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Ricky W - I'm curious
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Ignazio
18-11-2009
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“I'll have to disagree with you there. I love modest and hard working people, as opposed to arrogant and lazy people. There arent enough modest and hard working people in the world these days.

I like Ricky because he seems like a happy guy, dedicated, hard working, caring and appreciative of others. He seems like a good friend to the other contestants and is obviously well liked by a lot of the SCD professionals - so he must be a nice guy.

Some people cant see past the pecs and the presumed arrogance and try to see the personality that is subtle and not as extroverted as some of the other 'bigger' personalities in the competition.”

Sorry doc - hard working Ricky may be, appreciative of the other celebs and even nice with it - but modest?

I do find modesty and faux humility (ever so 'umble Mr. Goodwin sir) fighting with, not arroganc, but a perceived superiority. However I'm prepared to forgive a lot, because he was the only participant (celeb or pro) to sympathise with Jade last Saturday. Whatever some might think, I believe he was genuine and he scored some brownies points from me.
Fatima502
18-11-2009
Originally Posted by Vic:
“Also that unbuttoning his shirt to his navel even on ITT annoys me no end!! I'm neither interested in his face or his body!”

Exactly, he's been playing the pec card from day 1. You can have too much of a good thing as Austin found when his "guns" backfired.
Ninja Kitty
18-11-2009
Originally Posted by gig-ge-dy:
“He eats babies and pees on the toilet seat, allegedly. His partner Natalie 'Terminator 4' Lowe is a T-X series terminatrix built by Skynet and sent back from 2035 to prevent Ian Waite from winning Strictly with Jade Johnson (she zapped Jade's knee with a laser beam on Saturday from one of those crazy eyes people keep going on about), cos when they win, Ian finds himself so happy that he turns straight, marries Jade and their child grows up to be the One who stops the machines from taking over the world, allegedly.

Oh, and because he only knows two adjectives to describe any dance ... fast or rapid, not allegedly. Could also be some people like other people better, but wouldn't like to go out on a limb on that one.”

Best explanation yet! I believe this utterly.
drbolognaise
18-11-2009
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Sorry doc - hard working Ricky may be, appreciative of the other celebs and even nice with it - but modest?

I do find modesty and faux humility (ever so 'umble Mr. Goodwin sir) fighting with, not arroganc, but a perceived superiority. However I'm prepared to forgive a lot, because he was the only participant (celeb or pro) to sympathise with Jade last Saturday. Whatever some might think, I believe he was genuine and he scored some brownies points from me.”

Hya Ignazio

Ive never understood why people think Ricky W is falsley humble, I just cannot see it. I always think he's quite modest. Look how embarrased he was last week on ITT when they played the VT 'everyone's talking about Ricky' and how suprised he looked when Bruno said he was a potential winner. Ah well, I suppose I will never see it.

But Im glad he's managing to show to some of his non-fans that he can be a nice guy. I was so touched when he said that about Jade and what he wrote about both Jade and Lalia on his blog. I really do think he is misunderstood.

Ah well!
Bigears
18-11-2009
Originally Posted by Viennese Whirl:
“I think Ricky W is this year's Rachel Stevens. In describing my lack of interest in her, I can do no better than nick the words of the great JfW, in the very first post on his fabulous "Musings" thread:

"What is it about Rachel? She's small, sexy and pretty; ticks all the right boxes, dances a treat and yet...there's nothing there, nothing beneath the surface. It's like there was a Rachel-shaped hole in the universe and someone filled it with plastic. Sometimes her mouth moves and noise comes out; no idea what it says."

That is just how I feel about Ricky W: he ticks all the right boxes and yet... somehow, there's nothing there. ”

You have summed what I feel about Ricky W up completely.
Ninja Kitty
18-11-2009
Originally Posted by strictly-comet:
“his pigeon toed feet irritate me no end!!!!”

The set of his lower legs and feet make me think that this is the way he is built (maybe his only physical imperfection - no I don't fancy him just stating the obvious).

I myself have one straight leg and one pigeon toed believe me I wish there was something I could do about it. Guess I'm destined to remain (slightly) twisted.
-Sid-
18-11-2009
I don't find him arrogant or mean.

I think Ricky's a perfectly nice guy.

But devoid of charisma.

Take the 'ask the celebs' section on ITT tonight. He came up with such a lame reply to the 'what do you like on your toast?' question. He tried to be funny and interesting, but it fell flat. Silly example, I know, but just one demonstration of why I can't get excited about the guy.
soulmate61
18-11-2009
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
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I think Ricky's a perfectly nice guy.

But devoid of charisma.
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Surprised no-one has mentioned the obvious, perhaps the forum fems have suppressed this non-PC preference into Freudian denial.

For charisma read hair. Boxers yes, but how many shaven-headed matinee idols have you fancied? How many balding professional dancers have you voted for?
Ignazio
18-11-2009
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“I don't find him arrogant or mean.

I think Ricky's a perfectly nice guy.

But devoid of charisma.

Take the 'ask the celebs' section on ITT tonight. He came up with such a lame reply to the 'what do you like on your toast?' question. He tried to be funny and interesting, but it fell flat. Silly example, I know, but just one demonstration of why I can't get excited about the guy.”

What do you like on your toast?
Simone17
18-11-2009
Originally Posted by Fatima502:
“Exactly, he's been playing the pec card from day 1. You can have too much of a good thing as Austin found when his "guns" backfired.”

He isn't the only celeb to be playing a card, or are they just all being themselves??
peely
18-11-2009
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“What do you like on your toast?”

Cheese or marmite and butter or poached eggs...um...

Ok, I don't dislike Ricky W, and he's a good dancer (albeit with a couple of flaws). However, I find him the most boring celeb left on the show, and I can't imagine being sufficiently enthralled to vote for him.

I still haven't got over the shock of Jade's injury potentially ruining her chances of staying in the competition and Phil leaving. Its a good job I won't be watching SCD this weekend.
carol north
18-11-2009
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“Hya Ignazio

Ive never understood why people think Ricky W is falsley humble, I just cannot see it. I always think he's quite modest. Look how embarrased he was last week on ITT when they played the VT 'everyone's talking about Ricky' and how suprised he looked when Bruno said he was a potential winner. Ah well, I suppose I will never see it.

But Im glad he's managing to show to some of his non-fans that he can be a nice guy. I was so touched when he said that about Jade and what he wrote about both Jade and Lalia on his blog. I really do think he is misunderstood.

Ah well! ”

So agree with you. I think Ricky is quite modest and a really nice guy. Yes he was lovely about Jade last Sat. and he always seems so pleased when the other Celebs do well. Such a shame that people on DS just cannot see any good in him and enjoy his excellent dancing.
Go Ricky!!
peely
18-11-2009
Originally Posted by carol north:
“So agree with you. I think Ricky is quite modest and a really nice guy. Yes he was lovely about Jade last Sat. and he always seems so pleased when the other Celebs do well. Such a shame that people on DS just cannot see any good in him and enjoy his excellent dancing.
Go Ricky!!”

I think most of us do see good in him, and enjoy his dancing. Frankly, if Jade goes, I don't care who wins, so Ricky may as well, being one of the best dancers. On the dancing alone he deserves to win, but I don't feel motivated enough by his personality to vote for him, and it needs both dancing and a spark to make me spend me money.
Starpuss
18-11-2009
Originally Posted by peely:
“I think most of us do see good in him, and enjoy his dancing. Frankly, if Jade goes, I don't care who wins, so Ricky may as well, being one of the best dancers. On the dancing alone he deserves to win, but I don't feel motivated enough by his personality to vote for him, and it needs both dancing and a spark to make me spend me money.”

This is how I feel. I am excited enough by Jade to pick up the phone and vote for her. I would not do the same for Ricky as I am just not that bothered about him. If he wins that will be fine as he is a good dancer but nothing he does prompts me to spend my money keeping him in there.

Having said that I am so glad that Natalie doesn't seem to be doing a 'speed of light' foxtrot AS as was my fear

It actually looked normal speed so I am looking forward to watching it.
Smokeychan1
18-11-2009
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“Its not as cut and dry as that Smokeychan. You cannot deny that there are plenty of hardworking people out there who are likeable and admired for their work ethic. I work in a difficult profession where a hard working attitude is beneficial and not only admired by colleagues but the patients too.





I think your last comment is really unfair and has no basis in fact.

How can you say he went into it with no intention of dedicating the time it needs? How do you profess to know his intentions regarding his training?

Im pretty sure none of the celebs knew what to fully expect when they went on Strictly. He cannot help that he has a full time job where he works long hours both day and night depending on the shooting schedule which he has no say in.

And he puts in as much as he can, which is shown by what he says in his blog and on twitter. He rehearses on his own to perfect his routines, he rehearsed in his dressing rooms in Hollyoaks and has stated he gets caught in the corridors practiscing his routines on twitter.

He's obviously also concerned about the fact he hasnt had as much training hours as he has liked because he stated on his latest blogs that if he gets to the later rounds, he is hoping Hollyoaks can give him some more time off work so he can train more, so hes obviously asked his work to accomodate him here.

So where are you basing that statement? On just the mere fact that he has less training hours some weeks than others? On some weeks he has had similar hours that the others. And he's not the only one who had problems with his training hours, Len stated frequently to Phil that he needed to put more hours in but Phil also had to work, you going to say that's why you didnt like Phil?”

Hi again

Regarding the first part or your reply, I think you and I arent so far apart in our opinions. I still lean more to admiring a good work ethic rather than liking a person because of it, but ofcourse that's a personal thing.

As a real life example, my immediate superiors at work are total opposites. One has a lacksadaisical approach to work, but is hugely compassionate. If you get her on the other end of the phone when you call in sick, she is wont to not log it so you still get paid for your absence. She is also great social company, I like her. The second manager is a bit of a jobs-worth; not only will you get docked sick time, you will have to complete a back to work form even if only off for one day! However, if you need something sorted yesterday, she is your girl

For the second part. Anyone who has watched the show has an idea of the hours that have to be put in each week, potential contestants even more so I would say. Unless you assume that Ricky and others did no research before accepting the contract (in which case that would be lazy in the extreme). I don't assume that.

I think Ricky thought he could do his day job and wing it with the dancing. I base that on sloppy performances week after week with very few exceptions. Ricky is always the one under-rehearsed and as he has so much more potential than the others, it is eternally frustrating to see that potential go unrealised.

For our sakes, I do hope the Hollyoaks production team allow him some leave nearer the final, because with Jade being injured we have the limpest finale to date looming.

EDIT: Agree with Sid too. Vacuous is what comes to mind when I see or hear Ricky.
welwynrose
18-11-2009
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“Hi again

Regarding the first part or your reply, I think you and I arent so far apart in our opinions. I still lean more to admiring a good work ethic rather than liking a person because of it, but ofcourse that's a personal thing.

As a real life example, my immediate superiors at work are total opposites. One has a lacksadaisical approach to work, but is hugely compassionate. If you get her on the other end of the phone when you call in sick, she is wont to not log it so you still get paid for your absence. She is also great social company, I like her. The second manager is a bit of a jobs-worth; not only will you get docked sick time, you will have to complete a back to work form even if only off for one day! However, if you need something sorted yesterday, she is your girl

For the second part. Anyone who has watched the show has an idea of the hours that have to be put in each week, potential contestants even more so I would say. Unless you assume that Ricky and others did no research before accepting the contract (in which case that would be lazy in the extreme). I don't assume that.

I think Ricky thought he could do his day job and wing it with the dancing. I base that on sloppy performances week after week with very few exceptions. Ricky is always the one under-rehearsed and as he has so much more potential than the others, it is eternally frustrating to see that potential go unrealised.

For our sakes, I do hope the Hollyoaks production team allow him some leave nearer the final, because with Jade being injured we have the limpest finale to date looming.

EDIT: Agree with Sid too. Vacuous is what comes to mind when I see or hear Ricky.”

there are others who have put in less training on certain weeks I think it depends on his shooting schedule and storyline how much training he can do and he does train everyday sometimes until the early hours of the morning
drbolognaise
18-11-2009
Smokeychan,

Ricky certainly does his best in the spare time he has and should be commended for his dedication because Welwynrose is right, he does train into the early hours and I cannot see where that shows any sign of laziness.

I dont think he thought he could 'wing it' because (and I know you and many others will disagree with me) I dont think he thought he would get far or turn out to be as good as he is.

He's doing his best. He's rehearsing as much as he can. The only bad thing I can see is that he didnt realise just how much SCD takes over your life. That may have been naive but hardly a crime. He's doing the best he can and has produced performances to the best of his ability in the time available to him. Im sure he is frustrated that he sometimes slips up but I can only think of a handful of his performances can be described as sloppy.

I think perhaps he was so good at the start, people expected him to metamorphose into this top level professional dancer as the weeks went by. He reminds me a lot of Alesha, she was very good and very talented but she still delivered some sloppy routines - forgetting half her Paso and making small but noticeable mistakes in a lot of her routines (her first Cha Cha, her Samba), she showed some sloppy footwork (Samba, Salsa) but she still won and deservedly so.
Smokeychan1
18-11-2009
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“Smokeychan,

Ricky certainly does his best in the spare time he has and should be commended for his dedication because Welwynrose is right, he does train into the early hours and I cannot see where that shows any sign of laziness.

I dont think he thought he could 'wing it' because (and I know you and many others will disagree with me) I dont think he thought he would get far or turn out to be as good as he is.

He's doing his best. He's rehearsing as much as he can. The only bad thing I can see is that he didnt realise just how much SCD takes over your life. That may have been naive but hardly a crime. He's doing the best he can and has produced performances to the best of his ability in the time available to him. Im sure he is frustrated that he sometimes slips up but I can only think of a handful of his performances can be described as sloppy.

I think perhaps he was so good at the start, people expected him to metamorphose into this top level professional dancer as the weeks went by. He reminds me a lot of Alesha, she was very good and very talented but she still delivered some sloppy routines - forgetting half her Paso and making small but noticeable mistakes in a lot of her routines (her first Cha Cha, her Samba), she showed some sloppy footwork (Samba, Salsa) but she still won and deservedly so.”

The lazy comment was only in the context of Ricky not doing his research. I think he would have researched the show, at least to the extent of the amount of hours it would entail and ofcourse to discuss training arrangements. So in that respect, no I don't think he is lazy.

This may surprise you, but I actually removed a comment from my previous post questioning whether Ricky didnt expect to get too far in the show - my sentence was getting too long - so I do agree with you there completely, it is a possibility I have considered.
drbolognaise
18-11-2009
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“.

This may surprise you, but I actually removed a comment from my previous post questioning whether Ricky didnt expect to get too far in the show - my sentence was getting too long - so I do agree with you there completely, it is a possibility I have considered.”

Yay, proving a point I made on another thread that we may not always agree but we can get along quite nicely
Smokeychan1
18-11-2009
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“Yay, proving a point I made on another thread that we may not always agree but we can get along quite nicely ”

Not only get on nicely, but I couldnt help notice you made some positive comments about Ricky's blog today so I may dip back in again at some point.
drbolognaise
18-11-2009
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“Not only get on nicely, but I couldnt help notice you made some positive comments about Ricky's blog today so I may dip back in again at some point.”

Copied and pasted from his blog written on 15/11, as much as his poor spelling, grammar and punctuation irk me, I cant help it, I love it:

Friday 13th Aftermath
Thats what im puttin it down to. Everything went crazy this weekend so im puttin it down to being friday 13th weekend where we all had to be careful!! Big shout out to Jade,hope her injury isnt to bad. Not sure how it works whether shes back next week or not but all i can say is everyone missed out on what was gonna be her best dance yet. She was great in the dress run and had worked so hard all week. It was gonna be her best dance to date and i told her she would top the board,they looked powerful and it really suited her. Its a shame she couldnt perform it as it would have been a great highlight of the show,so get well soon big sis!! Next little lai-lai,poor laila decided to dance on her sprained ankle and did so well to even get down the stairs. I was fit when i did my rhumba in week 1 and i struggled with the physical strains never mind with an injury like she had so well done for tryin and showing what a great competitor you are,i love her and hope she too can recover soon. Think she has a ballroom next so could be a bit better for her ankle wise,no doubt anton will look after either way,he cracks me up(woody from toy story-anyone see that?….yeah now i can see ya thinkin it ha ha,he’ll kill me ha ha_) Sadly the big man tuffers is out…GUTTED!!!! This man has had me in stitches since day one in our group dance to last night. He is funny ,genuine,friendly,helpful and always had a smile on his face and will probably be the biggest miss for me backstage as we were always the naughty kids at the back. Now ive got nobody to blame and will just take all the flak,doh. Its such a shame because i probably had more fun last night than any other show this series. Tuffers,myself,ricky,cassidy had a great time back stage and banter was flowing,such a shame too as his routine was beautiful,gonna miss ya big man!! gonna throw in ‘one of them’ and “dont forget ive got a…’ and hey ‘dont watch the eyes’,,argh gutted,we had a giggle! Jive was fun tho,again not long to rehearse but a bit longer than last week(still less than 10hours),hopefully if i could just get a bit further down the line,hollyoaks have give me a bit more time so fingers crossed i get to later rounds,id have way more hours to play with then i can really let go,so am gonna need help from everyone in the hope that i can pay you back with better performances. But a massive thankyou from everyone that has supported us,it means alot to know that you are still enjoyin what we are tryin to bring to the show,we are workin hard to entertain you guys at home as its you guys that get us through each week.I know that top score can still leave you in the dance off so thankyou to everyone who has voted. Hoping i can pay you back each week by workin even harder in the studios,got a lovely american smooth this week so lift time baby!!!! Wish i hadnt of lost all that weight and bulk now ha ha,cant wait to get started tomoz,anyway,im off to do my homework and scour youtube for dances and study how my technique is supposed to be. man i love this show
Christa
19-11-2009
The requirements for veneration of male contestants on SCD is they must start off a bit rubbish, be shy & quiet like Ramps, geeky like Gethin, goofy like Tom. Someone cluckers feel they have a chance with & could take home to mum.

Ricky is too good-looking, too confident, too good at dancing. He's on a successful if sh*t show. He's been a model. This has previously really applied to female contestants - Rachel, Lisa, Kelly...

Cluckers this year seem to be into Chris which I find bizarre but not surprising as he fits the mould.
fancynancy
19-11-2009
Originally Posted by Christa:
“The requirements for veneration of male contestants on SCD is they must start off a bit rubbish, be shy & quiet like Ramps, geeky like Gethin, goofy like Tom. Someone cluckers feel they have a chance with & could take home to mum.

Ricky is too good-looking, too confident, too good at dancing. He's on a successful if sh*t show. He's been a model. This has previously really applied to female contestants - Rachel, Lisa, Kelly...

Cluckers this year seem to be into Chris which I find bizarre but not surprising as he fits the mould.”

Good dancer? Yes, albeit without soul.

Good looking? That's in the eye of the beholder.

Confident? Are you sure?

And cluckers? Who precisely would they be?
welwynrose
19-11-2009
Originally Posted by Christa:
“The requirements for veneration of male contestants on SCD is they must start off a bit rubbish, be shy & quiet like Ramps, geeky like Gethin, goofy like Tom. Someone cluckers feel they have a chance with & could take home to mum.

Ricky is too good-looking, too confident, too good at dancing. He's on a successful if sh*t show. He's been a model. This has previously really applied to female contestants - Rachel, Lisa, Kelly...

Cluckers this year seem to be into Chris which I find bizarre but not surprising as he fits the mould.”

you forget he's also intelligent was going to be a lawyer and was a promising footballer until his injury
FunkyFoxtrot
19-11-2009
I quite like Ricky W, he seems a likeable enough bloke, and he can dance a bit too. I've noticed when Ricky has been carrying an injury it hasn't been mentioned till after the dance in the Tesspit, unlike some who have to milk their injury before, during and after for all its worth! I can see Ricky in the top 3, perhaps even winning.
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