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There should not of been a Dance-off tonight?
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bingoman
14-11-2009
With Jade not Dancing tonight an possibly out of the Compitetion i think there was no need for the Dance-off tonight

They should of gone though tonight just like last year's semi final what does anyone else think
Robert Romarin
14-11-2009
There should never be a DO....EVER.

I would have eliminated Jade and carried forward the scores and votes of the survivors.
Literary Agent
14-11-2009
Apart from thinking that there should never be a dance off, I think that no one should have been eliminated tonight under the circumstances.
Quizmike
14-11-2009
Here's the rules for such an occasion...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlycomedan...ews_jade.shtml
Robert Romarin
14-11-2009
How splendidly reassuring that they're so obviously not making up the 'rules' as they go along.
Quizmike
14-11-2009
Originally Posted by Robert Romarin:
“How splendidly reassuring that they're so obviously not making up the 'rules' as they go along.”

It's exactly the same as they do with DWTS so no they aren't making it up on the fly.

Unless you have insider knowledge?
DavidJames
14-11-2009
Originally Posted by bingoman:
“With Jade not Dancing tonight an possibly out of the Compitetion i think there was no need for the Dance-off tonight

They should of gone though tonight just like last year's semi final what does anyone else think”

Given that we're likely to be 1-2 couples down, then yes, I think a dance-off-free evening might have been better this time round.

On the other hand, that's not fair to all the other couples who competed and worked all this week...
lach doch mal
14-11-2009
Originally Posted by Literary Agent:
“Apart from thinking that there should never be a dance off, I think that no one should have been eliminated tonight under the circumstances.”

I actually agree with you, there were exceptional circumstances tonight.
FM Lover
14-11-2009
My views are that it was mighty suspect that Anton and Leila avoided the dance off even though they were at the bottom of the leader board and failed to complete their dance. If they had of been in the bottom two there was no way they could have danced so would have gone out.

In regard to Jade, as her injury came at the end of her full dress rehearsal which we were told was so good, why didn't they show that, in full and let the judges give their views and scores on that performance?

It wasn't fair on the other contestants that only 7 of the remaining 8 couples danced so therefore had more chance of being in the bottom two.

If Jade is seriously worried about training for her long jump
in January then I don't think she will continue.
Robert Romarin
14-11-2009
Originally Posted by Quizmike:
“It's exactly the same as they do with DWTS so no they aren't making it up on the fly.

Unless you have insider knowledge?”

Who needs 'insider knowledge' with evidence as convincing as that?
Quizmike
14-11-2009
Originally Posted by Robert Romarin:
“Who needs 'insider knowledge' with evidence as convincing as that?”

Evidence?
DavidJames
14-11-2009
Originally Posted by Robert Romarin:
“Who needs 'insider knowledge' with evidence as convincing as that?”

Whilst I'm all in favour of sarcasm - in fact that's my default writing mode - can you explain a little more what you're trying to be sarcastic about?
gig-ge-dy
14-11-2009
I don't know about tonight ... but if Jade has to pull out of the show next week, I think the producers would be wise to skip an elimination from one upcoming show to make sure they get a three couples final. This year really doesn't seem a good year to go down to a two couples final.

They could still keep the phone vote for the show they decided to skip an elimination from and, as someone suggested, carry that over to the week following phone vote scores to decide the public leaderboard that week. Would be a lesser evil than dropping to a two couples final.
bingoman
14-11-2009
Originally Posted by gig-ge-dy:
“I don't know about tonight ... but if Jade has to pull out of the show next week, I think the producers would be wise to skip an elimination from one upcoming show to make sure they get a three couples final. This year really doesn't seem a good year to go down to a two couples final.

They could still keep the phone vote for the show they decided to skip an elimination from and, as someone suggested, carry that over to the week following phone vote scores to decide the public leaderboard that week. Would be a lesser evil than dropping to a two couples final.”

I think they might wait to Semi Final stage before deciding to put three couple through if it come that like what they did last year
Bonnie96
14-11-2009
I don't think there should have been an elimination this week, and tbh I expected there to be an announcement to that effect.
I feel it would have been fairer, as long as Jade and Laila were fit next week, to have the bottom 2 after the phone vote eliminated then instead.
According to the rules though, the previously eliminated couple can be re-instated if a couple have to withdraw so perhaps (fingers crossed it won't be ) if Jade can go no further in the competition, Phil & Katya will be back next week.
As usual we will have to wait and see.
DavidJames
14-11-2009
Originally Posted by FM Lover:
“My views are that it was mighty suspect that Anton and Leila avoided the dance off even though they were at the bottom of the leader board and failed to complete their dance.”

No, I think it was quite likely that they'd get the most votes and avoid the dance-off. I don't see it as suspect, and I'd be amazed if the figures were fiddled - which is what you're implying, yes?

That said:
Originally Posted by FM Lover:
“If they had of been in the bottom two there was no way they could have danced so would have gone out.”

Yes, if they had been in the dance-off it'd have been difficult to see what could have happened. In fact, if that had happened, the other couple in the dance-off would have been in an impossible situation also. Who'd want to dance against someone with an injury?

Originally Posted by FM Lover:
“In regard to Jade, as her injury came at the end of her full dress rehearsal which we were told was so good, why didn't they show that, in full and let the judges give their views and scores on that performance?”

Dunno about judging - but I'd have liked to have seen it.
katrinap
14-11-2009
Originally Posted by FM Lover:
“My views are that it was mighty suspect that Anton and Leila avoided the dance off even though they were at the bottom of the leader board and failed to complete their dance...”

Originally Posted by Robert Romarin:
“Who needs 'insider knowledge' with evidence as convincing as that?”

So one of you is implying the voting results have been rigged, and the other has evidence that the rules are not written in advance, despite DWTS somehow using exactly the same ones.

Are either of you able to back up those claims with anything substantial?
gig-ge-dy
14-11-2009
Originally Posted by bingoman:
“I think they might wait to Semi Final stage before deciding to put three couple through if it come that like what they did last year”

Yep, but they only did that last year because of a mess-up in the scoring system where they hadn't had the brains to work out the arithmetic that Tom would be eliminated no matter how the public voted. Their decision to let all 3 couples go through was cos of error on their part.

I think this year they should make a conscious, predecided and announced decision to skip an elimination one week if Jade has to pull out, and to keep the non-elimination show halfway interesting tell the public phone votes from that show will be carried over to be combined with those from the following week. It's not a great solution, but it's a lot better for them in the long run than a two couples final if Jade does have to scratch.
Eli Crund
14-11-2009
Originally Posted by bingoman:
“With Jade not Dancing tonight an possibly out of the Compitetion i think there was no need for the Dance-off tonight

They should of gone though tonight just like last year's semi final what does anyone else think”


Bingoman,
I see no one else has corrected your grammar so I will.

It's "should not HAVE been" and "should HAVE gone". I don't know how old you are or how many years of state education you HAVE had but I think your teachers should HAVE corrected this. Still, I HAVE done so now. So remember, in future it's "should HAVE" not "should of."

No need to thank me but try to remember.
Fudd
14-11-2009
I think they should've shown Jade's rehearsal and lety the judge's score on that - then if she ended up in the Dance Off, just let the judge's rank from the last performances from each on video. That way the public still would've had a chance to vote on Jade.
DavidJames
14-11-2009
Originally Posted by katrinap:
“So one of you is implying the voting results have been rigged, and the other has evidence that the rules are not written in advance, despite DWTS somehow using exactly the same ones.

Are either of you able to back up those claims with anything substantial?”

Errr.... you do realise we're on DS, right?

"unsubstantiated rumour" is what this forum runs on.
DavidJames
14-11-2009
Originally Posted by Eli Crund:
“Bingoman,
I see no one else has corrected your grammar so I will.”

In this place, trying to correct every poster's grammar mistakes is like trying to correct global warming by lowering the sea level with a teaspoon.
katrinap
14-11-2009
Originally Posted by DavidJames:
“Errr.... you do realise we're on DS, right?

"unsubstantiated rumour" is what this forum runs on. ”

Oops, my mistake! Silly me, always running around looking for facts and straightforward explanations...I'll never learn...<headdesk>

BuddyBontheNet
14-11-2009
Originally Posted by FM Lover:
“My views are that it was mighty suspect that Anton and Leila avoided the dance off even though they were at the bottom of the leader board and failed to complete their dance. If they had of been in the bottom two there was no way they could have danced so would have gone out.

In regard to Jade, as her injury came at the end of her full dress rehearsal which we were told was so good, why didn't they show that, in full and let the judges give their views and scores on that performance?

It wasn't fair on the other contestants that only 7 of the remaining 8 couples danced so therefore had more chance of being in the bottom two.

If Jade is seriously worried about training for her long jump
in January then I don't think she will continue.”

Given that several people on here vote 10 times for Laila and Anton to try and save them from the dance off, it doesn't surprise me at all that they avoided that dance off. I voted three times instead of once for Chris & Ola because I thought Laila would get a large sympathy vote.

I don't think it would be fair to score Jade and Ian (or any couple) on anything other than the performance they give on the live show. There is far more pressure on the live show and anything could happen.

The rules say if a celeb receives medical advice not to dance then they get a pass through to the next week, but that can only be done once. I can't see Jade returning to the show and endangering her athletic career and I wouldn't blame her.

The problem of course, is that leaves us with another two couple final, unless the BBC finally sees sense and has one week with no elimination, with all the scores - the judges' and the public's - being carried forward to the next week.

I live in hope of that happening.
Robert Romarin
14-11-2009
Originally Posted by katrinap:
“So one of you is implying the voting results have been rigged, and the other has evidence that the rules are not written in advance, despite DWTS somehow using exactly the same ones.

Are either of you able to back up those claims with anything substantial?”

Please. As if I would doubt the 'rules' were written in advance...even though, admittedly, I've never seen them.
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