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shefair
16-11-2009
Originally Posted by Fleckerl:
“Yes. It looked a bit sussy to me too. Ironically I have a sprained anke ( fell down stairs last weekend... sounded like a piano coming down!) One thing I couldn't do, even with painkillers, is sit with the affected leg crossed over the good knee, it throbbed too much.
Let's just say she's a decade or two younger than me, and it wasn't as bad a sprain shall we?”

Yes but your not Laila and you dont have the injury that she has ,

If she injured the ligaments attached to the medial malleolus then it owuld have been very comfortable to sit cross legged !
What name??
16-11-2009
We’ve had Tuffers have surgery, Jade pop out her rib and dance on and Ali dance on a bleeding and bruised foot, Ricky W danced through injury this week with no drama - then Laila collapses over a sprain and gets sympathy as her partner dramatically sweeps her of stage…! What the??? Of course the others weren’t’ sympathetic. She was pretending to be plucky whilst others actually have been. If the doctors said it was up to her if she could dance the injury was probably manageable for the whole 1˝ minute of her slow dance. It wasn't as if she was jiving on an injury was it?

Do I think she was hurt? – Yes.

Did she and Anton ham it up for sympathy when their dance went wrong - Yes.
Taitai
16-11-2009
I don't doubt that she was injured.

I suspect she was hamming it up. Not too bothered whether she is or not, tbh.

What I do find interesting - and why I came to this thread - is that the other contestants really don't seem to like her. Like others, I noticed the backstage reaction when L&A were talking to Claudia. It wasn't just Chris, Natalie and Katya who looked completely unsympathetic - Ricky Groves had a completely uninterested poker face on. NO ONE looked sympathetic or supportive. I've just watched it again and this is in contrast to the reactions backstage when other contestants are on. Sure, some (Katya) have a bitch-face on most of the time. But there is usually at least two people watching on looking supportive. This time there was none. It seemed pointed.

This isn't the first time I've noticed it. I noticed it a few weeks ago when Zoe was on. Zoe looked moody and tight-lipped, and she wasn't the only one by far.

So I really do get the impression that Laila isn't liked backstage. I did see Phil put his arm round her on a later part of the show - thought that was him being empathetic in a fatherly way. I'm sure he felt sorry for her. Not only perhaps because she's injured, but because she hasn't done herself any favours by rubbing others up the wrong way.
yenston
16-11-2009
Originally Posted by What name??:
“We’ve had Tuffers have surgery, Jade pop out her rib and dance on and Ali dance on a bleeding and bruised foot, Ricky W danced through injury this week with no drama - then Laila collapses over a sprain and gets sympathy as her partner dramatically sweeps her of stage…! What the??? Of course the others weren’t’ sympathetic. She was pretending to be plucky whilst others actually have been. If the doctors said it was up to her if she could dance the injury was probably manageable for the whole 1˝ minute of her slow dance. It wasn't as if she was jiving on an injury was it?

Do I think she was hurt? – Yes.

Did she and Anton ham it up for sympathy when their dance went wrong - Yes.”

This is my take on it too.

I also agree with other posters that she just isn't liked that much by the other contestants. I always got the feeling Zoe didn't like her that much- there were always those rumours they didn't get on that well on Footballers Wives. Also don't think Natalie Cassidy thinks much of her. Her reaction and face is very interesting when Claudia and Ali are looking at her foot.

The trip to the hospital also puzzles me. We only saw Laila in a car being driven down a street. We didn't actually see her go to hospital or be examined. Normally in cases like this they would have continued filming- certainly her going into the hospital if nothing else.
Lurksalot
16-11-2009
Originally Posted by yenston:
“This is my take on it too.

I also agree with other posters that she just isn't liked that much by the other contestants. I always got the feeling Zoe didn't like her that much- there were always those rumours they didn't get on that well on Footballers Wives. Also don't think Natalie Cassidy thinks much of her. Her reaction and face is very interesting when Claudia and Ali are looking at her foot.

The trip to the hospital also puzzles me. We only saw Laila in a car being driven down a street. We didn't actually see her go to hospital or be examined. Normally in cases like this they would have continued filming- certainly her going into the hospital if nothing else.”

I don't find anything unusual in that. This was a last minute thing, so probably too much hassle for the BBC to get persmission from the hospital, other patients, staff etc

Presumably Phil's treatment was booked well in advance giving the BBC plenty of chance to get permission to film.
Taitai
16-11-2009
I agree, don't see anything odd in them not accompanying Laila to hospital.

Apart from the fact that it would take time to obtain filming permission as Lurksalot said, there is the small matter of it being show day and the show's cameramen being needed to set up to film the programme.
yenston
16-11-2009
Originally Posted by Lurksalot:
“I don't find anything unusual in that. This was a last minute thing, so probably too much hassle for the BBC to get persmission from the hospital, other patients, staff etc

Presumably Phil's treatment was booked well in advance giving the BBC plenty of chance to get permission to film.”

I just remember Colin Jackson injuring himself and going to hospital with Erin and they filmed them going in, him being examined and them leaving I think. Obviously there is only so much you can fit into a VT but I'm just thinking that because the doctor probably said that she was fit to dance including that wouldn't have had as much dramatic effect.
tonydancer
16-11-2009
One. Well there was that unconfirmed story about P-wordgate, which alleged that Laila had used the dreaded Proper Noun herself in jest before Anton did, but he took the flak alone (doubtless also from many of the same posters who are now attacking Laila).

Why should he let that happen instead of the whole story coming out? Well Laila being half-Indian could have expected reactions ranging up to death threats or even worse from a paranoid few. Bloody good reason to keep a lid on it if you ask me.

As I said, this is unconfirmed. But if there's even a grain of truth in it, then from the point of view of some contestants Laila had let Anton get pilloried unjustly. Even if it were explained to them, they wouldn't really understand because they're ignorant of these cultural undercurrents in UK society.
So perhaps for some it was karma, baby, karma.

Two. Or perhaps they were simply wondering if Laila would get a bye to the next round as well as Jade. That would certainly make Natalie, Ricky G and Phil, plus partners, look glum, because the dance-off suddenly loomed. As indeed happened, but thanks to the GBP instead of the competition rules.

Three. Or of course perhaps they were all still reeling from the Jade accident and were wondering if they'd be next, or even if they were looking at a curtailment of the season?

I'm going with my version two. But the mob tendency on here can enjoy the red meat in version one instead.
missfrankiecat
16-11-2009
Originally Posted by tonydancer:
“One. Well there was that unconfirmed story about P-wordgate, which alleged that Laila had used the dreaded Proper Noun herself in jest before Anton did, but he took the flak alone (doubtless also from many of the same posters who are now attacking Laila).

Why should he let that happen instead of the whole story coming out? Well Laila being half-Indian could have expected reactions ranging up to death threats or even worse from a paranoid few. Bloody good reason to keep a lid on it if you ask me.

As I said, this is unconfirmed. But if there's even a grain of truth in it, then from the point of view of some contestants Laila had let Anton get pilloried unjustly. Even if it were explained to them, they wouldn't really understand because they're ignorant of these cultural undercurrents in UK society.
So perhaps for some it was karma, baby, karma.

Two. Or perhaps they were simply wondering if Laila would get a bye to the next round as well as Jade. That would certainly make Natalie, Ricky G and Phil, plus partners, look glum, because the dance-off suddenly loomed. As indeed happened, but thanks to the GBP instead of the competition rules.

Three. Or of course perhaps they were all still reeling from the Jade accident and were wondering if they'd be next, or even if they were looking at a curtailment of the season?

I'm going with my version two. But the mob tendency on here can enjoy the red meat in version one instead.”

All three are perfectly plausible explanations. I suspect we will hear more about number one in the fullness of time. It appears that a number of dancers/celebs/production team were present and the Beeb leaks like a sieve. Number two is an even more plausible immediate explanation. Credit to Tuffers, who ended up the 'victim' of the unfortunate night of accidents, for making an effort to look supportive.
What name??
16-11-2009
Originally Posted by Taitai:
“ NO ONE looked sympathetic or supportive.”

Very few people like to indulge a drama queen and in this case a sportswoman was awaiting news on whether she had a season, and possibly career threatening injury whilst the person who has a SPRAIN and will be better next week is expecting equal sympathy. Maybe some of them who understand what that means i.e. the dancers and sportpeople and those with any sense of perspective or empathy found the hamming it up a bit distasteful in those circumstances .

I don’t think there is anything suspicious about her not being filmed going to the hospital – after all it was just a sprain so there would not be much to see.
Taitai
16-11-2009
tonydancer - But they didn't look 'glum', they looked cynical, unsympathetic and, more pertinently, deliberately not engaging with Laila and Anton as they talked. I don't believe there was any big conspiracy by Laila and Anton, but I would bet that the other contestants don't like her. As I said in an earlier post, I thought this before Saturday night.
chrmshd
16-11-2009
Originally Posted by What name??:
“Very few people like to indulge a drama queen and in this case a sportswoman was awaiting news on whether she had a season, and possibly career threatening injury whilst the person who has a SPRAIN and will be better next week is expecting equal sympathy. Maybe some of them who understand what that means i.e. the dancers and sportpeople and those with any sense of perspective or empathy found the hamming it up a bit distasteful in those circumstances .”

I agree with you. I can see that most did think she was making a big deal out of something that paled in comparison to what Jade was going through.


Originally Posted by Taitai:
“tonydancer - But they didn't look 'glum', they looked cynical, unsympathetic and, more pertinently, deliberately not engaging with Laila and Anton as they talked. I don't believe there was any big conspiracy by Laila and Anton, but I would bet that the other contestants don't like her. As I said in an earlier post, I thought this before Saturday night.”

i've looked back on all the previous shows, everyone has always been supportive towards Laila before this Saturday.
Taitai
16-11-2009
Originally Posted by chrmshd:
“Ii've looked back on all the previous shows, everyone has always been supportive towards Laila before this Saturday.”

I can't remember which show it was, one with Zoe still in, but believe me, there was definitely an unenthusiastic backstage atmosphere for Laila on at least one show before Saturday.
What name??
16-11-2009
Originally Posted by tonydancer:
“One
Why should he let that happen instead of the whole story coming out? Well Laila being half-Indian could have expected reactions ranging up to death threats or even worse from a paranoid few. Bloody good reason to keep a lid on it if you ask me.

As I said, this is unconfirmed. But if there's even a grain of truth in it, then from the point of view of some contestants Laila had let Anton get pilloried unjustly. .”

The fact that she hammed up her injury and is a wuss is not indicative that she deserved to be called a **** by "gentleman" Anton and his cheering squad. It's ridiculous that Anton who is happy to blame his partner for being bad at Latin when he has proved himself for years of benig incapable of teaching a decent Latin routine would suddenly acquire the temprement to sacrifice himself over a total stranger and one of a race and religion that he clearly has issues with.
claire2281
16-11-2009
Originally Posted by What name??:
“If the doctors said it was up to her if she could dance the injury was probably manageable for the whole 1˝ minute of her slow dance. It wasn't as if she was jiving on an injury was it?”

The hip action in the rumba is generated from the feet - it doesn't really matter that it was a slow dance.
chrmshd
16-11-2009
Originally Posted by Taitai:
“I can't remember which show it was, one with Zoe still in, but believe me, there was definitely an unenthusiastic backstage atmosphere for Laila on at least one show before Saturday.”


If Zoe was anti-Laila I don't blame her given Laila very nasty streak towards Zoe at the start of the series. As Zoe wasn't there on Saturday night she clearly didn't influence anything. Whatever the reason was for the cold shoulder from the others on Saturday night it was of Laila and Anton's making.
Taitai
16-11-2009
Originally Posted by chrmshd:
“If Zoe was anti-Laila I don't blame her given Laila very nasty streak towards Zoe at the start of the series. As Zoe wasn't there on Saturday night she clearly didn't influence anything. Whatever the reason was for the cold shoulder from the others on Saturday night it was of Laila and Anton's making.”

Err, I didn't say anything about Zoe influencig things.
I don't know what nasty streak you mean.
IAs I've said repeatedly though, it wasn' just Zoe who, IMO, didn't have much love for Laila a few weeks ago.
DavidJames
16-11-2009
Originally Posted by What name??:
“The fact that she hammed up her injury and is a wuss”

Really? Well, since it's a fact, I assume you have some evidence to back this assertion up?
tenchgirl
16-11-2009
as ive previously posted on this thread, i dont doubt she was injured i just think she exagerated it to get out of a dance she didnt want to do.
gorlagon
16-11-2009
I'd quite cheerfully accept the possibility Laila's as popular as an anthrax-laced envelope - on the other hand, I'd as cheerfully accept the possibility that everyone loves her. How can we possibly know based on ultra analysis of fleeting micro expressions? HD's good, but it ain't THAT good!

I'd quite cheerfully accept that Laila drama queened her injury. On the other hand, I'd quite cheerfully accept that she gritted her teeth and did her absolute best. How can we know? And besides, every single contestant hams up every single event on the show - the producers make them!

Quite how any interpretation adds up to 'cheating' or 'fixing' though, I simply cannot imagine.
Lurksalot
16-11-2009
It is unfortunate for Laila that her sprained ankle happened on the same show as Jade's careeer threatening injury. It does make it appear rather more trivial.

I only saw Katya and (pro) Natalie joking through the interview, perhaps they didn't think it was such a big deal. I didn't notice any eye rolling from the other celebs.

OT: I hate the way they talk and whisper to each other during the interviews - its just so rude. Can't they kep quiet for 2 minutes?
BuddyBontheNet
16-11-2009
Originally Posted by tonydancer:
“Here's my scenario:

In the corridor after getting their marks

"I just can't do that again Anton. If we're in the dance-off we'll have to quit. I'm sorry (tears)"

"Don't worry your little head about it, luvvie" (or similarly patronising expression) "Our fans and the ****s who got Craig into Blackpool will see us right. Then we'll get this seen to and take it a day at a time. Now, better get into make-up and have that eyeshadow fixed. You need more (laughs)"

Later, as their name is called out.

"See, I told you so."

So no conspiracy at all, just rely on Jimbob & Cletus. Simples.”

Originally Posted by tonydancer:
“One. Well there was that unconfirmed story about P-wordgate, which alleged that Laila had used the dreaded Proper Noun herself in jest before Anton did, but he took the flak alone (doubtless also from many of the same posters who are now attacking Laila).

Why should he let that happen instead of the whole story coming out? Well Laila being half-Indian could have expected reactions ranging up to death threats or even worse from a paranoid few. Bloody good reason to keep a lid on it if you ask me.

As I said, this is unconfirmed. But if there's even a grain of truth in it, then from the point of view of some contestants Laila had let Anton get pilloried unjustly. Even if it were explained to them, they wouldn't really understand because they're ignorant of these cultural undercurrents in UK society.
So perhaps for some it was karma, baby, karma.

Two. Or perhaps they were simply wondering if Laila would get a bye to the next round as well as Jade. That would certainly make Natalie, Ricky G and Phil, plus partners, look glum, because the dance-off suddenly loomed. As indeed happened, but thanks to the GBP instead of the competition rules.

Three. Or of course perhaps they were all still reeling from the Jade accident and were wondering if they'd be next, or even if they were looking at a curtailment of the season?

I'm going with my version two. But the mob tendency on here can enjoy the red meat in version one instead.”

I think I love you.
millie3
16-11-2009
What is wrong with everyone that they can't take things at face value and would rather believe that people are lying.
Much as they enjoy the show I'm sure its not worth lying in front of thousands for just to get an extra week. I hope both Jade and Laila will be better for next week as it makes for a better show to have them both in.
What name??
16-11-2009
Originally Posted by DavidJames:
“Really? Well, since it's a fact, I assume you have some evidence to back this assertion up?”

Yes. I witnessed it on live TV and believe the evidence of my own eyes.
Ignazio
16-11-2009
Originally Posted by BruciesToupe:
“ What ever happened to the Blitz spirit..”

Quote:
“I reckon the tears were more about the potential of losing air time and publicity.. its only a b******y tv show get a grip PLEASEEEEEE”

You're right about that - nor is it WW3.
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