She seems to be getting based on a couple of things, well 3 actually.

1. She stopped half way through and brokedown (some say it was planned)
2. The reception back in the Claudiapit
3. The fact she wasn't in the dance off

I think it's odd, not massively that people on here cry foul, I'd expect that. But why are the judges getting in on it?

She can't win *wail*

Ah yes because she's had some really low ballroom scores hasn't she??!

I have to say I think she was lucky to get through the jive week but there you are!

I am sure that she will be fine come saturday

Jimmy Tarbuck missed the week of the mens group dance (not scored) and had to withdraw the following week for health reasons, so a precedent was (sort of) set back then.

Like the rest of the judges - Len needs to understand that at the end of the night, the voters, whilst not having the final say, come pretty damned close.

Oh how I love to see the judges, head in hands, gnashing their teeth and wringing their hands as they agonise over their SCD decision.

YesI felt it was aways obvious that Laila should have been given another chance

But he cannot (should not) mark on what could have been. He has to mark and comment on what happened.


That might be true )and Len, as any other judge) should be able to comment upon the public choice (and why not, it's a free society that we all live in) however the word "travesty" gives that statement an air of OTT that should not be there.

Yes. Just like the doctor said the injured Tuffers and Ricky Wittle could dance on their injuries without permanently damaging themselves.

She did have the worse dance. And she stayed in because of the pity vote even thought the person who went in her place was also injured. It is really sad that Tuffers didn’t swoon and get Katya to sweep him up in her arms. It could have worked. I might have voted for him just for the comedy of it.

That is not accurate. Laila could have decided to sit out the week without penalty but because she didn’t that means she still has the option to sit out another week if she judges herself too in pain to perform then or has another injury. That means Laila could technically get two weeeks (well half a dance ths week and next week or another off) over a sprain whereas if Jade doesn't recover from a more serious injury in one week she is out.

They didn't say that on ITT yesterday, the way Claudia worded it was she either danced or left because the doctor had said it wouldn't exacerbate the injury. They didn't say she would have received a bye, that seemingly is only in the case of extreme injury where the doctor will not allow the celeb to perform.

Which might beg the question if something is that serious are they really going to be ok in 7 days?

It was crystal clear. If the doctor says that dancing could cause a long term injury the BBC itself will not let you dance. Which should be bloody obvious as they do have a duty of care to their employees.

If however the doctor says that it is safe to dance even though someone has an injury it is up to the dancer whether they chose to dance on that injury or not. In either case each dancer is allowed 1 week out of the competition for an injury. We know that becasue we saw them repeatedly say that Laila chose to dance eevn though she didn't have to.

Laila did not use her injury week on the sprain because she completed enough of the dance (practically exactly) to count as a full dance so she still has the injury week in reserve ie can sit out another week if she is injured.

In other words Jade is out of the competition if she doesn't compete next week but Laila can sit out next week cos she technically performed last week. And some idiots are claiming this is unfair on Laila who now has the possibility of 2 weeks to recover from a strain whereas Jade has 1 to recover from a dislocated knee!

Katya was clearly of the opinion that the judges don't always mark on performance on the night but bit her tongue before really saying anything.

You might as well argue that Jade was faultless.

Where ever did all this Jade bashing come from? She was clearly badly injured. Can't you feel any sympathy for her? She and Ian were set to perform what looked, in practise, to be the best dance of the night and as an athlete was not in a position to go ahead and possibly ruin her career.

Just thank your stars she didn't dance or even more questions would have been asked...oh no they wouldn't because she's not partnered with Anton I forgot, silly me!!

I don't understand why anyone is getting it in the neck for being injured for what it's worth. Obviously a full doctor's report, pain tolerance tests (if they exist...I know it's a qualitative rather than quantitative experience) and a polygraph should be supplied in future!!!

I think Len can be a tad sexist on occasion and he's miffed that he had to put one of his beloved sportsmen out of the competition. Had I not been watching SCD on a time delay due to putting my daughter to bed I would have voted for Laila - this is the type of thing that the public vote is for to save someone who didn't dance well because of circumstances other than a lack of talent. The judges could only mark what they saw but the public can, do and should consider other factors. I just hope both her and Jade are good to dance next weekend.

Of course you can argue she was faultless...but that wouldn't change anything because I'm not so narrow-minded as to make my assessments based simply on the number of faults.

It's quite silly to suggest I'm 'bashing' Jade...and I've never stated I don't feel any sympathy for her...so stop over-reacting and trying to put words in my keyboard.

It seems to me it's generally accepted that if she doesn't dance on Saturday she goes out...even if her injury situation is unchanged...so I don't buy it that some people don't get my position on this. I'm simply in favour of eliminating her without the one free pass that the so-called 'rules' stipulate.

Hmm..

The doctor of course, earned his medical degree at Sylvia Young's?

Can't see how a doctor could say only Laila was fit to dance, when she obviously wasn't.

These are the exact words that Claudia used

'If a doctor says they cant dance for medical reasons they get a bye through to next week but just for one week and that was what happend in Jade's case. On the other hand if there is an injury, but the doctor tells the celebrity its safe to dance then its up to the celebrity if they want to go ahead, its absolutely their choice and thats what happened to Laila'

This means (to me) that Jade was told she COULD not dance and Laila was told she COULD (and yes a doctor can make that choice) Laila had to dance or be eliminated.....she bravely did and at the end of the day she got through and lives to fight another day. Jade has to come back for Saturday or she is out. The only person who has really lost here is Phil who was eliminated when not all the contestants were dancing perhaps unfairly.

The doctor's opinion would have been that dancing would not make the injury any worse. Whether she could deal with the pain was up to her, much as it was for Ali in her paso week.

Jade, on the other hand, could not dance without causing further damage.

I don't see how those decisions are beyond a doctor's scope. Surely this is what they do all the time when dealing with injuries?

Sorry, but a doctor's opinion is subjective.
He has no way of assessing the amount of pain caused by an injury, or the pain threshold of any particular person.

Medicine is not that exact a science.

But a doctor should be able to tell is standing and putting weight on a leg will exacerbate an injury or not. I did say I don't believe the decision was made on the pain level, purely on whether the act of dancing would cause further damage. I'm not really sure what you are disagreeing with.

The Doctor didn't have to assess the pain Laila did and she clearly felt she could manage enough of the dance- which she did.

Why is this such an issue- she is still there not penalised in any way so I am not sure why it should be such an ongoing issue?

The person likely to miss out is Jade IMO who was very promising at dancing and the long jump and who is going to more disadvantaged in the long run if she can't do her 'day job' anymore.

He X-ray'd it did he.. with his mobile phone?
She could have had a hairline fracture.

The question is "fit to dance"

Obviously Laila wasn't.

Let's agree to disagree, I ain't going to debate it.

No-one can assess 'fit to dance' and the doctor wasn't asked to really- they were asked for a medical opinion on an injury and whether someone would exacerbate an injury if they danced on it.

Jade Johnson earns her living at athletics.
She was limping as she walked away from the dancefloor.
I don't know, but she could have had a partial dislocation which "popped back." Not a lot a doctor can say in that situation.
If she told a doctor it was too painful to continue then the BBC would have accepted that. They aren't looking to possibly "damage the future livelyhood of an Olympic athlete" for a TV show, regardless of the doctor's opinion in the circumstances.