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Jade's website - Injury update!
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bobbla
21-11-2009
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Listening to Zoe ball on R2 this morning, she said that she bumped into Ian Waite last night. She said something to him along the lines of "Come on, you're dragging this one out to build up the tension aren't you ......". She said that Ian said no, it really is a right battle going on between the two physios, and it's likely that it will go down to the wire and that they will only get a firm decision one way or the other just before the show”

Jade has stated she feels fit enough to dance so i would imagine they will still have had time to do some training regardless of when the final decision is made.
Apricot
21-11-2009
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Listening to Zoe ball on R2 this morning, she said that she bumped into Ian Waite last night. She said something to him along the lines of "Come on, you're dragging this one out to build up the tension aren't you ......". She said that Ian said no, it really is a right battle going on between the two physios, and it's likely that it will go down to the wire and that they will only get a firm decision one way or the other just before the show”



This is becoming more bizarre by the second. Trying to look at it objectively, if the medical staff employed by the BBC have assessed the risk and say she's not fit then that should be the end of the story.

It's almost irrelevant if Jade's physio says she's fit - surely he has no professional liability with regard to the show and any possible injuries incurred during the show unlike the BBC employed medics have. Say the BBC's physio backs down today and Jade goes ahead, dances and breaks down - what are the insurance implications etc..?

I don't understand the legal intricacies at all but I'm baffled that this has been allowed to drag on - I really feel for poor Ian in all this
Doghouse Riley
21-11-2009
I can imagine the SCD post production meeting last Monday morning;

"Ratings! Ratings! We're still being slaughtered by X-factor!"

"How about Jedward dancing on SCD?"

"What? Together?"

"Never mind that, this Jade injury is a life-line, whatever the outcome, we must spin it out. If it looks like she's not going to be able to appear on Saturday, drag it out as long as you can."

"She'll get a lot of bad publicity if she leaves it to the last minute and says she can't."

"I've got that covered, we'll say it was our physio who wouldn't let her dance, after all he's on thousands more than any athletics physio, so he'll be able to come up with a better reason."

"But then the BBC will get all the flack!"

"Doesn't matter, we'll put out a 'caring sharing' release saying that the BBC wasn't going to risk the future of a British athlete, for the sake of a TV programme. We'll be heroes and then it'll be old news.
Now I want a good ten minutes about it on IT2 on Friday, plenty of drama, tell Claude to wipe that silly grin of her face and be serious for once, lots of dramatic background music and at the last minute, give the viewers nothing.
We can string it out until Saturday night and we should get a bit of good 'will she? won't she? press coverage on Saturday morning. I love it! I can see a big increase in ratings coming!"

"What about Ian Waite?"

"He'll follow the brief if he wants to be back next year. No need to remind him what can happen when dancers say things like the hours they put in means they could earn more at MacDonalds."

"But supposing she is OK to dance?"

"So she dances! What's that got to do with it?

It's all about 'the journey!'"
Dancing Girl
21-11-2009
I felt sorry for Jade on Saturday night but I do think they are dragging this whole drama of her knee out as a publicity stunt. I cannot believe that on Friday in It Takes Two Jade could not say definitely if she was dancing or not. What are they hoping for? The viewers will switch on in droves to see if Jade can dance? Surely any doc or physio could tell her by FRIDAY whether she should dance or not or if she could have a permanent problem if she does dance. It is a bit like the "romance" between the various professional dancers and their celebs, it wears thin after a while. If Jade has not rehearsed with Ian what kind of a dance can she do anyway or are they allowing her to do the Tango as she could not dance it last week???
Spinaker5
21-11-2009
Originally Posted by KHC22:
“I think she genuinely isn't able to make a decision at the moment. It is perfectly conceivable that the physios are giving her conflicting information, that it is unclear what the nature of the injury is, even that the producers can't decide whether they should allow her to dance her tango or not. These would all be pushing back the decision.

I would really love to see Jade back in the competition - people have said she doesn't have a chance of winning. IMO she has a chance, but regardless of this, I don't think it's her time to leave yet; there are still worse dancers in the competition, and I'd like her to reach her potential rather than have to pull out and never know. Equally, if this will damage her career, I'd like her to pull out for the sake of her future. This is a big decision to take - not surprised it's taking a while!!”

I have to disagree. A decision should have been made by now. If she hasn't danced all week then she shouldn't dance tonight. She hasn't done the rhumba at all so that's no longer an option. A little voice in my head is saying that they are spinning this out so she has to do the tango which I think is unfair on the other competitors. Much as I regret that Jade, who is definitely a front runner, was unfortunate in sustaining this injury, she ought to pull out.
mossy2103
21-11-2009
Originally Posted by Apricot:
“This is becoming more bizarre by the second. Trying to look at it objectively, if the medical staff employed by the BBC have assessed the risk and say she's not fit then that should be the end of the story.

It's almost irrelevant if Jade's physio says she's fit - surely he has no professional liability with regard to the show and any possible injuries incurred during the show unlike the BBC employed medics have. Say the BBC's physio backs down today and Jade goes ahead, dances and breaks down - what are the insurance implications etc..?

I don't understand the legal intricacies at all but I'm baffled that this has been allowed to drag on - I really feel for poor Ian in all this”

Maybe, in view of the conflicting views, the BBC are trying to give every opportunity for the BBC's physio to state that it's now OK. But I do agree, they should have given a clear deadline (say 5pm last night) and the knee reassessed by the BBC at that point, with a final (and non-negotiable) decision taken by the BBC's physio.

In truth, it's bad for Ian, bad for the production team who are not sure which of two (or maybe three) running orders they will be following etc.
BirthdayGirl
21-11-2009
FFS...Its SATURDAY.....the day of the show....and you're telling me they havent made a decision yet?????????

OF COURSE they're spinning it out....she's had no practice all week and if she DOES dance, whats the betting she'll get the SYMPATHY VOTE and then go through to next week!

COME ON PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bobbla
21-11-2009
Doghouse i can picture that whole scenario clearly

To think on last weeks show i felt physically sick at the thought of Jades potentially career threatening injury and skip to a week later and all i did was roll my eyes at ITT yesterday and think ffs. We've all been played so much by the beeb this week i find myself not really caring if she dances or not.
Doghouse Riley
21-11-2009
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“In truth, it's bad for Ian, bad for the production team who are not sure which of two (or maybe three) running orders they will be following etc.”

No, it's only bad for Jade.

Ian's still in a job.

The production team will be rubbing their hands together saying "Ratings! Ratings! Bonuses! Bonuses!"

It's just telly.
Spinaker5
21-11-2009
Originally Posted by BirthdayGirl:
“FFS...Its SATURDAY.....the day of the show....and you're telling me they havent made a decision yet?????????

OF COURSE they're spinning it out....she's had no practice all week and if she DOES dance, whats the betting she'll get the SYMPATHY VOTE and then go through to next week!

COME ON PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

I'm afraid Jade lost my sympathy yesterday when she was saying that she wanted to dance. It no longer should be an option.
Doghouse Riley
21-11-2009
Originally Posted by bobbla:
“Doghouse i can picture that whole scenario clearly

To think on last weeks show i felt physically sick at the thought of Jades potentially career threatening injury and skip to a week later and all i did was roll my eyes at ITT yesterday and think ffs. We've all been played so much by the beeb this week i find myself not really caring if she dances or not.”

Thanks for that.

Some might think me cynical, others might be aware how things "in the real world" actually work.
The BBC don't pay their top programme production people "silly money" for nothing.
claire2281
21-11-2009
I think it's very clear what the situation is...

Jade wants to dance. Her own personal physio who she knows and trusts is saying she will be okay to dance now she has rested it. The BBC physio is erring on the side of caution and saying 'I'm not sure' hence they're saying she shouldn't dance.

Jade doesn't want to take 'no' for an answer, especially when her own physio (who knows her and her sport better) is saying 'yes'.

They're all doing a lot of arguing which is still going on now. In the end, my own opinion is that it should be Jade's choice. I'm sure she's smart enough to listen to the arguments from both sides and as an adult she has the right to make the decision for herself.
BirthdayGirl
21-11-2009
If I were to play devils advocate....say she DOES dance and then halfway through the dance she has to stop.....who's fault would that be? Jade's? The physio's?

She'll then get the sympathy vote as the "poor lamb tried her hardest and fought the pain and agony to entertain the audience but alas her injury has beaten her"

She should just go now. FFS its only a dance/light entertainment programme! And she IS sposed to be training for 2012.

I like SCD but I also like the Olympics...but which one is better? There's only one way to find out.....!!!
Spinaker5
21-11-2009
Originally Posted by claire2281:
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They're all doing a lot of arguing which is still going on now. In the end, my own opinion is that it should be Jade's choice. I'm sure she's smart enough to listen to the arguments from both sides and as an adult she has the right to make the decision for herself.”

If Jade was going to make the decision for herself, she should have made it by now. If she dances we are effectively going to have two dancers playing for the sympathy vote so one of the good dancers who have trained all week will be in the DO. At least Laila has made some effort to train.
bobbla
21-11-2009
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“I think it's very clear what the situation is...

Jade wants to dance. Her own personal physio who she knows and trusts is saying she will be okay to dance now she has rested it. The BBC physio is erring on the side of caution and saying 'I'm not sure' hence they're saying she shouldn't dance.

Jade doesn't want to take 'no' for an answer, especially when her own physio (who knows her and her sport better) is saying 'yes'.

They're all doing a lot of arguing which is still going on now. In the end, my own opinion is that it should be Jade's choice. I'm sure she's smart enough to listen to the arguments from both sides and as an adult she has the right to make the decision for herself.”

I disagree. I don't think it should be Jades choice. The show has a responsibility to Jade thats why they have their own specialist dance physios. They also have to consider the insurance implications of any further injury.

Can you imagine what the insurance company would say if the shows own physio advised against her dancing but they went ahead and let her because she wanted to?
katkim
21-11-2009
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“I think it's very clear what the situation is...

Jade wants to dance. Her own personal physio who she knows and trusts is saying she will be okay to dance now she has rested it. The BBC physio is erring on the side of caution and saying 'I'm not sure' hence they're saying she shouldn't dance.

Jade doesn't want to take 'no' for an answer, especially when her own physio (who knows her and her sport better) is saying 'yes'.

They're all doing a lot of arguing which is still going on now. In the end, my own opinion is that it should be Jade's choice. I'm sure she's smart enough to listen to the arguments from both sides and as an adult she has the right to make the decision for herself.”

I can see this being the situation, especially since we know Jade is competitive and determined (it's probably a basic requirement for athletes particularly at her level!). I can believe 'no' just isn't in her vocab and as with other athletes, it's her team's job (management, trainers, physios etc) to be practical and guide her.

However, I don't think it should be Jade's choice. She admitted that she's stressed, strictly is an emotional experience for all of the contestants and the best of times, and she has the added pressure of not wanting to let Ian and her fans down. At times like these, it's not a matter of being smart enough to listen to arguments of both sides and making the right decision - hearts tend to overrule heads, and in this situation with her fitness and career at stake that might not be the best thing.
Doghouse Riley
21-11-2009
I bet "BBC legal" are now involved, would she be the first dancer to have to sign an "injury disclaimer" before performing a ballroom dance on TV?
Is this to what what family entertainment has come?
bobbla
21-11-2009
Originally Posted by Spinaker5:
“If Jade was going to make the decision for herself, she should have made it by now. If she dances we are effectively going to have two dancers playing for the sympathy vote so one of the good dancers who have trained all week will be in the DO. At least Laila has made some effort to train.”

I must admit i'm not happy about this aspect either. We know that people vote out of sympathy, people have been saying on here that Jade should come out and just let Ian dance around her and they would love it and vote like mad.

One week of sympathy voting/getting a bye is fine but dragging it out over 2 weeks is unfair to the other contestants who've trained hard this week and are potentially going to be kicked out.
BirthdayGirl
21-11-2009
Originally Posted by bobbla:
“I must admit i'm not happy about this aspect either. We know that people vote out of sympathy, people have been saying on here that Jade should come out and just let Ian dance around her and they would love it and vote like mad.

One week of sympathy voting/getting a bye is fine but dragging it out over 2 weeks is unfair to the other contestants who've trained hard this week and are potentially going to be kicked out.”

Hear hear
Xassy
21-11-2009
Originally Posted by bobbla:
“I must admit i'm not happy about this aspect either. We know that people vote out of sympathy, people have been saying on here that Jade should come out and just let Ian dance around her and they would love it and vote like mad.

One week of sympathy voting/getting a bye is fine but dragging it out over 2 weeks is unfair to the other contestants who've trained hard this week and are potentially going to be kicked out.”

It's not Jade's fault though, it's the BBC's.
ESPIONdansant
21-11-2009
Jade should say, "I am fit and I am dancing." If that's what she thinks.

If the BBC pull her from the show at the last minute then OK.

But can someone just make a decision!!!
Bhoy1888
21-11-2009
Originally Posted by ESPIONdansant:
“Jade should say, "I am fit and I am dancing." If that's what she thinks.

If the BBC pull her from the show at the last minute then OK.

But can someone just make a decision!!!”

Oh the excitement the tension its just so gripping this will she or wont she rubbish
ESPIONdansant
21-11-2009
It's pathetic.
Just dance, woman.
Your physio says it's OK.
And if you feel any pain then you can stop.

It's a dancing programme. I wouldn't care if it WAS the bl00dy Olympics. It's still not life or death.

Pathetic.
Doghouse Riley
21-11-2009
Originally Posted by ESPIONdansant:
“Jade should say, "I am fit and I am dancing." If that's what she thinks.

If the BBC pull her from the show at the last minute then OK.

But can someone just make a decision!!!”

What?

and spoil the "surprise?"
The BBC want to make sure you tune in tonight to find out at 6.50pm or whatever.
Why do you think they've perpetuated this nonsense?

The BBC aren't daft (well..not in this instance) they just think we are.
bobbla
21-11-2009
Originally Posted by Xassy:
“It's not Jade's fault though, it's the BBC's.”

No its not Jades fault but its still very unfair on the other contestants.
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