Originally Posted by Starpuss:
“And mine.”
“And mine.”
And mine!
Jade's website - Injury update!
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Originally Posted by midflight:
“I would much rather see Jade perform on Strictly Come Dancing than take part in the 2012 Olympics. Dancing is more fun than sport. Simple as. End Of. BYE!
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“I would much rather see Jade perform on Strictly Come Dancing than take part in the 2012 Olympics. Dancing is more fun than sport. Simple as. End Of. BYE!
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Each to their own. Athletics to me is far better than dancing. I wouldn't pay to watch dancing but regularly pay to go to athletics events.
I think your atitutde is rather odd - wanting someone to possibly jeopardise their livelihood just for your personal gratification.
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Hmm..
But Jade's "dancing career" would be short-lived.
Although she's 29, she possibly has another five years of top-flight athletics in her, if she looks after herself and there's plenty of big money to be earned on the Grand-prix circuit.
We don't even know how long SCD will last.”
“Hmm..
But Jade's "dancing career" would be short-lived.
Although she's 29, she possibly has another five years of top-flight athletics in her, if she looks after herself and there's plenty of big money to be earned on the Grand-prix circuit.
We don't even know how long SCD will last.”
Indeed - but I don't benefit from Jade's moneymaking potential in athletics, whereas I do benefit from watching her dancing, simply by enjoying it!
I wasn't seriously suggesting she should compromise her athletics career for the gratification of those who like her dancing.
Jade would doubtless prefer the earnings potential from athletics - and who would blame her. Mind you, unless you're right at the top, athletics isn't particularly lucrative, whereas a year on the SCD Tour is a nice little earner.
Originally Posted by Three Left Feet:
“Indeed - but I don't benefit from Jade's moneymaking potential in athletics, whereas I do benefit from watching her dancing, simply by enjoying it!
I wasn't seriously suggesting she should compromise her athletics career for the gratification of those who like her dancing.
Jade would doubtless prefer the earnings potential from athletics - and who would blame her. Mind you, unless you're right at the top, athletics isn't particularly lucrative, whereas a year on the SCD Tour is a nice little earner.”
“Indeed - but I don't benefit from Jade's moneymaking potential in athletics, whereas I do benefit from watching her dancing, simply by enjoying it!
I wasn't seriously suggesting she should compromise her athletics career for the gratification of those who like her dancing.
Jade would doubtless prefer the earnings potential from athletics - and who would blame her. Mind you, unless you're right at the top, athletics isn't particularly lucrative, whereas a year on the SCD Tour is a nice little earner.”
It might be a nice little earner, but Jade is a funded athlete and will have signed a contract. Won't be quite so attractive if she is found to be in breach of the contract. She has already taken this year out on funding because she wanted to get fully fit ready for 2012. Wonder what UKA are thinking about her at the moment?
Don't get me wrong, as I have stated on many occasions, I love Jade's dancing but love her long jumping more.
Originally Posted by Starpuss:
“And mine.”
“And mine.”
And mine.
How many opinions do you need before you'll accept it? I can start a petition if you want?
Originally Posted by cubansalsa:
“It might be a nice little earner, but Jade is a funded athlete and will have signed a contract. Won't be quite so attractive if she is found to be in breach of the contract. She has already taken this year out on funding because she wanted to get fully fit ready for 2012. Wonder what UKA are thinking about her at the moment?
Don't get me wrong, as I have stated on many occasions, I love Jade's dancing but love her long jumping more.”
“It might be a nice little earner, but Jade is a funded athlete and will have signed a contract. Won't be quite so attractive if she is found to be in breach of the contract. She has already taken this year out on funding because she wanted to get fully fit ready for 2012. Wonder what UKA are thinking about her at the moment?
Don't get me wrong, as I have stated on many occasions, I love Jade's dancing but love her long jumping more.”
I doubt UKA would force her if she'd had enough of athletics. She could simply retire as an athlete, officially withdraw from the WADA anti-doping programme / register and that would be it.
I take your point though. She's an athlete first and foremost and I'll guess UKA will be issuing "guidelines" soon. Incidentally, it was the risk of injury that did for Superstars in the early 80s. The major names couldn't get permission to compete - I blame Kevin Keegan's crash off his bike for scaring everyone!
Originally Posted by cubansalsa:
“It might be a nice little earner, but Jade is a funded athlete and will have signed a contract. Won't be quite so attractive if she is found to be in breach of the contract. She has already taken this year out on funding because she wanted to get fully fit ready for 2012. Wonder what UKA are thinking about her at the moment?”
“It might be a nice little earner, but Jade is a funded athlete and will have signed a contract. Won't be quite so attractive if she is found to be in breach of the contract. She has already taken this year out on funding because she wanted to get fully fit ready for 2012. Wonder what UKA are thinking about her at the moment?”
There's every chance that whatever she's being paid for this show is already as much as a year's worth of Lottery athletics funding.
As far as I recall, the top level of funding, for those athletes who've made a good showing in major championships, is in the region of £26k a year. As an Olympic finalist, Jade might have been eligible for that sort of cash last year, but she won't be after a year out.
UKA are getting tougher and tougher about who they fund all the time. If I were at the wrong end of my 20s, knowing that 2012 would probably represent one of the last major championships of my career, then I might start wondering how else I could get money to continue my training.
Originally Posted by Lorelei Lee:
“There's every chance that whatever she's being paid for this show is already as much as a year's worth of Lottery athletics funding.
As far as I recall, the top level of funding, for those athletes who've made a good showing in major championships, is in the region of £26k a year. As an Olympic finalist, Jade might have been eligible for that sort of cash last year, but she won't be after a year out.
UKA are getting tougher and tougher about who they fund all the time. If I were at the wrong end of my 20s, knowing that 2012 would probably represent one of the last major championships of my career, then I might start wondering how else I could get money to continue my training.”
“There's every chance that whatever she's being paid for this show is already as much as a year's worth of Lottery athletics funding.
As far as I recall, the top level of funding, for those athletes who've made a good showing in major championships, is in the region of £26k a year. As an Olympic finalist, Jade might have been eligible for that sort of cash last year, but she won't be after a year out.
UKA are getting tougher and tougher about who they fund all the time. If I were at the wrong end of my 20s, knowing that 2012 would probably represent one of the last major championships of my career, then I might start wondering how else I could get money to continue my training.”
Jade has a few good years left in her if she can stay injury free. Athletics is far harder on the body than dancing. There are aleady people screaming for her to be made to repay funding as she's having fun dancing, instead of athletic training which is what she's been paid to do. UKA are a pain in the a*se IMO but CVC doesn't put up with any messing.
Jade is paid to perform in major events, rather than train per se.
If she trains hard and performs badly, she loses her funding, as eligibility is based on performance. If she trains badly but still wins (very unlikely, I'll admit!) she's a hero and keeps her funding.
I wonder if the BBC will introduce a rule to limit training time and complexity of moves (e.g. ban the celeb ladies doing the splits, handstands etc.) to protect the celebs from their own enthusiasm and physical frailties.
If she trains hard and performs badly, she loses her funding, as eligibility is based on performance. If she trains badly but still wins (very unlikely, I'll admit!) she's a hero and keeps her funding.
I wonder if the BBC will introduce a rule to limit training time and complexity of moves (e.g. ban the celeb ladies doing the splits, handstands etc.) to protect the celebs from their own enthusiasm and physical frailties.
Jade could have been out in week one, like Martina. The dancing is keeping her supple and fairly fit, but she is losing muscle.
It will be interesting to find out if her dance training helps her jump technique though, which is an area Jade needed to improve. Timing, co-ordination and control - we've seen Jade improve all of those over the weeks.
It will be interesting to find out if her dance training helps her jump technique though, which is an area Jade needed to improve. Timing, co-ordination and control - we've seen Jade improve all of those over the weeks.
Originally Posted by Three Left Feet:
“Jade is paid to perform in major events, rather than train per se.
If she trains hard and performs badly, she loses her funding, as eligibility is based on performance. If she trains badly but still wins (very unlikely, I'll admit!) she's a hero and keeps her funding.
I wonder if the BBC will introduce a rule to limit training time and complexity of moves (e.g. ban the celeb ladies doing the splits, handstands etc.) to protect the celebs from their own enthusiasm and physical frailties.”
“Jade is paid to perform in major events, rather than train per se.
If she trains hard and performs badly, she loses her funding, as eligibility is based on performance. If she trains badly but still wins (very unlikely, I'll admit!) she's a hero and keeps her funding.
I wonder if the BBC will introduce a rule to limit training time and complexity of moves (e.g. ban the celeb ladies doing the splits, handstands etc.) to protect the celebs from their own enthusiasm and physical frailties.”
She isn't paid to perform in major events. She is funded so that it enables her to devote more time to and have better quality training than if she was having to work and fit training around it. Apparently one ex athlete competitor has said that he thinks UKA will now clamp down on competing funded athletes appearing. Who knows? Let's hope there is no long term repercussions from her injury and that she is doing general conditioning work as well as her dance training.
Originally Posted by fatskia:
“Jade could have been out in week one, like Martina. The dancing is keeping her supple and fairly fit, but she is losing muscle.
It will be interesting to find out if her dance training helps her jump technique though, which is an area Jade needed to improve. Timing, co-ordination and control - we've seen Jade improve all of those over the weeks.”
“Jade could have been out in week one, like Martina. The dancing is keeping her supple and fairly fit, but she is losing muscle.
It will be interesting to find out if her dance training helps her jump technique though, which is an area Jade needed to improve. Timing, co-ordination and control - we've seen Jade improve all of those over the weeks.”
Every time I've seen Jade compete she's struck me as a great big, pent up ball of power & aggression - to my eyes, she's always had a slightly staccato look about her. Watching her makes my jaw go ever so slightly tight!
I was hoping that dancing could help with her flow - which, thinking about it, is pretty much what you're saying, I think.
She's not paid in the conventional sense. Athletes qualify for funding for the year based on what they achieved in the previous year.
In general, though, I guess UKA (and the public) have certain expectations about what their funded athletes will or won't do during the year, expectations that may well change as a result of "Jadegate"!
In general, though, I guess UKA (and the public) have certain expectations about what their funded athletes will or won't do during the year, expectations that may well change as a result of "Jadegate"!
Athletes are paid purely on performance-related guidelines - if they don't perform they don't get the cash. Because of Team GB's poor showing in recent years, only a handful of athletes are getting the full whack now. These privileged few are those who have won medals and/or made finals at the World Championships this year, plus some of the Olympic competitors who did the same but have not reached those standards this year.
The full whack of £26k is not exactly a lot when you factor in having to fund your own equipment, travel etc - they're probably a lot worse off than me on my £23k or so. And that's for those on the top whack. Imagine trying to keep up a full daily training schedule when you're on the lower levels of funding.
Admittedly the long jumpers can keep going til their early 30s without too much bother, but still, if I were UKA, I wouldn't regard Jade as a particularly good investment at this point.
All the more reason for her to keep motivated for her own sake, I guess. 2012 will certainly be her last Olympics and it's a long way off yet.
The full whack of £26k is not exactly a lot when you factor in having to fund your own equipment, travel etc - they're probably a lot worse off than me on my £23k or so. And that's for those on the top whack. Imagine trying to keep up a full daily training schedule when you're on the lower levels of funding.
Admittedly the long jumpers can keep going til their early 30s without too much bother, but still, if I were UKA, I wouldn't regard Jade as a particularly good investment at this point.
All the more reason for her to keep motivated for her own sake, I guess. 2012 will certainly be her last Olympics and it's a long way off yet.
Originally Posted by Three Left Feet:
“She's not paid in the conventional sense. Athletes qualify for funding for the year based on what they achieved in the previous year.
In general, though, I guess UKA (and the public) have certain expectations about what their funded athletes will or won't do during the year, expectations that may well change as a result of "Jadegate"!”
“She's not paid in the conventional sense. Athletes qualify for funding for the year based on what they achieved in the previous year.
In general, though, I guess UKA (and the public) have certain expectations about what their funded athletes will or won't do during the year, expectations that may well change as a result of "Jadegate"!”
Given that she took last year out to get competely fit for 2012 she's fotunate to have got funding again for next year. UKA do have expectations and a certain section of the great british public think they are funding the athletes out of their own pockets and get very uptight when things like this happen.
It takes all sorts lol.Going now as my athlete has just come back from physio and I have a rather fed up son to talk to
Originally Posted by cubansalsa:
“Given that she took last year out to get competely fit for 2012 she's fotunate to have got funding again for next year. UKA do have expectations and a certain section of the great british public think they are funding the athletes out of their own pockets and get very uptight when things like this happen. It takes all sorts lol.
Going now as my athlete has just come back from physio and I have a rather fed up son to talk to”
“Given that she took last year out to get competely fit for 2012 she's fotunate to have got funding again for next year. UKA do have expectations and a certain section of the great british public think they are funding the athletes out of their own pockets and get very uptight when things like this happen.
It takes all sorts lol.Going now as my athlete has just come back from physio and I have a rather fed up son to talk to
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Is he an athlete we'd know, may I ask?
Originally Posted by fancynancy:
“Every time I've seen Jade compete she's struck me as a great big, pent up ball of power & aggression - to my eyes, she's always had a slightly staccato look about her. Watching her makes my jaw go ever so slightly tight!
I was hoping that dancing could help with her flow - which, thinking about it, is pretty much what you're saying, I think.”
“Every time I've seen Jade compete she's struck me as a great big, pent up ball of power & aggression - to my eyes, she's always had a slightly staccato look about her. Watching her makes my jaw go ever so slightly tight!
I was hoping that dancing could help with her flow - which, thinking about it, is pretty much what you're saying, I think.
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I would assume also, that the UKA doesn't object to athletes taking on a part-time job to supplement their income. No-one is going to be able to train and live solely on the funding. Jade has taken on a part-time job.
Originally Posted by cubansalsa:
“Given that she took last year out to get competely fit for 2012 she's fotunate to have got funding again for next year.”
“Given that she took last year out to get competely fit for 2012 she's fotunate to have got funding again for next year.”
Indeed.
I'd only considered athletes (of all sorts) competiting in SCD based on availability, which rules out active footballer and rugby players for a start.
I'd never considered the injury aspect - Having suffered no worse than a bruised ego for my "dancing" exploits to date, it never occurred to me that proper dancing could be so debilitating.
Originally Posted by fatskia:
“I would assume also, that the UKA doesn't object to athletes taking on a part-time job to supplement their income. No-one is going to be able to train and live solely on the funding. Jade has taken on a part-time job.”
“I would assume also, that the UKA doesn't object to athletes taking on a part-time job to supplement their income. No-one is going to be able to train and live solely on the funding. Jade has taken on a part-time job.”
Not even a part time one - more like a temp position!
Sorry to interrupt - the Official BBC Twitter just got back to me re: Jade -
"There won't be a definite decision taken until tomorrow about whether Jade will be able to dance on Saturday, sadly..."
Cutting it fine, then!
"There won't be a definite decision taken until tomorrow about whether Jade will be able to dance on Saturday, sadly..."
Cutting it fine, then!
Originally Posted by Bhoy1888:
“In your opinion?”
“In your opinion?”
Mine too.
Reading back the posts, seems like an awful lot of people are in agreement with Ignazio.
Originally Posted by Lorelei Lee:
“Athletes are paid purely on performance-related guidelines - if they don't perform they don't get the cash. Because of Team GB's poor showing in recent years, only a handful of athletes are getting the full whack now. These privileged few are those who have won medals and/or made finals at the World Championships this year, plus some of the Olympic competitors who did the same but have not reached those standards this year.
The full whack of £26k is not exactly a lot when you factor in having to fund your own equipment, travel etc - they're probably a lot worse off than me on my £23k or so. And that's for those on the top whack. Imagine trying to keep up a full daily training schedule when you're on the lower levels of funding.
Admittedly the long jumpers can keep going til their early 30s without too much bother, but still, if I were UKA, I wouldn't regard Jade as a particularly good investment at this point.
All the more reason for her to keep motivated for her own sake, I guess. 2012 will certainly be her last Olympics and it's a long way off yet.”
“Athletes are paid purely on performance-related guidelines - if they don't perform they don't get the cash. Because of Team GB's poor showing in recent years, only a handful of athletes are getting the full whack now. These privileged few are those who have won medals and/or made finals at the World Championships this year, plus some of the Olympic competitors who did the same but have not reached those standards this year.
The full whack of £26k is not exactly a lot when you factor in having to fund your own equipment, travel etc - they're probably a lot worse off than me on my £23k or so. And that's for those on the top whack. Imagine trying to keep up a full daily training schedule when you're on the lower levels of funding.
Admittedly the long jumpers can keep going til their early 30s without too much bother, but still, if I were UKA, I wouldn't regard Jade as a particularly good investment at this point.
All the more reason for her to keep motivated for her own sake, I guess. 2012 will certainly be her last Olympics and it's a long way off yet.”
I don't think there's anything stopping Jade entering the several Grand Prix events held around Europe which are rarely seen on free to air TV. Athletes of her standing will get appearance and substantial prize money.
She's likely to earn more there than from dancing.
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