Classic. Nick Freeman would be proud.


We're nearing the end of her second series, and that's pretty much the only valid criticism I can ever recall her giving to anyone. So no, she shouldn't be knocked for it. She should be knocked for the stream of meaningless tripe she's spouted week after week to everyone else instead.

An opinion would be a good place to start.

I don't recall her making any such comments to either Joe or Stacey.

If that were the case then she wouldn't have recorded a solo album. Being the fourth best singer in a group that can't cut it live suggests she has no qualms about sitting back and counting the cash she's banked in return for her substandard offerings.

It wasn't so much that she said he was flat (although pot and kettle did come to mind), but I thought I thought she said it in quite a harsh way. More of an accusation than a comment.

I can't work out how Cheryl can sit there and keep a straight face, as many say the pop calling the kettle black! perhaps it shows how much she has up top, and like the other judges she has to say something!

Well, if tuning this week is a criterion for elimination, we'd be looking at a bottom four, at the least.

The point though, is that tuning is not a matter of opinion, which you as a musician understand. It is measurable. And Danyl was indeed out of tune.

Yes it's slightly hilarious coming from her as a fellow singer, but as a listener, who like almost everyone else in Britain would be familiar with the song, she was right. He was completely flat in the opening verse. I cringed and thought it would be a squandering of one of the most-loved songs of the past 25 years, and out of it the voters would not be forgiving him his musical sacrilege.

Then he took out his in-ear monitor and managed to sing the rest extremely well, if a little 'Mr Angry' for my tastes. As a George Michael fan I found it an intriguing version, the only thing I felt short-changed by was I wanted to hear him use his falsetto, as George does in the crescendo of that song.

So, what exactly do people want Cheryl to say?

Say that every performance was absolutely brilliant because in the past she hasn't sung brilliantly?

What about Dannii? Are people suggesting she has never sung a flat note? She may be an ok singer but she is not as good as some of the past winners - Alex, Leona, etc. Should she have to walk out or not comment on finalists who sing better than her?

What about Louis and Simon? Neither of them can sing? Surely that proves that you don't need to be able to sing to judge someones singing, yes?

And finally, what about this thread?

You're saying Cheryl's being hypocritical, when you're doing the EXACT SAME THING! You're saying she is singing flat, when I expect you and the majority of the others agreeing with you cannot sing at all!

Well, I liked Danyl's performance, and I am NOT a musician, nor from the sounds of it would I want to be - it all seems FAR too complicated and on top of that they always seem to be picking out the bum notes/flat notes et al and picking all the performances to pieces. No fun there for me, If I felt the need to do that, I probably wouldnt watch these types of shows but thats just me.

I don't think based on my admittedly basic knowledge, that Danyl was necessarily in tune during CW. But I was drawn into the performance, and didnt really notice. Whilst I can easily hear that Joe is pretty much note perfect, until last night he had never really moved me. THATS what I love about music - if you are listening purely for pleasure, it can be completely subjective.

As for Cheryl and her comments on Danyl being flat. It wasnt so much what she said but the way she said it. It may be just me, but she did appear to have a slightly spiteful glint in her eye the way she does sometimes. And she did not bother pulling anyone else up on their bum notes did she? So a little biased against Danyl in my opinion.

The musicians amongst you - I assume you will agree that Danyl was in no way the ONLY one who had tuning issues? If so, then all should be called on it by the judges.

So in that way, Cheryl was wrong. Technically, I guess she was right.

I'm confused. Didn't all the girls sing live every single week during Popstars The Rivals????

I don't think he was in key all the time. If you listen again you will understand what I mean. His performance was emotional which is good.

Oh and I am supporting Danyl this weekend.

Quite. Girls aloud perform live most of th time. Sure, there are times when they mime, but the vast majority of acts do - even both Leona and Alex have mimed, Alex mimed on her X Factor performance!

And as I've posted in previous threads, Cheryl CAN sing. To quote The Telegraph's review:

Why are people always attacking Cheryl's ability to judge contestants because she's not a great singer herself? It's pathetic. And pointless. Simon openly admits he can't sing, yet no one has attacked his ability to judge contestants (excluding recently).

I have no doubt that 95% of the people on here attacking Lloyd's singing can't hold a tune themselves, but somehow believe that they are more qualified to judge these people, than someone who has actually won a show like this before, and obviously has some kind of singing ability, no matter how crap it is.

However if you want to see a REALLY bum note, you should watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_L3ZsR05bk

I enjoyed his song but he was so flat at the start, as he has been with a lot of his songs, anyone with any musical knowledge knows that, its not an opinion its a fact, you cant have a differing opinion on how a note should sound, on the same "note" cheryl sounds very flat too in a lot of her singing, where she excels is in her harmony with other singers be it girls aloud or her performance with snow patrol the other night

Danyl did sing flat on numerous notes and his interpretation of the song seemed to miss some of the tougher notes too as he "made the song his own".

Its fairly obvious that whenever people are criticised by Cheryl for their vocal that viewers are going to have a dig at her. It possibly escapes most of those people's attention that she herself was one of the winners in a talent contest on TV where she had to sing live individually to an audience of millions each week to earn a place in Girls Aloud.

She was never the strongest singer on that show but always sang reasonably well and absolutely looked like the sort of pop star that the public would love - Louis Walsh got something right in picking her for his category back then.

But to say that Cheryl can't sing is wrong, it would be like saying Danyl can't sing. Both CAN sing but both have tuning issues from time to time. Its not the end of the world.

Cheryl is not a great singer, but has a good alto tone, and is perfectly able to sing in tune when standing still, as witnessed when she sang live on CIN with snow patrol.
She does, however, have some personal agenda when it comes to Danyl - she obviously has a hate on for him, and abuses her position as a judge by the condescending and spiteful tone she adopts with him. it's embarrassing to watch, as if he spurned her or something.

You hater you!

Yes, I agree with you. He was flat at the beginning, and I thought he was also a bit off on the second of the big notes, but he was mostly in tune for the rest of the song. It was also quite a difficult song to sing, particularly with such minimal accompaniment. He seems to take quite a few risks as a singer, and sometimes perhaps sacrifices control for passion, but personally I'd rather see a performance like that than a robotic, completely in tune one. Most (if not all) singers and bands I've seen live aren't note perfect either.

As far as Cheryl's comments about Danyl being flat, she was probably told to be critical (the judges seemed to take it in turns being critical of different performers last night). She wasn't wrong, but it does sound a bit odd for Danyl to be pulled up on that when every other performer bar Joe had tuning issues at least as bad as his last night.

The problem is that I cannot bear to look at him when he opens his mouth so wide. It is not a nice look!

Thats the point I was making really. It was out of spite Cheryl said that, as she rarely comments on tuning...Danni and Simon often do, and she failed to notice Lloyd and Olly were hopelessly out of tune at times during their performances.

Totally agree...while Diva Danyl seems to be causing trouble all around him... there quietly in the background Joe comes out every week and just performs to perfection. He was amazing last night and it was, if anyone noticed...Cowell on his feet first for Joe with an ovation.

It was not only totally deserved but one in the eye for Danyl, for whom his arse remained glued to his seat when his performance was over. I have never understood why Danyl is rated so highly....every song is delivered the same, with the screaming open mouth finale. Sick of him. Joe or Stacey ( who is marvellous too) for the win. Either of them would be a good result.

He was definitely flat at the start but the rest of the song moved me. Joe may be completely note perfect but I can't bring myself to care (that's not a diss; I've just always preferred emotionally strong performances to technically strong ones).

I don't mind her saying her was flat but if you'd pared back the other performances of the night with the exception of Joe's - no dancers or major backing vocals - the rest would have sounded like a fire in a pet shop. Context is everything, and it would have been fairer of her to put her remark in context.

Touché but Cheryl isn't being judged, Danyl is. Cheryl isnt the worlds greatest singer but very popular.
Danyl was too shouty on his performance IMO.

Referring to Simon:


Wrong. He gave Danyl a standing ovation too. Take another look.

Danyl's performance WAS flat at the beginning and a little bit in the middle. Cheryl is paid to judge and give constructive critisism and that's what she did.

Well, I'd like the same level of honesty and *constructive* criticism from Cheryl that Danni is able to give week after week. That would do, for a start.

For me - and I am admittedly a pretty much die-hard Danyl fan - Danyl's performance last night had a *couple* of pitchy moments. The rest of it sounded in tune to me, and I have perfect pitch.

What it did sound like though was rather shouty and I think he was trying way too hard last night.

What irritated me though was Cheryl saying that his performance was flat when all he had were a couple of wobbly notes, yet not mentioning anything about Lloyd's tuning and (for me one of the worst performances of the night) Olly's pretty atrocious tuning throughout his performance.