by far the best singer in the competition. Added to which he is the only one who on camera looks like a potential star and has a likeability only equalled by Olly and for many people Stacey
duneriver
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by jojo1967:
“Joe is by no means mediocre or bland, the song choices though are. Ok he's no Hendrix if that is your taste but he has an excellent voice and has performed note perfect with all of the rubbish songs that have been chosen for him. It's not his fault what songs he is given but he has coped well with them.”

Exactly my point - CHOSEN FOR HIM. If he had the balls to to express his own opinion instead of pandering to the safe route of musicals and smiling like a muppet for every song he sings (yeah, 'no regrets' is really happy Joe, I can feel your pain!), I might have some respect. He's safer than a Durex condom.

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“And, for your information, I don't like Disney musicals, am certainly not a senile pensioner and I don't go craaaaazy at office xmas parties.”

Sorry you're not convincing me.
WelshNige
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by jojo1967:
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Another thing, wish I was a gamber, way back from Pop Idol right through to every series of X Factor I have got the winner right in every single one of them, that's from early to mid stages, not just knowing who the final 2 were.”

What, including Michelle Macmanus, Steve Brookstein and Leon???

Anyway, as you're such a fantastic judge of the winner please tell us who's going to win it this year.....
jojo1967
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by duneriver:
“Exactly my point - CHOSEN FOR HIM. If he had the balls to to express his own opinion instead of pandering to the safe route of musicals and smiling like a muppet for every song he sings (yeah, 'no regrets' is really happy Joe, I can feel your pain!), I might have some respect. He's safer than a Durex condom.



Sorry you're not convincing me.”

I agree with you, he should stand up and make himself heard on the song choices but you have to remember, he's only a young boy who's probably just taking what is given to him by the "so called" experts. I think Jamie is able to put up an argument on the song choices because of his age and experience but his choices have been shocking as well. The smiling thing with Joe, I think that's just his way, I wish he didn't have that constant smiling thing going on but it doesn't take away the fact he has a great voice. If he toned down the grin it would be better though.

BTW, I'm not trying to convince you of anything, you have your views and I have mine, that's allowed. I'm no senile pensioner although I feel like one just now as I am dying with the flu just now, craaazy at office parties not my style (don't have an office anyway!).
duneriver
13-11-2009
No problem jojo, to each their own. Voting for someone because their name rhymes with yours is still unforgivable.
jojo1967
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by WelshNige:
“What, including Michelle Macmanus, Steve Brookstein and Leon???

Anyway, as you're such a fantastic judge of the winner please tell us who's going to win it this year.....”

Yes including all of the above. Michelle MacManus had a good voice she just didn't have the image but I knew she would win, Steve Brookstein, good voice who got the public behind him when Sharon Osbourne was so vile to him, sympathy vote I think. Leon I liked so he had my "Scottish" vote although Rhydian was the rightful winner, couldn't believe Leon won it tbh.

I'm not saying I'm a fantastic judge of the winner, it's just happened that the ones I've backed have won whether they were truly the best or not. This year my favourite is Joe and hope he goes all the way but I wouldn't be surprised if Olly won it, especially if he starts getting some decent songs to show off his voice. This has been the worst year really as the song choices have been atrocious (apart from Hurt) so noone has really shone out. First one to get a slow, powerful ballad and nail it will have it in the bag. The fast rocky type songs are not what wins it for any of them, the gbp in general like a ballad to show what their voice is capable of but it has to be a good one, not bloody Circle of Life or garbage like that.
jojo1967
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by duneriver:
“No problem jojo, to each their own. Voting for someone because their name rhymes with yours is still unforgivable.”

LOL, just thank god my name is not John or Edward!
WelshNige
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by jojo1967:
“Yes including all of the above. Michelle MacManus had a good voice she just didn't have the image but I knew she would win, Steve Brookstein, good voice who got the public behind him when Sharon Osbourne was so vile to him, sympathy vote I think. Leon I liked so he had my "Scottish" vote although Rhydian was the rightful winner, couldn't believe Leon won it tbh.

I'm not saying I'm a fantastic judge of the winner, it's just happened that the ones I've backed have won whether they were truly the best or not. This year my favourite is Joe and hope he goes all the way but I wouldn't be surprised if Olly won it, especially if he starts getting some decent songs to show off his voice. This has been the worst year really as the song choices have been atrocious (apart from Hurt) so noone has really shone out. First one to get a slow, powerful ballad and nail it will have it in the bag. The fast rocky type songs are not what wins it for any of them, the gbp in general like a ballad to show what their voice is capable of but it has to be a good one, not bloody Circle of Life or garbage like that.”

So just for clarities sake are you saying that Joe is your choice of winner this year or are you saying Olly??
sexysusy
13-11-2009
He is one of the favourites because he has a fantastic voice. I thought he might get found out in the live shows but he gets stronger every week. If he sings that Luther Vandross song (first audition) again he'll be a guaranteed winner.
jojo1967
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by WelshNige:
“So just for clarities sake are you saying that Joe is your choice of winner this year or are you saying Olly??”

Just for clarity, my winner is Joe. This could be the first year I'm wrong though but he is the one I'm backing. Listening to the live lounge footage of Jamie and Olly, Olly has a great voice that is just not being shown on the live shows, I've changed my opinion of him since watching that. I just don't know what the judges are playing at this year with the songs, awful and don't suit the singers at all.
shoulders
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by jojo1967:
“Joe is by no means mediocre or bland, the song choices though are. Ok he's no Hendrix if that is your taste but he has an excellent voice and has performed note perfect with all of the rubbish songs that have been chosen for him. It's not his fault what songs he is given but he has coped well with them. And, for your information, I don't like Disney musicals, am certainly not a senile pensioner and I don't go craaaaazy at office xmas parties. People have different tastes in music, that's your call if he doesn't float your boat but I can tell you, I have a very varied taste in music and I know a good voice when I hear one, Joe has a great voice now and in a few years, with experience will be even better.

Another thing, wish I was a gamber, way back from Pop Idol right through to every series of X Factor I have got the winner right in every single one of them, that's from early to mid stages, not just knowing who the final 2 were.”

Hey jojo,

who's your tip to win then, i've had a little flutter on Joe thinking that he has the best voices and he's out of all the headlines waiting to be the dark horse in the back ground come on strong in the second half of the competition to win??
jojo1967
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by shoulders:
“Hey jojo,

who's your tip to win then, i've had a little flutter on Joe thinking that he has the best voices and he's out of all the headlines waiting to be the dark horse in the back ground come on strong in the second half of the competition to win??”

Joe is my winner but Cheryl needs to get her finger out and start giving him better songs. Give him a slow, powerful, emotional ballad, not Disney, and he will have it in the bag. Who knows in this series though, who would have thought that a talented singer such as Lucie would lose out to Jedward, funny as they are, they are just bad.
xxxsiankxxx
13-11-2009
I think Joe is really boring and he doesnt look like a popstar. He has got a great voice tho and would be good in the West End.

Lloyd looks like a popstar and given the right song, he could be amazing!
Dazzer1971
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by austin_to_win:
“Yes he's got a decent voice, but it’s boring completely and utterly boring. All his songs sound the same, he does that annoying sway and he's got no stage presence what so ever !!!

All his voice has got is constant vibrato's...he sounds like a bloody geordie dolphin. To say he's the best singer in the comp is in my opinion a joke.

I just don’t get him at all. He would be less successful than both Steve Brookstein and Leon if he won.”

He is my 4th favorite behind the Cowell trio. He has got the over 60 vote thats why he is popular. My mum and nan both say he sounds nice lol.

These are the things we have to contend with. I have a nephew of 7 that loves John and Edward and really could not care about anyone else.

So we have all under 10's voting Jedward and all over 60's voting Joe lol
floozie_21
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by duneriver:
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Until that happens, he should stick with Disney musicals and appealing to senile pensioners and people who go 'craaaaaazy' at office xmas parties.”

Heeeey, I love Disney Musicals

I don't however love Joe. I've got nothing against his voice; yeah the boy can sing but my god is he boring! As someone else said, the best word to describe him is 'meh'.
newwoman
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by Dazzer1971:
“He is my 4th favorite behind the Cowell trio. He has got the over 60 vote thats why he is popular. My mum and nan both say he sounds nice lol.

These are the things we have to contend with. I have a nephew of 7 that loves John and Edward and really could not care about anyone else.

So we have all under 10's voting Jedward and all over 60's voting Joe lol”

My son is a J&E lover but my mum (who is 65) is an Olly fan . Maybe his performances remind her of being a young woman in the 70's
RuebenClara
14-11-2009
Originally Posted by austin_to_win:
“Yes he's got a decent voice, but it’s boring completely and utterly boring. All his songs sound the same, he does that annoying sway and he's got no stage presence what so ever !!!

All his voice has got is constant vibrato's...he sounds like a bloody geordie dolphin. To say he's the best singer in the comp is in my opinion a joke.

I just don’t get him at all. He would be less successful than both Steve Brookstein and Leon if he won.”

I completely agree with you! I find his performances awful, then I forget about them as soon as they are over and can't remember why I found them awful in the first place. If he wins, it will be a bigger travesty than Jedward. He does have one unique talent - like you mentioned - making all his songs sound the same. I used to love "Where do Broken Hearts Go" until he sang it. The one performance I do remember is the awful "sway." That "dad" dancing? It was so cringe worthy. It is how I would imagine Louis Walsh to dance. The boy should never dance. I've said this before but he'd make a perfect Joseph in the West End and I am not sure that is a compliment.
MissLauraAlicex
14-11-2009
Yep he would join the Steve and Leon club if he won, but he's so small and adorable lol. Jedward have my vote anywaysss.
Darcyprincess
14-11-2009
Originally Posted by jojo1967:
“Hi everyone, new to the forum but a constant lurker. Just have to say, Joe has been my favourite since the audtion stages. He has a fantastic voice and I think that he could sing anything and make it sound good. Unfortunately the song choices this year have been awful for everyone, not just Joe. It seems to me that Cheryl is too busy thinking about her own solo career to bother mentoring and choosing suitable songs for her acts. I was listening to a cd I made up from the year Leona won. She was given stunning songs that really showed the power in her voice but this year the song choices have been shocking.

There are so many fantastic songs out there which I'm sure they have access to but they are just not getting them. I don't know why they haven't thought of giving Jamie an INXS song as his voice is very similar to Michael Hutchence (would have loved him to do "Never Tear us Apart" in Rock Week or Lenny Kravitz he could easily pull off). His version of "Hurt" has been one of my favourites this year but since then it's been disappointing. Joe, although he was perfect on "Circle of Life", just didn't shine not because he wasn't good but because it's a crap song choice. Of all the movie tracks they could have chosen, this was dire. He needs to be given a powerful ballad to show off his amazing voice, give him the support that Leona obviously got with her song choices. I'm not saying he has the same voice as Leona but it is just as powerful and he can handle it. Remember as well, he's only young and there is only so much personality can shine through in the 3 minutes he has on stage so give him a chance. I think he comes across as a lovely boy and I certainly don't think he is boring, he's just not been given the opportunity to show his personality as others have.

I would love him to win as he is far ahead of everyone in this competition as far as talent is concerned. Olly is a good entertainer but is limited in what he can perform, Danyl I just don't like at all, personality or voice and I would have liked to see what reaction he would have got in the first audition if he didn't have all the backing tracks to assist his performance. Jamie I loved at the beginning but the song choices have been awful since then bar "Hurt". Stacy I loved at the beginning also but she hasn't impressed me since then. Lloyd has been given bad song choices, he's more of a James Morrison performer, needs more songs like that. John and Edward, well, not much I can say about their "talent" not already said here before. Didn't like them at the beginning when they sang over the other girls at the auditions but they have made me laugh in the lives, just because of the sheer awfulness of their performances. They definitely have a career ahead of them in tv, most definitely, but not singing.

Anyway, just my opinion, I'm sure not all will agree with me.”

Spot on! Exactly my sentiments! Even Dannii said that he has got the best voice out of all the males left in the competition! Which Simon absolutely hated and disagreed!

I also agree on the majority of the songs that have been picked for nearly all the contestants, although I do like some of Joes songs! But I totally agree that he needs a massive ballard to show off his beautifull voice. I think that Joe is the dark horse and if you remember rightly Alexandra only started to come to the fore this time last year and she just got better and better.

Lets hope that Joe has got a great song this week. I, like you, have picked the winner every year apart from the year Leon won, I think that Rhydian should have won that year!

Fingers crossed that Joe will get better the longer he stays in, he will have longer on stage. After all he can sing almost anything, unlike the others! Joe is definitely the most versatile! Joe for the win!
Darcyprincess
14-11-2009
Originally Posted by Dazzer1971:
“He is my 4th favorite behind the Cowell trio. He has got the over 60 vote thats why he is popular. My mum and nan both say he sounds nice lol.

These are the things we have to contend with. I have a nephew of 7 that loves John and Edward and really could not care about anyone else.

So we have all under 10's voting Jedward and all over 60's voting Joe lol”

Well I am not over 60 and I love him! I know 20 and 30 year olds that love him and think he is cute and has the purest voice of them all!
Darcyprincess
14-11-2009
Originally Posted by jojo1967:
“Yes including all of the above. Michelle MacManus had a good voice she just didn't have the image but I knew she would win, Steve Brookstein, good voice who got the public behind him when Sharon Osbourne was so vile to him, sympathy vote I think. Leon I liked so he had my "Scottish" vote although Rhydian was the rightful winner, couldn't believe Leon won it tbh.

I'm not saying I'm a fantastic judge of the winner, it's just happened that the ones I've backed have won whether they were truly the best or not. This year my favourite is Joe and hope he goes all the way but I wouldn't be surprised if Olly won it, especially if he starts getting some decent songs to show off his voice. This has been the worst year really as the song choices have been atrocious (apart from Hurt) so noone has really shone out. First one to get a slow, powerful ballad and nail it will have it in the bag. The fast rocky type songs are not what wins it for any of them, the gbp in general like a ballad to show what their voice is capable of but it has to be a good one, not bloody Circle of Life or garbage like that.”


We are so similar in our thoughts, as much as I want Joe to win, I think that it will be Olly! He seems to have so much support! Heres hoping that Joe will shine in this second half of the series!
Since Yesterday
14-11-2009
Unless Stacey suddenly recovers her form, Joe is the best act left. But the show is effectively over now, anyway. None of the remaining acts would be playlisted on Radio 1, and it's doubtful they'd even be given original material to record. The best the 'winner' can hope for is to remain on Syco's books for longer than Leon Jackson managed.
Darcyprincess
14-11-2009
Originally Posted by Since Yesterday:
“Unless Stacey suddenly recovers her form, Joe is the best act left. But the show is effectively over now, anyway. None of the remaining acts would be playlisted on Radio 1, and it's doubtful they'd even be given original material to record. The best the 'winner' can hope for is to remain on Syco's books for longer than Leon Jackson managed.”

I still think that there is much more to come from Joe, but without a doubt there is no Leona Lewis there this year! Well not at the moment anyway!
Larkenn
14-11-2009
Hes the best singer in the competition and a lovely guy. He deserves to be there.
MrsSpoon
14-11-2009
I thought that Joe sang "Circle Of Life" beautifully. He does have a lovely voice with that slow vibrato. I like him best out of all the remaining contestants.
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