Right. And I suppose that you know that Jade's injury and your injury were the same? And you had the same physio as Jade?

Let's bear in mind that we don't even know if Jade will be able to dance yet. Even if she can she might limp all the way through it.

I don't think Laila got a raw deal at all. She went to the hospital, had x rays, and was told she risked no further injury to herself if she danced - but it would be painful. She then MADE THE DECISION to dance anyway.

On the other hand Jade was injured closer to show time and could not be taken to hospital for diagnosis. The on-site medical staff did preliminary examinations and determined that should she dance, she risked causing further damage to her knee (and it's also worth remembering at this point that a severe knee injury could end Jade's career). She was not given the option. Later, an MRI scan confirmed that she had a grade two tear of the medial collateral ligament. Her physio thought that she would be able to go again after five day's rest - which would make it tomorrow.

I seriously don't understand how Laila got a bad deal here. Nor do I understand why anecdotal evidence of what could be a completely different injury is meant to convince me otherwise.

There is a very simple solution to this.

IF Jade comes back (and I dont think thats by any means a certainty) and you are not happy that she got a bye last week then DONT VOTE FOR HER.

If you think Laila got a rough deal then VOTE FOR HER Its a simple as that.

Blimey... that must be the smoothest "rough deal" I've ever seen!

Also it now turns out Anton picking her up was actually rehearsed & not spontaneous as most people (including romantic old me thought Ah well...

TBH it's a bit like trying to have a conversation with a group of adults, then a 5 year old barges in yelling "look at me, look at me".

Then shouts "Bottom!" just to try and get a reaction.


Sweet at first but rapidly becomes tiresome.

Midflight- I have been out of the loop this week- is that true about Anton and Laila and it all being prearranged?? Yes it was the easiest rough beal ever and I am sure that the waltz will be perfect for them this week!

Mimi- just spat my coffee over the keyboard- thanks!! Sums up most people's thoughts I think!

Thank you for brightening up a very wet morning , made me laugh out loud . And so very true .

You're on form this morning!

disagree entirely
two injuries dont mean two comparable injuries
i think most people have twisted their ankle in rehearsal 1000 times and lai[down]la is just making an embarrassing big fuss about it and its cringe-worthy. 90 secs of soreness? 'you bloomin wimp' i say!

whereas jade actually nearly destroyed her OLYMPIC LEVELS SPORTS career (imagine the years of relentless training she has done thus far in her life - have you seen her physique - that takes dedication beyond your wildest dreams) and to risk dancing could mean permanent ie never compete again damage.

Spot any tiny possible difference?

It's horrible that both have sustained injuries and I hope that Jade comes back this week.

I do think though, that seeing as Jade will be able to perform her Tango on Saturday if she's fit enough, Laila should have also been given the opportunity to do her Rumba again.

EDIT re Anton and Laila rehearsing picking her up or whatever...

She said on ITT that she hadn't been able to finish the routine in rehearsal. If I was either of them and this had happened, I would have organised to do something like that just in case rather than just stop and stagger about!

Seems quite logical to me.

Sorry but why would Laila want to perform a rumba when she can perform a waltz which will be much more up her street and Anton's too

I was saying that becuase she has obviously practised that routine more and knows the routine! I would rather perform a routine i know and am familiar with-even if it isn't my speciality-rather than one I've only practised for an hour!

I know where you are coming from but I can't think that they would think that as they clearly didn't like the rumba training much and have zilch chemistry- IMO!!!

Anyway, we shall maybe learn more tonight on ITT- haven't seen it all week so not sure what the status for everyone is.

Thats not the way I interpreted what she said or what Laila has implied.I understood that the Doctor said that her dancing would not do any further damage and therefore cause he/she said that she either danced or she was out

My understanding from Claudia's explanation on Monday was that you only get a bye if the doctor says you cannot dance without risking further immediate damage to the injury, as in Jade's case. If the doctor doesn't think you risk worsening the injury then the choice over whether to dance or not is the celeb's, but there is no bye if you choose not to. Laila chose to dance to stay in the competition. Only one week's bye applies when you have a bye due to doctor's advice so Jade will be out if she is unable to dance tomorrow.

That`s not what was said either - she had the choice and decided to try and brave it out.

There`s a difference doing a dance that will worsen the injury as opposed to doing a dance that will cause pain.

No where has it be said - you dance or you`re out

Sorry Tissy, I thought from Claudia's explanation on Monday that if the medical advice was that it was safe for you to dance (as in Laila's case) you did not get the week's bye, so if you choose not to dance in those circumstances you would be withdrawing from the competition? Maybe I misunderstood?

Laila seemed to say she knew she would be in pain (but not make the injury worse) but wanted to dance despite this because people had spent money voting for them, and didn't want that to be wasted, so I thought she was in effect saying the same thing?

I was also under the impression that Laila could have had the bye had she decided not to dance - but I don't think it was explained too clearly, so I could well be wrong.

That's the way I interpreted it too, maybe I was being dense as well...nah!! Not possible

It certainly wasnt made clear and people do interpret it differently The fact is though no-one on the show has mentioned or hinted dance or you`re out.

I took her saying she didn`t want to let her fans down by missing watching her do the rumba as they support and vote for her every week.

Perhaps at one stage the Beeb will confirm either way

To be honest I took that to mean that by not dancing she was out and that would be letting her fans own.To be honest CW explanation in IT2 was not that clear

Jade is employed by the BBC to take part in SCD. If she was told by the doctors that she was not fit to dance and the BBC had let her go ahead, that would be against Health & Safety rules and also invalidated their insurance. In the same way as any of us are not allowed to work if we've been signed off by a doctor.

Sorry to bring the discussion down to this level

Dont be sorry, that's a really valid point and Im kicking myself for not thinking of it earlier!

Hey, after your bloody brilliant post earlier in the thread, you have absolutely no reason to kick yourself!

I still think that, quite often, H&S rules can be stupid

Not in this case though!
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ex athlete says..... NO!

BUT... being a totally cynical perkin... is the Beeb Physio waiting until the very last moment to pull in the viewers?