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Old 15-11-2009, 00:24
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What has the BBC done with the show tonight?

They must have worked out that over the weeks the people will try harder to keep in the show and people will have some trouble because they are not fully trained for dancing.

So they must have worked out that if someone has to pull out on a night because damage that a dance off would not be needed....

Because many have worked over pain, cuts and operation to keep in the show, even dance half the dance tonight, YET someone that pulled out is given a free week without a dance off and keep in the running to win... IS that fair for ones that are knocked out and others that worked with pain??????

Tonight show should be a free week for all that tried and kept in the show for next week ...

I feel sorry that she hurt her self so bad, but in her sport if she could jump at a championship then she could not come back next week with all her fellow jumpers done the week before?

BIG SHAME ON THE BBC..............
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Old 15-11-2009, 00:31
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The 3-3-1 crisis showed the Beeb to be poor in anticipation and worse in rising to a challenge. They cannot walk and chew gum at the same time unless Price Waterhouse do a millionpound feasibility study for them first.
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Old 15-11-2009, 00:32
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They could've handled it better than they did. It'd be easier if they didn't have the dance off complicating things.

But the most important thing is Jade...I hope she's ok.
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Old 15-11-2009, 00:44
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What has the BBC done with the show tonight?

They must have worked out that over the weeks the people will try harder to keep in the show and people will have some trouble because they are not fully trained for dancing.

So they must have worked out that if someone has to pull out on a night because damage that a dance off would not be needed....

Because many have worked over pain, cuts and operation to keep in the show, even dance half the dance tonight, YET someone that pulled out is given a free week without a dance off and keep in the running to win... IS that fair for ones that are knocked out and others that worked with pain??????

Tonight show should be a free week for all that tried and kept in the show for next week ...

I feel sorry that she hurt her self so bad, but in her sport if she could jump at a championship then she could not come back next week with all her fellow jumpers done the week before?

BIG SHAME ON THE BBC..............
Shame on the BBC for not telling a girl who injured herself in the dress rehearsal that it's hard luck and she's out? On the contrary, had the BBC followed your suggestion I would find it shameful.
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Old 15-11-2009, 00:53
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Shame on the BBC for not telling a girl who injured herself in the dress rehearsal that it's hard luck and she's out? On the contrary, had the BBC followed your suggestion I would find it shameful.
It would have been interesting to see what they would have done to fill the 105 minutes of show if they had booted Jade out for being injured.
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Old 15-11-2009, 00:56
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Shame on the BBC for not telling a girl who injured herself in the dress rehearsal that it's hard luck and she's out? On the contrary, had the BBC followed your suggestion I would find it shameful.
Totally agree. I can't believe the nature of some of these posts regarding Jade's injury, the poor girl was in bits and I would wager that in private SCD is the last thing she's worried about. Could the OP be worried that if she does come back she's a threat to their favourite. If the Beeb had done as suggested by the OP I for one would have sent a very nasty message to the show's producers.
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Old 15-11-2009, 01:04
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Because many have worked over pain, cuts and operation to keep in the show, even dance half the dance tonight, YET someone that pulled out is given a free week without a dance off and keep in the running to win... IS that fair for ones that are knocked out and others that worked with pain??????
Firstly, Jade didn't "pull out", she was instructed by medical professionals that she could not dance. So Jade had no choice. Laila did not get those instructions, so she had a choice.

Is that difference clear to you?

Secondly, what's your proposal? Make an injured person dance (against medical advice)? Or throw out a good contestant immediately, because she received an injury?

If the latter case, what would you propose the BBC showed instead of SCD? Or would you suggest that two people should have been eliminated in this week?

Tonight show should be a free week for all that tried and kept in the show for next week ...
Ah, I see. So people who received injuries should be penalised for receiving injuries?

BIG SHAME ON THE BBC..............
Are you saying it's the BBC's fault that Jade injured herself?
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Old 15-11-2009, 01:16
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As others have said, little else could be done.

I also pretty certain that if they'd asked the other pros and celebs whether they'd be happy giving her a bye into next week, they would have had no problem with it. They're all aware Jade is a good dancer, would have seen her rehearsals and known she deserved to go through either way.
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Old 15-11-2009, 01:51
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Shame on the BBC for not getting her to hospital if she was that hurt not do a dance, just to get a interview for the show. ( just fill in time )


Also I would like to know if someone pulls out for any reason dose this mean that the finale is a week earlier?

Plus I would add that not all is fair that someone is knocked out, when she could have made a mess of her dance and been knocked out tonight.

So if she can not make it back next week will she have a place for the next week after?

And another goes out and she kept in.

Were is the fairness in that ??

It's very said that anyone is hurt at all, but when one man can have a operation one day and dance few days later & girl can have bad foot that bleeds on her dance and even has to dance a dance off. These two did not get a free week off... others too have hurt them self, but still dance.

No real dance competition would allow a dancer to come a week later because of ilness...

Any and all competition should be fair.

WHO are the verifier that looks at all 1,000's of phone calls and adds the numbers in such a little time???
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Old 15-11-2009, 02:03
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Shame on the BBC for not getting her to hospital if she was that hurt not do a dance, just to get a interview for the show. ( just fill in time )


Also I would like to know if someone pulls out for any reason dose this mean that the finale is a week earlier?

Plus I would add that not all is fair that someone is knocked out, when she could have made a mess of her dance and been knocked out tonight.

So if she can not make it back next week will she have a place for the next week after?
And another goes out and she kept in.

Were is the fairness in that ??

It's very said that anyone is hurt at all, but when one man can have a operation one day and dance few days later & girl can have bad foot that bleeds on her dance and even has to dance a dance off. These two did not get a free week off... others too have hurt them self, but still dance.

No real dance competition would allow a dancer to come a week later because of ilness...

Any and all competition should be fair.

WHO are the verifier that looks at all 1,000's of phone calls and adds the numbers in such a little time???

1) I'd lay odds that if Jade can't dance again next week then she will be out. Does that make you happier?

2) As others have mentioned, Jade wasn't given a choice as to whether to dance or not. In Ali (whom I assume you were referring to) and Laila's cases they were able to make a choice as to whether to dance or not and, seemingly, chose to dance. We'll never know what would have happened had they made the decision not to.

3) Strictly isn't a proper dance competition. In a proper dance competition you wouldn't get Darren Gough winning ahead of Zoe Ball and Colin Jackson, nor would you get the likes of Julian Clary and Kate Garraway staying in the show ahead of the likes of Aled Jones and Gaby Logan. And you certainly wouldn't get a John Sergeant situation.
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Old 15-11-2009, 02:04
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Shame on the BBC for not getting her to hospital if she was that hurt not do a dance, just to get a interview for the show. ( just fill in time )


Also I would like to know if someone pulls out for any reason dose this mean that the finale is a week earlier?

Plus I would add that not all is fair that someone is knocked out, when she could have made a mess of her dance and been knocked out tonight.

So if she can not make it back next week will she have a place for the next week after?

And another goes out and she kept in.

Were is the fairness in that ??

It's very said that anyone is hurt at all, but when one man can have a operation one day and dance few days later & girl can have bad foot that bleeds on her dance and even has to dance a dance off. These two did not get a free week off... others too have hurt them self, but still dance.

No real dance competition would allow a dancer to come a week later because of ilness...

Any and all competition should be fair.

WHO are the verifier that looks at all 1,000's of phone calls and adds the numbers in such a little time???
I was about to post a rational response to this post, but in truth I cannot take such rantings seriously.
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Old 15-11-2009, 02:07
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I was about to post a rational response to this post, but in truth I cannot take such rantings seriously.
I probably shouldn't have done either but I've been knocking back the booze and it makes me garrulous...
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Old 15-11-2009, 02:10
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[quote=tvmad-alan;36672162]Shame on the BBC for not getting her to hospital if she was that hurt not do a dance, just to get a interview for the show. ( just fill in time )(/QUOTE)


I too was a bit surprised that Claudia managed to interview Jade before she left for hospital and that she even touched her knee. I was waiting for poor Jade to scream out loudly. Surely Claudia (or whoever told her) could have just shown the footage and then said she is on her way to hospital. Poor Jade looked in complete agony and Ian looked full of shock. Very sensational tonight but at times their personal space seemed to be invaded.
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Old 15-11-2009, 02:13
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I did wonder if they had pre-filmed that interview.
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Old 15-11-2009, 05:07
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I don't think the 'rule' invoked tonight in Jade's favour stands up to scrutiny...especially in view of the consequences for the competition in the event that she has to withdraw anyway.

However it's a bit of no-win situation for the BBC so to accuse them of making a mess is harsh. They made a call...hardly the fairest call for the others and a bit of a cop-out actually...but, however unsatisfactory in some ways, not a totally surprising one in the circumstances.
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Old 15-11-2009, 07:04
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I did wonder if they had pre-filmed that interview.
I assumed that they had and that Jade was in hospital receiving treatment by the time the show began.
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Old 15-11-2009, 07:59
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Get a grip dear. Maybe your name should just be mad Alan and not tvmad Alan.

I agree with the other poster and suggest it is sour grapes. Did your favourite leave? There have been similar incidents in previous shows although rack my brains as hard as poss I can't remember who it was - where the contestant had an injury and missed one week. Let's face it Jade was never going to leave this week.

As another person said and as she said herself she is more concerned about being able to do her day job (training for long jump) in January than a tv enterntainment show.
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Old 15-11-2009, 09:21
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It was clearly stated that the rules allowed an injured dancer one week, but that if she could not dance next week she would be out.
Did anyone else admire Ali for the way that she was pointing out how swollen Laila's ankle was, even though she had to dance twice on her own swollen foot? She clearly didn't want anyone else to have to go through that.
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Old 15-11-2009, 09:31
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Couldn't agree with the OP less. This is an entertainment show, it's not a sports event. I would have hated them to do anything else. I am very doubtful that Jade will be well enough to come back next week and that's what I find so unfair (not anyone's fault obviously but guttingly unfair).

The show had everything thrown at it last night, one presenter off sick and two dancers out of seven injured. Considering that I think they handled things very well.
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Old 15-11-2009, 09:31
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I was about to post a rational response to this post, but in truth I cannot take such rantings seriously.
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Old 15-11-2009, 09:35
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I too was a bit surprised that Claudia managed to interview Jade before she left for hospital and that she even touched her knee.
I think the injured one was covered by her skirt - Claudia touched the bare one.
I assumed that they had and that Jade was in hospital receiving treatment by the time the show began.
Yes, the interview was immediately after it happened (post dress rehearsal) and I presume while they were waiting on the transport.

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Old 15-11-2009, 09:54
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Shame on the BBC for not getting her to hospital if she was that hurt not do a dance, just to get a interview for the show. ( just fill in time )
I think that interview was pre-recorded, wasn't it?


So if she can not make it back next week will she have a place for the next week after?
The rules / information says one week only. So, presumably, not.


And another goes out and she kept in.

Were is the fairness in that ??
Again, are you seriously proposing throwing her out? And if so, again, are you suggesting that the other competitors all get a free pass?

It's very said that anyone is hurt at all, but when one man can have a operation one day and dance few days later & girl can have bad foot that bleeds on her dance and even has to dance a dance off. These two did not get a free week off... others too have hurt them self, but still dance.
Because, of course, all injuries are exactly the same?

WHO are the verifier that looks at all 1,000's of phone calls and adds the numbers in such a little time???
They have these clever mechanical devices, called "Computers" I believe.
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Old 15-11-2009, 10:05
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I don't think the 'rule' invoked tonight in Jade's favour stands up to scrutiny...especially in view of the consequences for the competition in the event that she has to withdraw anyway.

However it's a bit of no-win situation for the BBC so to accuse them of making a mess is harsh. They made a call...hardly the fairest call for the others and a bit of a cop-out actually...but, however unsatisfactory in some ways, not a totally surprising one in the circumstances.
I think the rule of 1 week pass, whilst some may think it's unfair for one reason or other has become the way reality tv competitions operate. Last year in the X Factor Diana was given one week off for laryngitis, in DOI David Seaman (maybe others - I forget) was given a one week pass, and I honestly think most viewers would see last nights pass as the fairest overall outcome under the circumstances.

I agree the BBC had a difficult call to make, but they made the right choice, and don't think it affected the results unduly. At the bottom are Tuffers, Ricky G and possibly Natalie. I think that Laila (and probably Natalie) have a little longer, so whilst it was unfortunate that Jade got the pass I really don't think it affected the outcome either way.

Clearly the BBC were let off the hook a bit by the sympathy vote for Laila, but if she'd had to dance again and couldn't I'm not sure what they would have done - or what would have been percieved as an overall fair situation. Personally, I think that the fairest thing in that situation would have been to have not had a dance off, let everyone get fit, see what happens with Jade (who may be forced to retire) and leave open the possibility for a double eviction / four way final if everyone is fit and stay in.

I wonder if Bruce being ill and not there was the jinx???? Fair play to Tess for having to cope without Bruce, cope with poor old Ronnie who was clearly way out of his depth and to both her and Claudia for holding the show together so well under difficult circumstances.
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Old 15-11-2009, 10:34
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Simple solution and I think fair , someone is injured and can't dance, so no one is eliminated that week. If the person is able to dance the following week then two couples will be eliminated, if the injury is more serious and they are out then just one couple is eliminated as normal. BBC don't seem to have any contingency plans.
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Old 15-11-2009, 10:43
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I was about to post a rational response to this post, but in truth I cannot take such rantings seriously.
I too share your thoughts on that - a rant that is so full of inaccuracies and a blindness to the facts doesn't deserve one.
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