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I lost all respect for Len Goodman when he dumped out Martina in week 1 but now ... |
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I lost all respect for Len Goodman when he dumped out Martina in week 1 but now ...
Phil shouldn't have gone IMO. I'm sick of Len's judgement being the one that sticks. He's had it wrong 3 times now. Simon Cowell doesn't have that power in the X Factor and it's his show!
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Phil shouldn't have gone IMO. I'm sick of Len's judgement being the one that sticks. He's had it wrong 3 times now. Simon Cowell doesn't have that power in the X Factor and it's his show!
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Not just Len but 'honest' Craig too. A cynic might observe they know Phil has done well with the public vote most weeks and this was their only chance to ditch him whereas Erin and Ricky will be expendable next week.
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Ricky & Erin are my faves and I thought they were fab tonight, so glad they got through but I admit that I was shocked. That said, Craig is the judge I listen to the most and he saved R&E so I don't feel I feel they deserved to go through. Phil was very good though and sad to see him go.
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I wasn't surprised to be honest. Len has a 'look' when he's planning to dump out the couple in the lead after Bruno's given his decision. I want to slap him to be honest. I'm gutted
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sorry i dont agree
they were right phil made a big mistake in his dance and they based it on that otherwise wots the point of taking into considertaion all the other weeks they might aswell not have a dance off |
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I felt Ricky and Erin danced better than Phil and Katya in the dance off so for me the result was fair
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Ricky & Erin are my faves and I thought they were fab tonight, so glad they got through but I admit that I was shocked. That said, Craig is the judge I listen to the most and he saved R&E so I don't feel I feel they deserved to go through. Phil was very good though and sad to see him go.
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I think this DO was judged fairly...but the judges chop and change the criteria to suit them...as shown by the recent Ali / Zoe DO.
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sorry i dont agree
they were right phil made a big mistake in his dance and they based it on that otherwise wots the point of taking into considertaion all the other weeks they might aswell not have a dance off |
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Gutted. I can't see Ricky improving much further and I'm guessing he'll be out soon. I think Phil would have had a Gethin moment and continued to refine his great natural movement.
Phil made a mistake, but Ricky's dance wasn't clean either, he skipped and his hold completely collapsed before the end. |
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I think this DO was judged fairly...but the judges chop and change the criteria to suit them...as shown by the recent Ali / Zoe DO.
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I felt Ricky and Erin danced better than Phil and Katya in the dance off so for me the result was fair
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In my opinion the wrong couple were saved, Phil and Katya were better than Ricky& Erin, still i'm sure Ricky(G) won't survive many more weeks.
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Erin and Ricky are my favourites and I do think based on the dance off it was the right choice. But if Phil and Katya hadn't made the mistakes and both couples delivered clean routines then I wouldn't have been surprised if they had stayed in over Ricky and Erin.
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I think this DO was judged fairly...but the judges chop and change the criteria to suit them...as shown by the recent Ali / Zoe DO.
judges leaderboard tonight suggested phil was the better dancer, yet ricky was saved over them, after being in the dance off last week again. Yes I know they have to judge on what they see in the dance off, but how can this be the case when there is no consistency. If its 2-2 then it should go to the public, and NOT len. Its a technicality, and an unfair one!! |
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To be honest, I completely missed Phil's error, but I accept Craig and Len's word that it happened, so I am not disappointed in the result.
As Robert Romarin pointed out though, the judges change the criteria to suit - Zoe performed better in her dance off against Ali for example - and I just wish they would remain consistent. |
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Gutted. I can't see Ricky improving much further and I'm guessing he'll be out soon. I think Phil would have had a Gethin moment and continued to refine his great natural movement.
Phil made a mistake, but Ricky's dance wasn't clean either, he skipped and his hold completely collapsed before the end. |
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If the judges had overlooked Phil's mistakes, then we'd have to question the whole concept of the dance-off.
I'd much rather have seen the back of Ricky Groves, but if he danced clean when it mattered, then I guess he was right to be saved ![]() I wish they'd eliminate the dance-off altogether to be honest. |
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If the judges had overlooked Phil's mistakes, then we'd have to question the whole concept of the dance-off.
I'd much rather have seen the back of Ricky Groves, but if he danced clean when it mattered, then I guess he was right to be saved ![]() I wish they'd eliminate the dance-off altogether to be honest. |
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If the judges had overlooked Phil's mistakes, then we'd have to question the whole concept of the dance-off.
I'd much rather have seen the back of Ricky Groves, but if he danced clean when it mattered, then I guess he was right to be saved ![]() I wish they'd eliminate the dance-off altogether to be honest. |
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I felt Ricky and Erin danced better than Phil and Katya in the dance off so for me the result was fair
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Even though I wanted Phil and Katya to stay, I thought Ricky and Erin gave a more polished performance, although there was very little in it.
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Both made mistakes in the DO and as has been pointed out the judges chop and change their criteria to suit themselves. I agree that the DO is becoming a farce and should be removed with it coming down to the public vote.
We are never given the actual voter figures either and that is a mistake. Tonight once again the judges showed favouritism in their voting and one of these evenings it will come back to bite them with both Ali and Ricky W in the DO. Then they will once again say they were the wrong two and there are worse dancers left. The GBP aren't stupid and do vote on personality as well as dancing and also vote on those who have a "journey" like Natalie. Ali and Ricky W seem to be able to make mistakes and get away with it with high marks. If I could vote, I can't as I live in France, I wouldn't vote for either Ali or Ricky W. Itis Lisa Snowdon all over again and look what happened to her. |
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I think this DO was judged fairly...but the judges chop and change the criteria to suit them...as shown by the recent Ali / Zoe DO.
The rule of the DO works something like this: when it's two couples the judges don't care much about who stays in, follow the guideline and judge it on the DO dancing alone, when one of the two couples in the DO is someone the judges think is generally much better then forget what happens in the DO and go on past performance/potential. The conclusion being a DO is only unpredicatble and worth doing when it contains two couples the judges couldn't care much either way about ... or near the end, two couples the judges do like and rate evenly. |
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