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Old 14-11-2009, 19:25
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I am sick and tired of the biased voting towards Ricky W. Once again he made mistakes, yet the lowest score he got was an 8. If other couples had got his comments over the last couple of weeks, their scores would be 7s and 8s at most.

The only consolation is that his marks aren't really improving, he seems to have hit a plateau, where as other couples are getting better and better.
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Old 14-11-2009, 19:29
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It's not a farce.

He's in a different league to the other males.
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Old 14-11-2009, 19:30
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The marking is still too high for the mistakes he is making. The judges seem to overlook them.
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Old 14-11-2009, 19:34
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The marking isn't too high at all...and mistakes are just one of a range of factors accounted for in the scoring.
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Old 14-11-2009, 19:40
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Of course the marking is too high. The judges hav a figure in their head before he even takes to the floor. As they probably do for all the dancers. It means
they ignore mistakes for him, which they would penalise other dancers for. That's just not right.

It's not like I think he's a bad dancer, I just think it's unfair.
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Old 14-11-2009, 19:55
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I agree that he seems to be consistently overmarked. They made huge errors last week and again this week yet they are not being penalised in the way other couples would be.

I am also getting a bit fed up of their excuses every week "I made a mistake" "I toned it down" "That was my fault" No other couple is allowed to get away with this! Why are they?

I don't mind Ricky so much he seems nice but Natalie is so nauseating it makes me shiver. She comes across as very vain and conceited and a bit cold and it doesn't seem to do her any favours with the public no matter what the judges may say.

I didn't think too much of their jive either - I think they overhyped it and why was it necessary for her to be sitting on the Judge's desk at the start? There have been better dancers and dances tonight and I hope the results will show that.
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Old 14-11-2009, 20:17
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I thought exactly the same about Natalie sitting on the judges desk at the beginning.

You're also right about the injuries. They do play on them.

I actually think Len only gave Ali and Brian an 8 so that they wouldn't be above ricky. It was definitely a better dance than rickys.
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Old 14-11-2009, 20:45
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When I saw the word farce I thought it was who left. Jade doesn't dance and gets a free pass and leila doesn't even finish. They should have been bottom 2 with Jade going home. It's all the same with these shows, farce, farce, farce.
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Old 14-11-2009, 21:15
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I don't think they were over marked I think their dances & Ali & Brian have a degree of difficulty that the others do not so even if they make mistakes they are still a higher standard than everyone else
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Old 14-11-2009, 21:18
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When I saw the word farce I thought it was who left. Jade doesn't dance and gets a free pass and leila doesn't even finish. They should have been bottom 2 with Jade going home. It's all the same with these shows, farce, farce, farce.
Not farce, farce, farce. Rules rules rules...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlycomedan...ews_jade.shtml
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Old 14-11-2009, 21:18
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I just don't like Ricky's dancing. He looked like a cockarel strutting tonight. Ricky & Natalie think they are better than they are iykwim
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Old 14-11-2009, 21:21
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Ricky's dance should definitely have been marked lower than Ali's. It was full of mistakes, and although I appreciate that the routine might be difficult, in previous years the idea was clean simple dances rather than overcomplicated messy ones.

Although I quite like Nathalie and Vincent, they were overmarked tonight as well.
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Old 14-11-2009, 21:23
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Alli and Brian made mistakes too but they scored the same as Ricky W. Where are the cries of woe for this great injustice?
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Old 14-11-2009, 21:32
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It's not so complicated.

Ricky W and Ali start on top mark 10 with the judges who deduct points for mistakes from that.

Jade, Laila, possibly Chris and Natalie Cassidy it seems now start on a top of mark of 9 with judges and get points for mistakes deducted from that.

Ricky G and Tuffers start with a top mark of 8 and points deducted from that.

Predecided tariff on technical difficulty or favouritism, depending on your viewpoint.
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Old 14-11-2009, 22:08
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It's not so complicated.

Ricky W and Ali start on top mark 10 with the judges who deduct points for mistakes from that.

Jade, Laila, possibly Chris and Natalie Cassidy it seems now start on a top of mark of 9 with judges and get points for mistakes deducted from that.

Ricky G and Tuffers start with a top mark of 8 and points deducted from that.

Predecided tariff on technical difficulty or favouritism, depending on your viewpoint.
Ali and brian didn't make any mistakes...

But that's my point! Marks aren't being deducted for mistakes with Ricky W. Going on ur reckoning, ricky only lost 1 mark for choreography errors, going out of time and making a mistake... That just doesn't seem right.
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Old 14-11-2009, 22:20
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Ali and brian didn't make any mistakes...

But that's my point! Marks aren't being deducted for mistakes with Ricky W. Going on ur reckoning, ricky only lost 1 mark for choreography errors, going out of time and making a mistake... That just doesn't seem right.
Mistakes and presentational markdowns I should have written. But regardless, the point really is all dancers don't start from the same marking point with the judges.

I didn't say I agreed with the judges marks, only that that was basically how it worked for them. It'll be rare someone breaks out of the tier on the scoring board where the judges have already predecided their technical ability deserves them to be placed.
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Old 14-11-2009, 22:28
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Mistakes and presentational markdowns I should have written. But regardless, the point really is all dancers don't start from the same marking point with the judges.

I didn't say I agreed with the judges marks, only that that was basically how it worked for them. It'll be rare someone breaks out of the tier on the scoring board where the judges have already predecided their technical ability deserves them to be placed.
Yeah you're right.

The judges definitely start with pre-conceived ideas of what they're going to score a dance depending on the couple.
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Old 14-11-2009, 22:44
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It's not so complicated.

Ricky W and Ali start on top mark 10 with the judges who deduct points for mistakes from that.

Jade, Laila, possibly Chris and Natalie Cassidy it seems now start on a top of mark of 9 with judges and get points for mistakes deducted from that.

Ricky G and Tuffers start with a top mark of 8 and points deducted from that.
What makes you think that marks start with some number and the rest is just taking away?

Predecided tariff on technical difficulty or favouritism, depending on your viewpoint.
Mistakes and presentational markdowns I should have written. But regardless, the point really is all dancers don't start from the same marking point with the judges.

I didn't say I agreed with the judges marks, only that that was basically how it worked for them. It'll be rare someone breaks out of the tier on the scoring board where the judges have already predecided their technical ability deserves them to be placed.
In other words, you think marks are based on mistakes, presentation and technical difficulty, but for some mysterious reason you think the technical difficulty part (but not any of the other parts) might equate to favouritism or be predecided.

But if we're going to look at it that odd sort of way, it's the presentation part that most seems to be predecided and to equate to favouritism.
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Old 14-11-2009, 22:55
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In other words, you think marks are based on mistakes, presentation and technical difficulty, but for some mysterious reason you think the technical difficulty part (but not any of the other parts) might equate to favouritism or be predecided.

But if we're going to look at it that odd sort of way, it's the presentation part that most seems to be predecided and to equate to favouritism.
No, presentational aptitude can also be predecided. I think if I ask the judges generally who has the better arms, they'll say Ali. That factors in to her starting on a higher tariff before she dances, just the same as technical difficulty does. And the judges are entitled to make that call if they genuinely believe it.

But if you really want evidence to see that different predecided starting point tariffs are set, it's pretty easy to prove using last week as an example:

Ricky W dances first, makes three pretty glaring errors in a dance on a higher technical/presentational tariff than judges have already decided they're gonna see from others who dance later ... so for all his errors in that routine, they can still find it possible to score him 9. If they hadn't already got a predecided high tariff set for him, and he was in a competition where they knew 7 others at the same starting tariff as him were about to follow, there's no way they can score him 9 for that routine ... cos they have nowhere left to go when judging others on the same starting tariff as him who might follow.

The only way they can give Ricky W a 9 for a routine full of errors when he dances first is because they decide, even with the errors, the rest of what he did will be better than what others do in a faultless routine.

QED.
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Old 14-11-2009, 22:56
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Ricky gets high marks for dancing well. Everyone on Strictly makes some mistakes in almost every routine - but Ricky's general standard of dancing is higher than that of almost all the other celebs.
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Old 15-11-2009, 08:16
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Ricky gets high marks for dancing well. Everyone on Strictly makes some mistakes in almost every routine - but Ricky's general standard of dancing is higher than that of almost all the other celebs.
But ricky makes mistakes week on week and still gets 8s and 9s, that's not right.

Craig always says he compares the dances for that week, which is why he tends to give lower scores. If he starts by giving a 9, he has no where else to go, but 10 for someone who does a better dance.

Which is where the other 3 judges go wrong.
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Old 15-11-2009, 08:42
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I think they are marking him high because the males are so bad this year.
I will probably get slated for this but i cannot take to Ricky W and Natalie C personalities after this show.
They same so false to me. It is probably just me but they do wind me up the wrong way for some reason.
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Old 15-11-2009, 08:48
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But ricky makes mistakes week on week and still gets 8s and 9s, that's not right.

Craig always says he compares the dances for that week, which is why he tends to give lower scores. If he starts by giving a 9, he has no where else to go, but 10 for someone who does a better dance.

Which is where the other 3 judges go wrong.
I think Alesha has a soft spot for Ricky W.
Both single. It happened with Lee Mead and Denise van Outen.
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Old 15-11-2009, 09:01
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I think they are marking him high because the males are so bad this year.
I will probably get slated for this but i cannot take to Ricky W and Natalie C personalities after this show.
They same so false to me. It is probably just me but they do wind me up the wrong way for some reason.
I agree with you. Which is why the high marks he consistently gets for routines with errors really winds me up.
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Old 15-11-2009, 09:04
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I think Natalie C's overmarking annoys me more. I can't warm to Ricky but I do at least see he is an excellent dancer. Natalie on the otherhand I just don't get, her dances get these extraordinary marks that others would only get maybe the late 20s for.
Tis weird!
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