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Old 20-11-2009, 00:33
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If Jade can dance this week her injury was not that bad andshe has made a mountin out of a molehold !And now you are saying how do I know that - three weeks ago I slipped in morrisons and my knee went under me - my knee popped but went back in again but I am still using a crutch as I can't walk easily let alone dance. I think leila had raw deal
Right. And I suppose that you know that Jade's injury and your injury were the same? And you had the same physio as Jade?

Let's bear in mind that we don't even know if Jade will be able to dance yet. Even if she can she might limp all the way through it.

I don't think Laila got a raw deal at all. She went to the hospital, had x rays, and was told she risked no further injury to herself if she danced - but it would be painful. She then MADE THE DECISION to dance anyway.

On the other hand Jade was injured closer to show time and could not be taken to hospital for diagnosis. The on-site medical staff did preliminary examinations and determined that should she dance, she risked causing further damage to her knee (and it's also worth remembering at this point that a severe knee injury could end Jade's career). She was not given the option. Later, an MRI scan confirmed that she had a grade two tear of the medial collateral ligament. Her physio thought that she would be able to go again after five day's rest - which would make it tomorrow.

I seriously don't understand how Laila got a bad deal here. Nor do I understand why anecdotal evidence of what could be a completely different injury is meant to convince me otherwise.
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Old 20-11-2009, 08:55
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There is a very simple solution to this.

IF Jade comes back (and I dont think thats by any means a certainty) and you are not happy that she got a bye last week then DONT VOTE FOR HER.

If you think Laila got a rough deal then VOTE FOR HER Its a simple as that.
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Old 20-11-2009, 09:20
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If you think Laila got a rough deal then VOTE FOR HER Its a simple as that.
Blimey... that must be the smoothest "rough deal" I've ever seen!

Also it now turns out Anton picking her up was actually rehearsed & not spontaneous as most people (including romantic old me thought Ah well...
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Old 20-11-2009, 09:41
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I thought you enjoyed our debates on here mimi
TBH it's a bit like trying to have a conversation with a group of adults, then a 5 year old barges in yelling "look at me, look at me".

Then shouts "Bottom!" just to try and get a reaction.


Sweet at first but rapidly becomes tiresome.
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Old 20-11-2009, 09:46
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Blimey... that must be the smoothest "rough deal" I've ever seen!

Also it now turns out Anton picking her up was actually rehearsed & not spontaneous as most people (including romantic old me thought Ah well...
TBH it's a bit like trying to have a conversation with a group of adults, then a 5 year old barges in yelling "look at me, look at me".

Then shouts "Bottom!" just to try and get a reaction.


Sweet at first but rapidly becomes tiresome.
Midflight- I have been out of the loop this week- is that true about Anton and Laila and it all being prearranged?? Yes it was the easiest rough beal ever and I am sure that the waltz will be perfect for them this week!

Mimi- just spat my coffee over the keyboard- thanks!! Sums up most people's thoughts I think!
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Old 20-11-2009, 09:53
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TBH it's a bit like trying to have a conversation with a group of adults, then a 5 year old barges in yelling "look at me, look at me".

Then shouts "Bottom!" just to try and get a reaction.


Sweet at first but rapidly becomes tiresome.
Thank you for brightening up a very wet morning , made me laugh out loud . And so very true .
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Old 20-11-2009, 11:01
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TBH it's a bit like trying to have a conversation with a group of adults, then a 5 year old barges in yelling "look at me, look at me".

Then shouts "Bottom!" just to try and get a reaction.


Sweet at first but rapidly becomes tiresome.
You're on form this morning!
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Old 20-11-2009, 12:16
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OK first I am only starting a new thread on this because I seem to be getting bogged down in this issue over about 4 threads now

So here's my point

I for one don't think Jade feigned injury and I also don't think she has broke any rules.
All I am trying to point out is that from someone whose place at the January games was in serous doubt one minute to be able to dance
a week later to me seem like a minor miracle.Surly if the injury was that bad she would not risk her professional career

Poor Laila had to go out and basically put herself at the bottom of the leaderboard as it was always going to be impossible
that she was even going to dance anything other than the worst dance of the night whilst injured.Even if she had finished 2nd Bottom
with the combined scores she was always going to be out as she was never going to win a dance off.After seeing her on IT2 today
she is still injured and has had no more than 1 Hour of training this week so far

Now at the same time Jade is struck down with an injury that is so bad she cant dance on and get a rest form her injury, a bye to the next
round whilst Laila gets nothing.

It seems to me that Laila is being penalised here for not making as big a meal of her injury as Jade did. Surely this is unfair.I had a degree of
sympathy last week when I like the rest of you thought she had done some serous damage but now I am wondering how serous this injury was
that she seems to be making this miraculous type comeback next week

Agree or Disagree anyone?

PS Its only my opinion so please just give your's without resorting to personal insults as some seem to have done before on other threads
disagree entirely
two injuries dont mean two comparable injuries
i think most people have twisted their ankle in rehearsal 1000 times and lai[down]la is just making an embarrassing big fuss about it and its cringe-worthy. 90 secs of soreness? 'you bloomin wimp' i say!

whereas jade actually nearly destroyed her OLYMPIC LEVELS SPORTS career (imagine the years of relentless training she has done thus far in her life - have you seen her physique - that takes dedication beyond your wildest dreams) and to risk dancing could mean permanent ie never compete again damage.

Spot any tiny possible difference?
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Old 20-11-2009, 13:24
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It's horrible that both have sustained injuries and I hope that Jade comes back this week.

I do think though, that seeing as Jade will be able to perform her Tango on Saturday if she's fit enough, Laila should have also been given the opportunity to do her Rumba again.

EDIT re Anton and Laila rehearsing picking her up or whatever...

She said on ITT that she hadn't been able to finish the routine in rehearsal. If I was either of them and this had happened, I would have organised to do something like that just in case rather than just stop and stagger about!

Seems quite logical to me.
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Old 20-11-2009, 13:30
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It's horrible that both have sustained injuries and I hope that Jade comes back this week.

I do think though, that seeing as Jade will be able to perform her Tango on Saturday if she's fit enough, Laila should have also been given the opportunity to do her Rumba again.
Sorry but why would Laila want to perform a rumba when she can perform a waltz which will be much more up her street and Anton's too
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Old 20-11-2009, 13:33
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Sorry but why would Laila want to perform a rumba when she can perform a waltz which will be much more up her street and Anton's too
I was saying that becuase she has obviously practised that routine more and knows the routine! I would rather perform a routine i know and am familiar with-even if it isn't my speciality-rather than one I've only practised for an hour!
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Old 20-11-2009, 13:35
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I was saying that becuase she has obviously practised that routine more and knows the routine! I would rather perform a routine i know and am familiar with-even if it isn't my speciality-rather than one I've only practised for an hour!
I know where you are coming from but I can't think that they would think that as they clearly didn't like the rumba training much and have zilch chemistry- IMO!!!

Anyway, we shall maybe learn more tonight on ITT- haven't seen it all week so not sure what the status for everyone is.
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Old 20-11-2009, 17:01
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According to ms Claudia on ITT for anyone who missed her explanation about the rules, each contestant is allowed one free-pass show in case of injury and only one.
Jade was forced to use that. Laila was given the free choice to use it and she didnt. Simples.
Thats not the way I interpreted what she said or what Laila has implied.I understood that the Doctor said that her dancing would not do any further damage and therefore cause he/she said that she either danced or she was out
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Old 20-11-2009, 17:22
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According to ms Claudia on ITT for anyone who missed her explanation about the rules, each contestant is allowed one free-pass show in case of injury and only one.
Jade was forced to use that. Laila was given the free choice to use it and she didnt. Simples.
My understanding from Claudia's explanation on Monday was that you only get a bye if the doctor says you cannot dance without risking further immediate damage to the injury, as in Jade's case. If the doctor doesn't think you risk worsening the injury then the choice over whether to dance or not is the celeb's, but there is no bye if you choose not to. Laila chose to dance to stay in the competition. Only one week's bye applies when you have a bye due to doctor's advice so Jade will be out if she is unable to dance tomorrow.
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Old 20-11-2009, 17:28
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Thats not the way I interpreted what she said or what Laila has implied.I understood that the Doctor said that her dancing would not do any further damage and therefore cause he/she said that she either danced or she was out
That`s not what was said either - she had the choice and decided to try and brave it out.
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Old 20-11-2009, 17:33
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My understanding from Claudia's explanation on Monday was that you only get a bye if the doctor says you cannot dance without risking further immediate damage to the injury, as in Jade's case. If the doctor doesn't think you risk worsening the injury then the choice over whether to dance or not is the celeb's, but there is no bye if you choose not to. Laila chose to dance to stay in the competition. Only one week's bye applies when you have a bye due to doctor's advice so Jade will be out if she is unable to dance tomorrow.
There`s a difference doing a dance that will worsen the injury as opposed to doing a dance that will cause pain.

No where has it be said - you dance or you`re out
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Old 20-11-2009, 17:38
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There`s a difference doing a dance that will worsen the injury as opposed to doing a dance that will cause pain.

No where has it be said - you dance or you`re out
Sorry Tissy, I thought from Claudia's explanation on Monday that if the medical advice was that it was safe for you to dance (as in Laila's case) you did not get the week's bye, so if you choose not to dance in those circumstances you would be withdrawing from the competition? Maybe I misunderstood?

Laila seemed to say she knew she would be in pain (but not make the injury worse) but wanted to dance despite this because people had spent money voting for them, and didn't want that to be wasted, so I thought she was in effect saying the same thing?
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Old 20-11-2009, 17:43
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I was also under the impression that Laila could have had the bye had she decided not to dance - but I don't think it was explained too clearly, so I could well be wrong.
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Old 20-11-2009, 17:44
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Sorry Tissy, I thought from Claudia's explanation on Monday that if the medical advice was that it was safe for you to dance (as in Laila's case) you did not get the week's bye, so if you choose not to dance in those circumstances you would be withdrawing from the competition? Maybe I misunderstood?
That's the way I interpreted it too, maybe I was being dense as well...nah!! Not possible
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Old 20-11-2009, 17:51
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Sorry Tissy, I thought from Claudia's explanation on Monday that if the medical advice was that it was safe for you to dance (as in Laila's case) you did not get the week's bye, so if you choose not to dance in those circumstances you would be withdrawing from the competition? Maybe I misunderstood?

Laila seemed to say she knew she would be in pain (but not make the injury worse) but wanted to dance despite this because people had spent money voting for them, and didn't want that to be wasted, so I thought she was in effect saying the same thing?
It certainly wasnt made clear and people do interpret it differently The fact is though no-one on the show has mentioned or hinted dance or you`re out.

I took her saying she didn`t want to let her fans down by missing watching her do the rumba as they support and vote for her every week.

Perhaps at one stage the Beeb will confirm either way
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Old 20-11-2009, 18:22
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It certainly wasnt made clear and people do interpret it differently The fact is though no-one on the show has mentioned or hinted dance or you`re out.

I took her saying she didn`t want to let her fans down by missing watching her do the rumba as they support and vote for her every week.
Perhaps at one stage the Beeb will confirm either way
To be honest I took that to mean that by not dancing she was out and that would be letting her fans own.To be honest CW explanation in IT2 was not that clear
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Old 20-11-2009, 19:44
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Jade is employed by the BBC to take part in SCD. If she was told by the doctors that she was not fit to dance and the BBC had let her go ahead, that would be against Health & Safety rules and also invalidated their insurance. In the same way as any of us are not allowed to work if we've been signed off by a doctor.

Sorry to bring the discussion down to this level
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Old 20-11-2009, 19:51
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Jade is employed by the BBC to take part in SCD. If she was told by the doctors that she was not fit to dance and the BBC had let her go ahead, that would be against Health & Safety rules and also invalidated their insurance. In the same way as any of us are not allowed to work if we've been signed off by a doctor.

Sorry to bring the discussion down to this level
Dont be sorry, that's a really valid point and Im kicking myself for not thinking of it earlier!
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Old 20-11-2009, 20:04
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Dont be sorry, that's a really valid point and Im kicking myself for not thinking of it earlier!
Hey, after your bloody brilliant post earlier in the thread, you have absolutely no reason to kick yourself!

I still think that, quite often, H&S rules can be stupid

Not in this case though!

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Old 20-11-2009, 20:06
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ex athlete says..... NO!

BUT... being a totally cynical perkin... is the Beeb Physio waiting until the very last moment to pull in the viewers?
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