OK first I am only starting a new thread on this because I seem to be getting bogged down in this issue over about 4 threads now

So here's my point

I for one don't think Jade feigned injury and I also don't think she has broke any rules.
All I am trying to point out is that from someone whose place at the January games was in serous doubt one minute to be able to dance
a week later to me seem like a minor miracle.Surly if the injury was that bad she would not risk her professional career

Poor Laila had to go out and basically put herself at the bottom of the leaderboard as it was always going to be impossible
that she was even going to dance anything other than the worst dance of the night whilst injured.Even if she had finished 2nd Bottom
with the combined scores she was always going to be out as she was never going to win a dance off.After seeing her on IT2 today
she is still injured and has had no more than 1 Hour of training this week so far

Now at the same time Jade is struck down with an injury that is so bad she cant dance on and get a rest form her injury, a bye to the next
round whilst Laila gets nothing.

It seems to me that Laila is being penalised here for not making as big a meal of her injury as Jade did. Surely this is unfair.I had a degree of
sympathy last week when I like the rest of you thought she had done some serous damage but now I am wondering how serous this injury was
that she seems to be making this miraculous type comeback next week

Agree or Disagree anyone?

PS Its only my opinion so please just give your's without resorting to personal insults as some seem to have done before on other threads

Disagree.

It's nothing to do with Laila making "less of a meal" of her injury. The fact is that if she danced THAT DAY, Jade would have risked causing extra damage to her leg (and effectively ending her career). On the other hand Laila would not have done.

We don't know whether or not Jade will be able to dance. The BBC haven't said she can yet, and her physio (who she has said is more optimistic than the BBC doctors) say she will need at least five days off before she can train - which would give her Friday to learn a new dance. I don't call that an unfair advantage, even if the BBC relent and give her the tango. Furthermore, it's hardly a minor miracle either - even if her physio thinks she's OK, she would still have to convince the BBC's medical staff that she can go on without damaging her leg further - and these are, in her words "specialist in matters of dance injury".

It is at best touch-and-go as to whether Jade will dance this weekend - don't try painting it as a miraculous recovery.

Jade is not confirmed as coming back - indeed it's doubtful she will.

Disagree.

It still isn't clear how bad Jade's injury is.

She was told specifically not to dance last Saturday: Laila wasn't. Laila therefore didn't qualify for a bye under the rules: Jade did.

Jade gets a bye for one week only under the rules.

There's a lot more but I'll settle for those few simple facts at the moment.

This is what I think is unfair.Laila obviously was fit enough to get on the dance floor and walk around butt clearly she wasn't fit enough to produce any dance of any note.

Either both get a bye or none

What's unfair about it if the medical advice they received was completely different?

Laila was told she was fit enough to dance.

Jade was told she was not fit enough to dance.

I am not sure why people are finding this hard to understand

She was given a choice.

She was told that it would be painful but that she wouldn't damage her ankle further. She's said herself that she pretty much knew she wouldn't get through it. She still chose to dance. It's commendable, but she was in a different situation to Jade who could have damaged her knee irreparably by dancing. Having seen Jade's reaction I rather get the impression that had she been allowed to dance through the pain, she would have done too.

Oh for pete's sake Bhoy, give it a rest. No one agrees with you. What you cant seem to appreciate is:

1. Jade HASNT been given the go-ahead to dance yet on saturday. They are taking it day by day. If you think it is a minor miracle that she would be able to dance then read up on Medial Collateral Ligament tears and their various grades (hers is Grade II) and then get back to us and see if you can change your mind.

2. The Doctors didnt know what exactly Jade had done to her knee immediately. It would have been diagnosed the next day on an MRI scan. As a qualified Doctor myself, I would have imagined she would have been assessed clinically on Saturday and any Doctor worth their salt, especially those well qualified in dance injuries would have advised a future Olympic Athlete to not risk her career and dance on what could have been a worser injury which wouldnt have been officially excluded until the next day on an MRI scan (which are not as easily available as simple X rays's as Laila's investigation was because they are far more detailed and required in knee injuries)

3. Laila made a big enough meal of it on the dance floor. However, her injury isnt as serious and doesnt have the potential for long term consequences as Jade's did. It was repeated many times on saturday that Laila was told by the Doctors she could dance on it and Jade was told she couldnt. So basically, if you have such a bloody issue with Jade being 'given a bye' then I suggest you contact the Doctors who are clinically trained to assess injuries and complain to them rather than clog up the forum with multiple threads over the 'unfairness of it all'.

4. You are getting personal insults because you have suggested that Jade faked her injury or actually deliberately caused her injury to get out of dancing.

Not only is that a really spiteful thing to say, it was a completely pointless and cynical thing to say. Accusing an Olympic athlete of causing a potentially career-threatening injury to herself to get out of a dance which was said by many professionals to be the dance of the night is patently ridiculous.

Take a step back and realise what you are saying Bhoy. There is no logic to your argument, just pointless pettiness.

Honestly, you should be ashamed of yourself of your behaviour on this forum. You are of course allowed to post your opinion on here like everyone else does, but take notice that the people on here generally post logical and reasoned discussions on here. I have disagreed with many people on here over my support for Ricky Whittle, but Ive not fallen out with any of them because we agree to disagree, we are respectful towards each other and mostly respectful to the other celebs.

If someone posts something that is proven by another FM to be erroneous then normally that person is decent and logical enough to see the point made, whether they concede or not.

Finally, Your petty suggestions have been proven to be wrong tonight on the forum and you refuse to accept this. I dont know why you choose to do this and dont know why you keep posting such things on here. I can only assume it because you want to wind people up, which is obviously the epitome of maturity.

Its a shame you feel the need to use the forum this way. If you used it the way it should be - for logical and reasoned debate - then I imagine you would enjoy it on here more than just trolling.

Did you see ITT tonight Bhoy? Laila was given the all clear to dance yet said a doctor told her she wouldnt make it through the routine. I'm calling BS

PS: This is really a continuation of your previous thread re: Jade and her injury. You should have them merged, or better yet stick to one thread. No need to open a new one just because you go off on a slight tangent.

It might be better if he stopped posting about it completely.

Put it this way, McGeady and Caldwell are involved in a tackle.
McGeady incurs a hamstring injury and Caldwell skins his knees.
Do you substitute both, let both carry on or have a different way of dealing with each injury?

(Actually, I don't even know why I'm bothering )

If I could applaud drbolognaise, I would. Brilliant post.

Bhoy, as many people have also pointed out on other threads, you can't honestly imply that this whole incident was a "plan" on Jade's part to get a week off. Your words: "her plan worked...a rest week to recharge the batteries".

Your idea is even more ridiculous when you consider that many of her fellow competitors have stated how brilliant Jade's tango was, and Jade and Ian were really looking forward to it. To not perform an amazing routine, and to then lose out on valuable training time is hardly a great plan.

And no, Jade isn't getting an unfair advantage. At the time of Saturday's show, Jade was told not to dance, while Laila was told that she could. If you have a problem with that, maybe you should be arguing with the doctors who made those decisions...

The thread starter has to be a windup merchant?

Seconded.

*blushes*

Why even look at a thread if you know it will wind you up? I guess some people love a bit of righteous indignation.

To whom are you referring?

Yup, qwerty, if you are referring to me let me tell you Bhoy hasnt wound me up one bit. Ive rather enjoyed proving Bhoy's nasty little comments wrong time and time again tonight and the fact he refuses to reply to any of my posts makes it all the more delicious... Not indignant, but certainly righteous!

More than his Melody's Unchained I reckon
(Like it? )

..... and that's my problem with the whole Jade scenario

As a serious medal contender for the Olympics, I would have assumed that no matter how much she wanted to continue on SCD, she would put her career first, withdraw and concentrate on getting back to full fitness.

Much as I hate to say it, this "will she/won't she" nonsense is making me rather cynical .....

*round of applause* Loving your work Bonnie!

However Ally, she's taking it day by day and seeing how her injury heals. I mean, whats to say that with expert physio and guidance she is able to dance on it without long term damage which is a possibility, I dont blame her for hoping for the best but the thing is, she immediately thought of her career as soon as she injured herself.

You musnt forget, she hasnt made an announcement either way, because she is still being assessed on the extent of her injury and how it will affect her short and long term.

These things dont have a formal solution in just a few days, they need time and further assessment before a final decision is made. That's the nature of medicine, its not always simple and I do think people tend to forget that occasionally.

Give it a chance and see what happens. I for one dont think she will be coming back but if she does, its after multiple consultations with medical and physio experts and I think Joe Public should be happy to accept that.

I don't know if it helps at all, but I think she's tried to explain that on her website:

I don't see it as her wanting to continue on SCD per se but more the competitive side of her 'makeup' not wanting to give up.
She will want to give anything she does her best shot but in the end, if the physios say 'no' then no it will be.