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DS Forum members - opinions please!
quinners17
13-11-2009
Basically, I have been commissioned by my university newspaper to write a Charlie Brooker-esque piece on what's on TV at the moment, and have written a fairly substantial section of it on our favourite obsession, the X Factor!

For those of you who have the time to read a fairly long piece, opinions would be much appreciated! (before I submit it)

Quote:
“It really is a tragic state of affairs when a first year university student refuses to indulge in some good old fashioned, Daily Heil-style binge drinking on a Saturday night solely because they don’t want to miss a reality TV show.

But, alas, Simon Cowell’s hulking great beast of a ‘talent contest’, The X Factor (Sat & Sun, 8pm, ITV1), has lumbered back onto our screens, and thus managed to ruin the weekend social lives of practically the entire country, whilst leaving the BBC’s rival reality juggernaut, the rather self-consciously dated Strictly Come Dancing (Sat, 6:50pm, BBC1), feebly foxtrotting along in its wake. Production values are as ludicrously high (and talent as correspondingly low) as ever, and this series has waved goodbye to its last few vestiges of credibility within about two minutes in an orgy of confetti and Lycra-clad maniacs.

Having quickly dispensed with the essentially superfluous contestants (the token black diva, slutty girl group etc) we are left with, we are assured by a booming voice-over, the most promising undiscovered vocal talents in the UK today. Frankly, you’ll wish most of them had remained ‘undiscovered’. Notable contestants from amongst this year’s glittering array of potential worldwide superstars include... Olly, ‘just a regular geezer’ from Essex, with all the charisma and enigmatic sex appeal of a paperclip; Stacey, the kind of character Catherine Tate would reject for being too exaggerated; the so-bad-they’re-actually-amazing twins John & Edward; and the rather dim Welsh teenager Lloyd, who combines the looks of a 90s boyband member with the singing voice of an aged cow. Much of his screen time is spent either gazing vacuously into space or attempting to grope his ‘mentor’ Cheryl Cole, which of course brings us nicely on to the real stars of the program - Simon Cowell and his preening crew of sycophants, the X FACTOR JUDGES. Out they shuffle at the start of each show, in increasingly ridiculous outfits, sliding majestically into their seats and treating us all to an hour of nonsensical clichés, mixed metaphors and excruciating ‘banter’. I can’t even bear to mention the celebrity guests, whose only real role is apparently to stagger on stage and serve as a dire warning against the many and varied perils of drug abuse.

On paper, it sounds appalling – in practise, it’s worse. But it’s still horribly compulsive. Missing an episode can turn a rational human being into a quivering, tearful wreck, incoherent save the occasional wail of ‘NOW I’LL NEVER KNOW WHO WENT OUT!!!’. Because as much as we all like to think we are above this kind of lowest-common-denominator nonsense, every year we discover anew that no-one is truly immune to the addictive power of a transparently manipulative, horrifically expensive bit of reality TV. Weep for us.”

joe rossi
13-11-2009
pretty good, but you aren't really saying anything new..

Maybe try to spice it up a little more..Charlie Brooker is much more acerbic..

8/10!

(see me after class)
Deerd
13-11-2009
Reads well... not quite as pithy as Charlie Brooker but well written and nice use of some technique (alliteration etc)... some part of me feels it would be good were you to hang your hat on the peg of a quote about RTV... Charlie Brooker often does that and it can be quite effective.

Good

/'sliding majestically to [insert] their seats'.
quinners17
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by Deerd:
“/'sliding majestically to [insert] their seats'.”

Thank you!!! God, Microsoft Word really needs a 'missing word' checker...
Deerd
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by quinners17:
“Thank you!!! God, Microsoft Word really needs a 'missing word' checker...”

No prob... thank a mis-spent youth studying for a useless undergrad in Publishing (cos it sounded cool - go figure).
DogmaLoki
13-11-2009
I liked it overall! Particularly the summation.

A few comments to help:

"practise" should be "practice".

I'd put a paragraph break before "Frankly"

"self-consciously dated" -- I don't understand.

Oh, and for what it's worth "Out they shuffle at the start of each show, in increasingly ridiculous outfits" sounded most Brooker to me.
mrs perfect
13-11-2009
I thought it was unbalanced, opiniated and insulting and aleinating to 14-15 million potential readers.

I could be wrong, and you can always blame Charlie Brooker (whoever she is), Good luck with your assignment.
quinners17
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by mrs perfect:
“I thought it was unbalanced, opiniated and insulting and aleinating to 14-15 million potential readers.”

If you'd read some Charlie Brooker, you'd know that's exactly what I'm aiming for

Here's his most recent column on X Factor...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-rad...enburn-xfactor

Obviously I'm nowhere near as good as he is!
Reven
13-11-2009
To me, it comes across as the author being too cool for the XF and trying to say the 'right things' to appeal to the cool kids. Needs more honesty about why the author loves the show and skips Saturday nights out because of it, imo. It's all a bit too cool and edgy and lacking in honesty. Sorry, just being honest. Good in parts, mind.
quinners17
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by Reven:
“To me, it comes across as the author being too cool for the XF and trying to say the 'right things' to appeal to the cool kids. Needs more honesty about why the author loves the show and skips Saturday nights out because of it, imo. It's all a bit too cool and edgy and lacking in honesty. Sorry, just being honest. Good in parts, mind.”

Thanks for commenting! I appreciate what you're saying, you do have a point. Though I can assure you, I'm most definitely not 'too cool' for XF
Odd Socks
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by quinners17:
“Thanks for commenting! I appreciate what you're saying, you do have a point. Though I can assure you, I'm most definitely not 'too cool' for XF ”

It's well written, very much so, but I think perhaps that it's not saying what you want it to say.

There's a lot to be said for straight talking and not worrying about alliteration and the likes. (I'm about to start Stephen Kings new book, who for instance, despises speech including things such as, "She replied, worriedly" or "He screamed, scared." As far as he's concerned, it's ALL said, the message is the important part.)

From what you wrote, my understanding is that you are looking down on those who are sad enough to sit in and watch this drivel, which has never produced nor shown anyone with any talent.

I think though, on a second reading and seeing your subsequent replies, I understand what you're trying to say.

My suggestions follow, take what you like and dump what you don't (as an old friend once said to me, "I'm going to give you some advice. The beauty of advice is that you can ignore if it you don't like it).

I'm really not keen on the Daily-Heil line. I don't know anyone who reads the DM (I know of them, but wouldn't befriend one, hehe), yet everyone I know watches XF. It alienates and makes me feel like some judgemental git is taling a swipe at me.

Perhaps, to go with the current flow, discuss how talent is available, but the show appears to be looking for a short-term commercial artist.

Discuss, by all means, how we all lose a sense of perspective (calling my mom, we discuss XF and only THEN does she ask about the kids, lol). Let it be known that actually, we enjoy this.

Discuss how the XF seems to be playing with real people, Danyl a few weeks back, the backlash on two 18 yrs old kids and Lucie's dreams shattered. Discuss how it not only effects the lives of those on the show but that FOUR THOUSAND people complained to ITV following last week's result! This is what keeps you out of the pub on a Saturday!

Finally, and most importantly, whatever you say, and slag the show off by all means, the rest of us do, you have to end with a line such as, "So, no. I won't be seeing you down the pub on Saturday..."





Sorry if I've been harsh. It was very well written xxx
quinners17
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by DogmaLoki:
“"self-consciously dated" -- I don't understand.”

I was trying to say that it's wilfully old-fashioned, but paradoxically almost gives off the impression of being a bit embarassed about it!


Originally Posted by Odd Socks:
“It's well written, very much so, but I think perhaps that it's not saying what you want it to say.

..... (snip)

Sorry if I've been harsh. It was very well written xxx”

Wow, thanks for taking the time to write me a response like that! Really useful, thanks

Oh and not harsh at all - I was expecting to have obscenities hurled at me!
Odd Socks
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by quinners17:
“I was trying to say that it's wilfully old-fashioned, but paradoxically almost gives off the impression of being a bit embarassed about it!




Wow, thanks for taking the time to write me a response like that! Really useful, thanks

Oh and not harsh at all - I was expecting to have obscenities hurled at me!”

Glad you didnt think I was being a pompous cow (Or maybe you did and you're too polite to say so... hmmmmm)

Just be sarcastic and cutting with it, but I 'think' those are the messages you want to get across. If it helps, write the message and then put the better words in to show what you can do.

If the 'better' words detract from the message, then chuck them out.

I do hope we get to see the final draft Good luck with it xxx
Odd Socks
13-11-2009
PS.

Say "willfully old-fashioned"

Then everyone knows what you mean and the purpose of your writing has been accomplished.
quinners17
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by Odd Socks:
“(Or maybe you did and you're too polite to say so... hmmmmm)”

Naaah, I'd have thought that the OP would have revealed I'm not the type to mince my words

I can't extend it too much as the next half of the piece is going to be on True Blood, but I'm definitely going to tweak and cut and re-word it drawing on your comments.
Odd Socks
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by quinners17:
“Naaah, I'd have thought that the OP would have revealed I'm not the type to mince my words

I can't extend it too much as the next half of the piece is going to be on True Blood, but I'm definitely going to tweak and cut and re-word it drawing on your comments. ”

Great Chuffed to hear that!

The more balanced you are, the less likely people are to dismiss you as a writer and so you become more respected.

It takes ONE <insert name here> fan to convince the Uni that talent exists and your piece is sensational, pointless, meaningless etc etc etc.

It doesn't matter how you balance it, by showcasing real talent, or by it being a guilty pleasure. It has to be that you are one with those who are reading, those who watch XF (else you wouldn't read it).

Your opinion doesn't matter, as long as you're not condeming your readers, is as basic as it goes.

I'll do you a deal, you finish this one and I'll do the True Blood one - yay!

(And go to bed!)

xxx
vadvad
13-11-2009
I thought it was definitely a good read.

At no point did I feel urged to stop reading and go onto another thread, it's very witty and I enjoy that in articles.

I assume you're doing something to do with Journalism at university. That's exactly what I want to do next year, I'm so jealous!

Just one sentence that didn't read particularly well to me:

"Missing an episode can turn a rational human being into a quivering, tearful wreck, incoherent save the occasional wail of ‘NOW I’LL NEVER KNOW WHO WENT OUT!!!’."

Perhaps I'm missing something, or my grasp of the English language is lacking, but this seems a little gramatically clumsy.

Maybe, unless I'm utterly mistaken and your superior English skills prove me wrong, you could put the word "incoherant" before quivering, and after: "tearful wreck," put something like: "gushing out occasional frantic wails of 'NOW I'LL NEVER KNOW WHO WENT OUT!!!'

Definitely a great read though, hope I'll be able to write articles like that when I go to uni.
supergirlblibs
13-11-2009
oh I really enjoyed it
Mrs Spratt
13-11-2009
Good stuff - but the wail of 'now I'll never know who went out' isn't quite the case is it - it's repeated at least twice, I record it in case I miss it, and on Sunday when my OH was watching something else I followed the results as they were happening on here - if the thread is still there it's hilarious but it was more hilarious to read it as it was happening!

In fact it may be outside the scope of your article but reality TV as a multi media event is definitely an interesting angle IMO. I'm a normally responsible middle aged woman and my enjoyment of reality TV is definitely linked to chewing it over in these forums. I went cold turkey on Big Brother this year because without a live feed the forums were starved of information and opinions.
Lizzy11268
13-11-2009
I enjoyed it, it was very well written. Someone pointed out that there is nothing new in it and they are right, but for the purposes it is written, that is not a problem.

Good luck with it. Its a longer piece overall, to encompass other tv shows? If so, I would really like to read the article in its entirety if thats possible - maybe by PM if you don't post it anywhere?

Odd Socks If "Under the Dome" is the SK book to which you are referring, I am about 70 pages in and loving it! (Mind you, I never met an SK book I didnt like!). There is a thread in books on the subject if you would like to contribute when you have finished - It started as an ongoing discussion, but now it is to be discussed when those involved have finished reading it. A band of few, but I do enjoy finding people I can discuss SK's work with!
Gneiss
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by quinners17:
“If you'd read some Charlie Brooker, you'd know that's exactly what I'm aiming for ”

Wouldn't a better aim be originality?
allie5
13-11-2009
Its definitely getting there. I write an X Factor blog in the style of these critics (Brooker / Dent / Hyland - although not nearly as good) and someone on here recommended reading Clive James On Television - his TV critiques from the Observer in the 70's and 80's - I picked up a cheap copy and its well worth a read if you are into this style of review. I agree with previous advice and not try to copy another style - try to flow into your own. If you can write an unbiased review then you are doing well - its intrinsically hard with a show like X Factor not to have favourite acts and judges which can leave a lot of people feeling isolated from your work if you favour one over another. MOST reviewers do have a pet act that they champion and its down to your skill as a writer to try and involve your readership rather than alienate them. If you slag off everyone you will be accused of being bitter Not easy to balance it out.

Anyway - good luck - Id also like to see the full article if you have a link.
quinners17
13-11-2009
double post!
quinners17
13-11-2009
Originally Posted by Gneiss:
“Wouldn't a better aim be originality?”

If I was getting paid for it... probably. As it's just some studenty thing that no-one from the outside world (other than these forums) is ever likely to read though I think they would be disappointed if I didn't write it like that!

Originally Posted by vadvad:
“I assume you're doing something to do with Journalism at university. That's exactly what I want to do next year, I'm so jealous! ”

Thanks! Though I'm actually doing History, for reasons best known to myself. (baaaad move, I am up to my ears in essays)

The reason I'm writing this is because people only ever want to review music and films in the student paper, and a friend of mine is like a full -time writer for it and enlisted me to do something on TV for a change.

Originally Posted by allie5:
“Its definitely getting there.

... (snip)

Anyway - good luck - Id also like to see the full article if you have a link.”

Aaaah, it's like talking to someone famous - I LOVE your blog, I have been frantic waiting for last Sunday's edition to arrive!!


Those of you who want to read the full article, I will PM when it's done. Though I hope you watch True Blood or it won't make any sense
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