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Jade's website - Injury update!
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zankoku87
17-11-2009
Jade has updated her website with news on her injury here:

http://www.jadejohnson.co.uk/news.asp

She says that she's not going to withdraw until/unless she knows for certain that she won't be able to dance.

However, her physio has told her that she will have to rest for 5 days before she'll be ready, so she's hoping the BBC will let her dance the tango rather than giving her one day to learn the rumba.
calculator
17-11-2009
Fantastic news - this means she's good to go for her athletic training

Even better news would be if she can make it back on Saturday and dance again. I have no preference on either dance, they will have to take what they are given, but nonetheless, the fact that it's very possible they will be back is warming my cockles nicely
StrictlyRed
17-11-2009
Thanks for the link to Jade's website, it was good to read what she has to say.
annie29
17-11-2009
Thanks for the link.

I love Jade dancing and think she has improved so so much and love the partnership with Ian BUT the best news is that she can continue her athlete training.

Hopefully they will be back on saturday dancing (they were sorely missed last week) and if it is the tango i can't wait..have heard soooo much about it we just HAVE to see it.
tonydancer
17-11-2009
I just read that link and found her guts and determination so moving that I had to write her a mail.

Glad I did, because the reward is the usual thank you line - plus three photos of Jade wearing just a union flag bath towel.

Very demure but very sexy
kwscott
17-11-2009
I hope she can dance this week and doesnt have to pull out. If she does dance and hasnt had much training time I dont see a problem with her doing the tango as she hasnt actually danced it on the show
SilverBird
17-11-2009
Well it's certainly encouraging, and she's sure got pluck. They're on ITT tomorrow so we should hear how she's getting on. Hope she can do the tango, but it may have to be modified for low impact.

Calling drbolognaise. Your opinion and explanation would be greatly appreciated. Apparently Jade's got a: "grade two tear of the medial collateral ligament (which is at the back of the knee) with pain being compounded by an angry nerve. The nerve thing certainly adds pain but it is not a serious matter. It's the sort of injury usually obtained through an impact or twist."

Whaddaya reckon doc? Got to say any medical description with the words "ligament" and "tear" in the same sentence sounds pretty alarming.
SliverOfDiamond
17-11-2009
Isn't that a bit dangerous, given it was something in that dance that made her knee pop out?

I think that might be one best avoided.
Psychosis
17-11-2009
Originally Posted by SliverOfDiamond:
“Isn't that a bit dangerous, given it was something in that dance that made her knee pop out?

I think that might be one best avoided.”

In itself the tango should not be causing ligament damage or whatever her problem is. If there was a particular move that caused the issue they can take it out.
zankoku87
17-11-2009
Originally Posted by SliverOfDiamond:
“Isn't that a bit dangerous, given it was something in that dance that made her knee pop out?

I think that might be one best avoided.”

It wasn't the dance itself, it was when she was picked up from her finishing position. All she'd need is a re-choreographed ending, and she should be fine.
CASPER1066
17-11-2009
Her career is more important then the dance.....she should not push herself if she is not fit.
SliverOfDiamond
17-11-2009
Originally Posted by Psychosis:
“In itself the tango should not be causing ligament damage or whatever her problem is. If there was a particular move that caused the issue they can take it out.”

No, a dance shouldn't cause ligament damage, but apparently on this occasion, it did. Let's hope, if she does dance it, that they can correctly identify whatever movement, or series of movements, resulted in the injury and remove it.

If they can't, then surely it's safest not to do it again.
SilverBird
17-11-2009
Originally Posted by SliverOfDiamond:
“Isn't that a bit dangerous, given it was something in that dance that made her knee pop out?

I think that might be one best avoided.”

It was after the dance had finished and Ian was helping her up off the floor. It wasn't even during the dance at all. What cr@p luck!
SliverOfDiamond
17-11-2009
Originally Posted by SilverBird:
“It was after the dance had finished and Ian was helping her up off the floor. It wasn't even during the dance at all. What cr@p luck!”

Assuming it wasn't something that went on the way down and only showed up when she was being helped up.

It does seem very odd that just being helped up from being down on the floor can result in ligament and other damage. Very bad luck indeed.
zankoku87
17-11-2009
Originally Posted by SliverOfDiamond:
“Assuming it wasn't something that went on the way down and only showed up when she was being helped up.

It does seem very odd that just being helped up from being down on the floor can result in ligament and other damage. Very bad luck indeed.”

Didn't she say she heard it go whilst she was being helped up?
fancynancy
17-11-2009
Originally Posted by SilverBird:
“Well it's certainly encouraging, and she's sure got pluck. They're on ITT tomorrow so we should hear how she's getting on. Hope she can do the tango, but it may have to be modified for low impact.

Calling drbolognaise. Your opinion and explanation would be greatly appreciated. Apparently Jade's got a: "grade two tear of the medial collateral ligament (which is at the back of the knee) with pain being compounded by an angry nerve. The nerve thing certainly adds pain but it is not a serious matter. It's the sort of injury usually obtained through an impact or twist."

Whaddaya reckon doc? Got to say any medical description with the words "ligament" and "tear" in the same sentence sounds pretty alarming.”

Here you are - our resident Doc posted earlier in the ITT thread:

Your knee has 4 major ligaments - which are lengths of tissue which attach the thigh bone (femur) to the two bones of the lower leg (tib and fib). Twisting injuries, that Jade has described on her website are the pain common causes for ligament injury and how Jade will have injured her median collateral ligament (which is on the inner aspect of the knee) is likely when she went down into her final position on the floor in the tango. Her leg was obviously in a bent position and when she got up, her knee will have twisted, tearing her MCL.

The treatment is normally what we call conservative - rest and support. Depending on the level of the injury, sometimes they need surgical repair but Jade's sounds like it is only a minimal - though obviously painful - tear. Though they still can take some time to heal and I do worry that she may not be out of the woods yet. I wouldnt want her to do anything aggravating to endanger her fitness for her career.


Thanks, drbolognaise!
SheShe
17-11-2009
I hope she can do the tango. It's not as though she's been practising it this week so I cna't see why not; she won't have had any extra training time over the other dancers.

Maybe we'll learn a bit more when they're on ITT.
Lurksalot
17-11-2009
Thanks for the link. So pleased to hear that its not as serious as originally thought, what good news.

'grade two tear of the medial collateral ligament ' - I've done this as well, this is probably the only thing I will ever have in common with an Olympic athlete!!
Paace
17-11-2009
I do hope she gives her injury full time to heal and forget about taking part next Sat. Jades particular sport must put terrific strain on her knees. I wouldn't like to be in Ian's shoes either and I bet he's worried and seriously thinking how he can choreograph a dance so as to do minimal damage.
katmobile
17-11-2009
Originally Posted by SheShe:
“I hope she can do the tango. It's not as though she's been practising it this week so I cna't see why not; she won't have had any extra training time over the other dancers.

Maybe we'll learn a bit more when they're on ITT.”

I agree and as a Jade fan and an Duranie I really want to see the tango.
gig-ge-dy
17-11-2009
Hope she makes it. Glad to hear her injury isn't as bad as she first thought. Hope they let her do her tango - she won't have had more training for it really than the week she spent preparing last week. But I doubt it really matters. If she turns up on Saturday and performs a badly rehearsed new dance with only 1 or 2 days training, I'd see her getting a good chunk of public vote just for turning up to take her through anyway. Then it'd be business as usual with the public the week after.
drbolognaise
17-11-2009
Im sorry I didnt see this thread early on tonight but Fancynancy has kindly replicated what I had said.

Hope everyone is ok tonight! x
drbolognaise
17-11-2009
[quote=SliverOfDiamond;36731741]Assuming it wasn't something that went on the way down and only showed up when she was being helped up.

It does seem very odd that just being helped up from being down on the floor can result in ligament and other damage. Very bad luck indeed.[/QUOTE]


Like I said, it was likely a positional twisting motion when she got into her final tango position and then the force behind her standing up on that twisted and bent knee will have caused the injury. The MCL is there to ensure the knee isnt bent 'inwards' too much as the knee is a joint that should only move on a flexion/extention basis (ie: back and forth). It has minimal rotation side to side, but an over-rotated knee with the knee facing inward (kind of like being knock-knee'd) and having a force behind it, will cause the damage to that MCL.
SilverBird
17-11-2009
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“Im sorry I didnt see this thread early on tonight but Fancynancy has kindly replicated what I had said.

Hope everyone is ok tonight! x”

Many thanks drbolognaise. I guess she'll make a decision at the end of the week, but like you I hope she doesn't aggravate it by dancing too soon. I'd still be gutted if she's out of Strictly, but it didn't sound like she was ready to give in yet though!
SilverBird
17-11-2009
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“Like I said, it was likely a positional twisting motion when she got into her final tango position and then the force behind her standing up on that twisted and bent knee will have caused the injury. The MCL is there to ensure the knee isnt bent 'inwards' too much as the knee is a joint that should only move on a flexion/extention basis (ie: back and forth). It has minimal rotation side to side, but an over-rotated knee with the knee facing inward (kind of like being knock-knee'd) and having a force behind it, will cause the damage to that MCL.”

Makes me wince just thinking about it.
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